thermal scopes

LarryB, for what you want to do, a pulsar trail or apex xq38 will work great. This thread got way sidetracked. The main thing you need to look for is base mag, objective lens, and FOV when comparing different products. For shots less than a 100 yards FOV is very important and you don't need a scope that can identify something at 1000 yards then. And a great scope for long range ID and shooting is probably not going to be the best choice for shots less than 100 yards.
 
Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: Cowboy43Originally Posted By: DoubleUpSome hunters feel they can justify the high cost of the Trijicons, others have enough wealth that they don't need to justify it, some others can use it as a business expense, and others just don't see their way clear to spend that kind of money. It's all good!

I'm glad there are people who can afford the high end and maybe even highest end equipment because it will eventually filter down to a price that more people can reasonably afford.

For me, I'm not going to shoot much past 300 yds. at night. I can do that with the Pulsar XQ50. Would it be nice to have a perfect image, whatever perfect is? Why sure, but the image I have now allows me to do all that I need at the distance I will shoot, and get a good enough recording of it that I can enjoy seeing what happened.

The original question was for something in the $3,000 to $3,500 range, and that can be done with the Pulsar Apex or Trail XQ line. i agree to some extent. But when a $1900 ATN Thor HD puts out better video quality than a $10,000 unit. Its just hard to really call a Trijicon a Superior unit.
I guess I can say this. The trijicon has a better core image while looking thru it than most others. But in other areas such as video and other items, it falls way behind. When you spend $10,000 and you still have to do this to get an acceptable video to promote yourself. I just find it funny. I mean who wants to spend that much money and have to aim by viewing thru your phone with a stock pack attached to the gun with wires running everywhere. Lol, not me!!!
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75 Coyotes in a month using that set up... I could tell you the perks, but that's classified. LOL.
 
Originally Posted By: skinneyOriginally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: Cowboy43Originally Posted By: DoubleUpSome hunters feel they can justify the high cost of the Trijicons, others have enough wealth that they don't need to justify it, some others can use it as a business expense, and others just don't see their way clear to spend that kind of money. It's all good!

I'm glad there are people who can afford the high end and maybe even highest end equipment because it will eventually filter down to a price that more people can reasonably afford.

For me, I'm not going to shoot much past 300 yds. at night. I can do that with the Pulsar XQ50. Would it be nice to have a perfect image, whatever perfect is? Why sure, but the image I have now allows me to do all that I need at the distance I will shoot, and get a good enough recording of it that I can enjoy seeing what happened.

The original question was for something in the $3,000 to $3,500 range, and that can be done with the Pulsar Apex or Trail XQ line. i agree to some extent. But when a $1900 ATN Thor HD puts out better video quality than a $10,000 unit. Its just hard to really call a Trijicon a Superior unit.
I guess I can say this. The trijicon has a better core image while looking thru it than most others. But in other areas such as video and other items, it falls way behind. When you spend $10,000 and you still have to do this to get an acceptable video to promote yourself. I just find it funny. I mean who wants to spend that much money and have to aim by viewing thru your phone with a stock pack attached to the gun with wires running everywhere. Lol, not me!!!
30u8spx.jpg



75 Coyotes in a month using that set up... I could tell you the perks, but that's classified. LOL. i highly doubt your doing anything that hasnt already been done. Ive killed that many out of a helicopter in a few days. So nothing new on the numbers
 
I'm thinking maybe the trail xq38, I believe it has most of the features I'm looking for, on board recording, rechargeable battery pack. It would be an improvement on my current Thor scope. Long range shots are out of the question, not that I couldn't make them, its just in middle Georgia you don't get those long range shots, and I prefer not to shoot beyond 125-150 yds. at night just for the safety factor. I know all scope no matter what brand have problems at some time are another, that's why CS after the sale is high on my list. I appreciate all the feedback from everyone. I must say there is a wealth of knowledge on this site and you've helped guide me in the direction I need to go, thanks again everyone....
 
if pulsar comes out with something like the XP50 with a 8 micron core and laser range finder and possibly 75mm (lets call it xp75lrf) with a natural magnification of say 2.5x, then I would have to upgrade my current XP50.
 
Originally Posted By: BleedsBlueif pulsar comes out with something like the XP50 with a 8 micron core and laser range finder and possibly 75mm (lets call it xp75lrf) with a natural magnification of say 2.5x, then I would have to upgrade my current XP50. that would be nice. I personally shot alot on 3 power. Seems to just fit me nicely. I wish for a Trijicon 60mm with 3x rather than the 4.5x. 4.5 is just a tad bit too strong for the type of hunting i do and terrain i hunt.
 
I take most shots at 2x digital magnification which is 3.2x. the next step is 6.4x and the picture starts to become pixelated. it would be nice to make a more positive ID like a mkIII 60mm is able to at longer distances. enabling better marksmanship.

if it had a native magnification of 2.5x the first step digitally would be 5x and if it had a 8 micron core the next step at 10x would still be clear.
 
I think the only thing you gain from a lower micron core is the actual size of the unit can be smaller and do the same job as a larger model. Resolution and the manufacturer of the core is what really makes the image quality.
 
Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: skinneyOriginally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: Cowboy43Originally Posted By: DoubleUpSome hunters feel they can justify the high cost of the Trijicons, others have enough wealth that they don't need to justify it, some others can use it as a business expense, and others just don't see their way clear to spend that kind of money. It's all good!

I'm glad there are people who can afford the high end and maybe even highest end equipment because it will eventually filter down to a price that more people can reasonably afford.

For me, I'm not going to shoot much past 300 yds. at night. I can do that with the Pulsar XQ50. Would it be nice to have a perfect image, whatever perfect is? Why sure, but the image I have now allows me to do all that I need at the distance I will shoot, and get a good enough recording of it that I can enjoy seeing what happened.

The original question was for something in the $3,000 to $3,500 range, and that can be done with the Pulsar Apex or Trail XQ line. i agree to some extent. But when a $1900 ATN Thor HD puts out better video quality than a $10,000 unit. Its just hard to really call a Trijicon a Superior unit.
I guess I can say this. The trijicon has a better core image while looking thru it than most others. But in other areas such as video and other items, it falls way behind. When you spend $10,000 and you still have to do this to get an acceptable video to promote yourself. I just find it funny. I mean who wants to spend that much money and have to aim by viewing thru your phone with a stock pack attached to the gun with wires running everywhere. Lol, not me!!!
30u8spx.jpg



75 Coyotes in a month using that set up... I could tell you the perks, but that's classified. LOL. i highly doubt your doing anything that hasnt already been done. Ive killed that many out of a helicopter in a few days. So nothing new on the numbers


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After reading this thread, all I really learned is which sponsor I will NOT be purchasing from in the future. Way to represent your business in a professional manner.
 
I love my Pulsar Trail XP50. Got off to a rough start with the whole POA/POI shift deal but they made it right fairly quick and for the last year, zero issues.

I'm pleased to the point I plan on getting a second one after summer 2019.
 
What needs to be kept in mind is these units even though may be exactly the same model can still have significant differences in performance due to variations of the internals. This may be why there is so much disagreement as to comparison between perceptions of performance . Tirjicon better than pulsar, then pulsar better than atn.Then pulsar worse than trijicon. Also there are numerous setting on most of these units that include brightness,contrast,focus,enhanced target recognition and some others. These have to be fine tuned to match conditions. So sometimes individual observations dont really reflect best performance. A very good thermal not set correctly can be worse than a very poor thermal set optimally. So don’t get all hung up on any individual evaluation.
 
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