Too many greyhounds

A very dear old friend used to run greyhounds, back when there weren't too many fences and he was the only one that hunted and knew his neighbors well. He paid off his farm with the money he made from fox fur, no coyotes there at the time. When I met him he was well past his prime and his dogs were pretty much couch potatoes but he'd take them out once in awhile and let them hunt. He said there was much more fun than to watch his old dogs try and gum a fox to death they succeded.

Coon hunters in the 70's were pretty bad where my place was at, coon were worth a lot of money then and groups of hunters from Iowa would invade our part of MN and had absolutely no respect for private property, when confronted about not seeing the signs the comment was "The dogs can't read". The neighbor got together with the Sherriff and put an end to it but it left a bad taste in your mouth about hound hunters.

My wife's Ex-racer(rescue) never hunted in his life, had no use for coyotes even the silhouettes made him cranky.

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Originally Posted By: jcs271There used to be quite a few guys posting about their greyhound and stag hound adventures here on the hound forum and EVERY one of them let the dogs kill the coyote. Here is a link with photos that took me about 10 seconds to find.........

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2765758#Post2765758

I missed this post when it was first posted, I like it. I created a greyhound post and it drew similar debate as this one.

One time we bayed a coyote under a truck. Unless there are young ones on the turnout, the hounds kill them fast;



The black hound with the green collar delivered the lethal bites quickly, crushing the sternum, heart and lungs. You can see how fast the coyotes legs went limp, spine shots and runners suffer longer. I think it's all relative to ones perceptions of what is acceptable.
 
I know guys that did the sight hound thing in MN for years. A kill dog would quickly mop up the chase. I still see dog runners now and then and hold no ill will toward them as long as they play nice. Heck, maybe they think it’s an unfair advantage to fool a coyote with a call? I’m not gonna judge a whole group for the dumb azz action of a few.
 
Went out this weekend for a morning at the races . Wow ! Gets the heart pumping every time and does a great job of concentrating the coyotes into the brushy country and draws when calling. Win win !!
 
Originally Posted By: songdogso tell me what guys that call coyotes do with the coyotes they kill, when the coyote has no value?

Do you suppose some of them leave em lay too? What do you do with yours? Hang em on a fence proudly?

I'll bet a dollar the grey hound hunters get as close as they can as quick as they can before releasing the dogs. That's how it's done. The longer you run em with the truck the more probably that the coyote will elude you or you do damage to the truck. Grey hounds are much faster then a coyote, all a guy has to do is get close enough to give the dogs a good chance of the catch, the coyote don't need to be tired to catch them. Stupid to chase them any more than you need to.

Tell me again, you think the dogs kill them? Tells me you don't no as much as you think you do.

Our dogs kill them. Quickly.
 
I started this thread as just venting a bit of frustration, not to start a big argument. I've been stuck behind a couple trucks full of hounds and watches as they crept along till the dogs started barking then turned them loose and sure enough two fields later they tore it apart. I'm not saying ban it. But to me its not hunting if there is no room for "hunter" failure. IMO it's like paying someone else to go fishing at the hatchery for ya, then bragging about the catch. Maybe some folks shoot them, maybe not. I haven't witnessed that. I just know its frustrating when one element is using calls and hunter skill with a distinct chance of failure and another element let's the dogs do the work with little if any chance of failure. I believe there should be seasons to separate that sort of thing, just like there is for baiting bears.
 
Originally Posted By: NeverStopTryingI started this thread as just venting a bit of frustration, not to start a big argument. I've been stuck behind a couple trucks full of hounds and watches as they crept along till the dogs started barking then turned them loose and sure enough two fields later they tore it apart. I'm not saying ban it. But to me its not hunting if there is no room for "hunter" failure. IMO it's like paying someone else to go fishing at the hatchery for ya, then bragging about the catch. Maybe some folks shoot them, maybe not. I haven't witnessed that. I just know its frustrating when one element is using calls and hunter skill with a distinct chance of failure and another element let's the dogs do the work with little if any chance of failure. I believe there should be seasons to separate that sort of thing, just like there is for baiting bears.

You ever train a hunting dog of any sort? For a hunter with dogs it isn't so much about the kill as it is about their dogs. There is a lot of money, time, sweat, tears and blood that goes into training dogs. There is definitely a strong pride and bond between the hunter and his dogs. Many a hunter will place himself in jeopardy to save a dog and same from the dog. It may not be your cup of tea but unless you know the trials of hunting dogs and that bond you really aren't capable of understanding the why of it all.

 
Originally Posted By: NeverStopTryingI started this thread as just venting a bit of frustration, not to start a big argument. I've been stuck behind a couple trucks full of hounds and watches as they crept along till the dogs started barking then turned them loose and sure enough two fields later they tore it apart. I'm not saying ban it. But to me its not hunting if there is no room for "hunter" failure. IMO it's like paying someone else to go fishing at the hatchery for ya, then bragging about the catch. Maybe some folks shoot them, maybe not. I haven't witnessed that. I just know its frustrating when one element is using calls and hunter skill with a distinct chance of failure and another element let's the dogs do the work with little if any chance of failure. I believe there should be seasons to separate that sort of thing, just like there is for baiting bears.


Should a guy that hunts pheasants with dogs have a separate season? What about a rabbit hunter with beagles vs one without? Let's be honest, that type of hunting is not for you, but the biggest reason you don't like it is because they kill a lot coyotes. I know nothing about using greyhounds, but we do have trailing hounds that hunt them around here. Kinda the same thing, they kill alot. There is more skill involved than you think. It's just a different set of skills. Most farmers that give you and them permission to hunt coyotes want them dead. It sounds like they get the job done.
 
Your so far off the point its absurd. Does your pheasant dog kill the pheasant for you? And yes they kill a lot. Some ranchers hate coyotes because they kill livestock, others love them for killing gophers and prairie dogs. Since you've never witnessed it, YouTube it hero and then tell me about skill. But like I was saying moderation, just like you cant sluice ducks, bait bear all year or rifle hunt elk during the rut in most states because it depletes the resource. To me coyotes are a resource not a scourge to be eradicated. Guess you see it different or you like driving out of state to hunt.
 
Originally Posted By: NeverStopTryingI started this thread as just venting a bit of frustration, not to start a big argument. I've been stuck behind a couple trucks full of hounds and watches as they crept along till the dogs started barking then turned them loose and sure enough two fields later they tore it apart. I'm not saying ban it. But to me its not hunting if there is no room for "hunter" failure. IMO it's like paying someone else to go fishing at the hatchery for ya, then bragging about the catch. Maybe some folks shoot them, maybe not. I haven't witnessed that. I just know its frustrating when one element is using calls and hunter skill with a distinct chance of failure and another element let's the dogs do the work with little if any chance of failure. I believe there should be seasons to separate that sort of thing, just like there is for baiting bears.

How far do you typically drive to your first stand??

I drive 2 hours, if they ran dogs in my country then I would move into areas that they can’t hunt.

Poop happens!
 
Used to drive three hours, now I drive 8 minutes. So, anyways. Not trying to start a fight, dont need anyone trying to convince me I didnt see what I saw or know what I know. The methods used HERE by THESE folks is ruining things for real sportsman that believe in fair chase and its frustrating to me...end of story, y'all have a good night.
 
Everything has been said that needed to be said on my end. I will say this and be done with it. For you guys that run greyhounds....you better start putting people in their place when they're breaking the law,tearing things up and being blatantly disrespectful because they give everyone else a bad name. They're gonna put a stop to that greyhound stuff and that'll be the end of it. The guys like the ones around here that leave dead coyotes to rot in the ditch,run through fences and treat the land and animals they are chasing down with no respect whatsoever are gonna be the end of it all. Because mark my words it only takes a few bad apples. Bad news travels fast. Don't be surprised when it's banned all together because from what I'm seeing it won't be long and the greyhounds will be huntin elsewhere or they'll all be in a kennel and not runnin after anything. People get sick of that crap in a hurry.

Ain't nobody here would defend someone if they posted pictures of dead coyotes they shot during a contest and dropped off on the edge of a main road when they were done. I just hope everyone has enough sense that they wouldn't do that. But it's no different.
 
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Originally Posted By: NeverStopTryingUsed to drive three hours, now I drive 8 minutes. So, anyways. Not trying to start a fight, dont need anyone trying to convince me I didnt see what I saw or know what I know. The methods used HERE by THESE folks is ruining things for real sportsman that believe in fair chase and its frustrating to me...end of story, y'all have a good night.

I am sure the Grey Hound runners feel the same way about you?

Not picking a fight, if I drove 8 minutes to hunt I would be near downtown Denver!

I drive 2 hours to get away from the population and even that far doesn’t help much!

Best of luck to you!
 
Most of the areas I hunt are not suitable areas to hunt with greyhounds. Greyhounds chase by sight, they jump out of an elevated dog box in the bed of a truck into waist high weeds and they will loose line of site. Which also limits the time of year to have productive hunts, to when vegetarian is the least. Around here some of the best places to chase are open wheat fields, late winter and early spring the wheat gets shin high the coyotes will lay down. Consistently spotting coyotes and getting close enough to turn out dogs is not as easy as many think. Riding along with old men who have been chasing them for decades taught me a lot as far as locating coyotes in places I would have previously walked on by, hands down it made me more successful in selecting and setting up my stands.

But this is just my area, where one can drive around a long time and never even see a coyote from a vehicle.
 
I dont even know where to begin with that question. I'll just assume your trying to get me to see things from there perspective, not you actually believing they feel the same way.
 
If guys are doing what you're observing , call the Sheriff. That simple.

You'll never see me or my bunch around Geronimo cutting fence or driving across fields . None of that makes any sense.

Lastly, we killed two coyotes out of five releases. Usually it was because the coyote made it into the cotton, high grass, like Infidel said.

A lot goes into a good coyote dog.
 
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