Thoughts on a 6x250 Imp?

Originally Posted By: pahntr760Originally Posted By: RePeteNot to hi-jack but isn't the 6X250 getting pretty close to the old "obsolete" 250 Savage the 22/250's based on.....

Not that I give a chit but it kinda strikes me funny that first they neck the 250 Savage down to 22/250 and now we neck the 22/250 back up to 243/6MM....

Seems like in the never ending quest for something "new and improved" we've gone full circle.....

And yea....I know....it's AI'd but you can do that to any case.....

Kinda like people making 22-204's...
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Full circle.


Yea.....you'd think Remington would have thought of making a magnum version of the 222Rem........oh wait......never mind.....
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Originally Posted By: pyscodogWas hoping ou would come along and give your thoughts Keith. I just think it would be a good upgrade to the soon to be shot out 22-250AI barrel thats on the rifle now. Can I just neck up the 22-250AI brass to 6-250AI or would I have to start from scratch and fireform new brass?


Yes, I just used a Redding long tapered expander to neck up the 22/250 brass. I put a very HEAVY taper on the inside of the case mouth, lube the inside of the neck with a Q tip and Imperial sizing wax or Lee sizing wax(better).

I also shot the barrel out of two 6/250's, and the AI version seems to be less finicky on loads + more velocity. The 6/250 AI is really 90% or more of what a 243 AI is in a smaller package and is every bit the equal the std 243 with a tad bit less powder.

It seems that new ideas are really old ideas on the 6-6x47 Lapua. If you compare the 6-6.5x47 Lapua to the 6/250 there is only a tad bit of difference. Fads come and go, the 6/250 is really a good case as is the 6x6.5x47 Lapua.

In the late 90's, there were some guys shooting high power matches with the 6/250 and they did very well, I have the article in Precision Shooting magazine tucked away somewhere.

If a few people shooting competition start shooting the 6/250 AI, it will catch on like wild fire. Many are scared of the 40* shoulder but it sure stops brass flow better than a 30* shoulder angle while giving more case capacity.

There are guys now necking up the 6.5x47 Lapua now to 7mm and shooting extremely well with it. Boggles the mind why they do not AI the case and get a few more grains of powder in it.

New powders available today(at least prior to the election) can make the 6/250 AI into a real power house, R#17 for starters.


I am sure that many are wondering why go to a 6/250 AI. Well, for many advanced reloaders and varminters, they look for the ultimate out of a case. The ability to use Lapua brass that is really tough and uniform is a real plus, and Lapua brass is well worth every penny. Also, the 22/250 case is shorter than a Creed case, which would give you more room in the mag box to chase the lands as the leade grows. Very often there are several velocity(pressure) nodes with a given cartridge. Some nodes will be lower pressure, while in a some instances, the best accuracy node may be at a point where the pressure is so high that the pockets start to open up a tad or will need full length sizing after every firing. This top end accuracy node is where the Lapua brass is a real plus where the brass is very tough and will take the pressure.

"Wildcatting" is a hobby within the shooting/reloading hobby. For some, wildcatting makes no sense at all for all of the trouble, and this is understandable.

By the way, I have never trimmed the following cases: 223 AI, 22/250 AI, 6/250 AI, 243 AI, or 6 Rem AI....NEVER!

Redding does make the dies for the 6/250 AI, so does C&H which makes one whale of a die.

 
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Virtually no performance difference between a 6x250AI and the 6mm Creedmoor. 6Creed reamers, brass and dies are readily available, and the 6Creed feeds better.

WRT to the Lapua brass issue, Lapua makes brass for the 6.5 Creedmoor, just run it through a 6mm Creedmoor sizing die and it's done. And, the 6Creed case is only .008" longer than the 22-250; trim it to what you like. But actually, the *longer* Creedmoor case would be a benefit to chasing leades, not the shorter one.
 
Originally Posted By: Buster HindendWhen did Lapua start making brass for the 6.5 Crredmore??

Hmmmm....
That's news to me.
 
1st pitch, you made a very good argument to the 6 Creed, and as you mentioned, the issue of dies is huge.

Georgia Arms is having some great success with the 6 Creed with 105's and .189 freebore.

The 22/250 AI, 6/250 AI, 6 Rem AI feed flawlessly through Remington internal magazine boxes and the 40* shoulder angle impedes the flow of brass better than the 30*, if doughnuts would be an issue.

I am not sure that the doughnut issue along with the expense on custom dies would be worth the additional expense of the 6/250 AI, but the AI would hold a few more grains of powder...you know how some people do back flips to get that kind of advantage.

The 6 creed is a no brainer, dumb butt simple, and thanks for pointing this out.
 
Originally Posted By: coyotezapperQuestion. Which of the three - 6CM, 6x47L and 6/250AI have the longer neck? I would go with the longest neck of the three.

The Lapua does. And I feel the brass is better from Lapua than the Hornady stamped Creedmoor. I would still consider any of the 3 as 22-250 brass could be used for either the 6 Creedmoor or 6/22-250 AI.
 
Originally Posted By: 1stpitchSorry, it's Norma that makes 6.5 Creedmoor brass, not Lapua. Still good brass. Nosler makes it as well.

Someone was just telling me that Lapua supposedly announced at SHOT that they were going to start making 6.5 Creedmoor brass, anyone else hear that?
 
Originally Posted By: FairChase93Originally Posted By: 1stpitchSorry, it's Norma that makes 6.5 Creedmoor brass, not Lapua. Still good brass. Nosler makes it as well.

Someone was just telling me that Lapua supposedly announced at SHOT that they were going to start making 6.5 Creedmoor brass, anyone else hear that?

Have not heard that.
 
Originally Posted By: pahntr760Originally Posted By: FairChase93Originally Posted By: 1stpitchSorry, it's Norma that makes 6.5 Creedmoor brass, not Lapua. Still good brass. Nosler makes it as well.

Someone was just telling me that Lapua supposedly announced at SHOT that they were going to start making 6.5 Creedmoor brass, anyone else hear that?

Have not heard that.



First time I'd heard it and SHOT was long enough ago if it were true you'd think more people would be talking about it.
 
Originally Posted By: pahntr760Plus it would be like outfitting your enemy, right?

If I had a Creedmoor, it would be eating Lapua 22-250 cases.

True enough. I should be using 22-250 Lapua cases, I've just got this mental block about the brass prep and fireforming even though it's minimal. I think the same thing every time I psych myself up for some new wild cat, my business takes up so much of my time anymore simple is good.


Even though now this post has me thinking again.....
 
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