took my buddy out for the first time...mistake!

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lampy

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So my buddy bought a weatherby vangaurd in .223 and a bushnell 4-12 and wanted me to take him coyote hunting (at night). He "sighted it in at 100 yards and is comfortable out to 250" so he said. So I have him sit at a hay bale and I sit in front of him, with my calls, .223, and light. So I hit my mouth howl to see if there were any close and sure enough two howled back. I bark and howl again and they are closer, so I hit the light and there's eyes bouncin out there around 125 yards. I hit a distress and he stops, I tell my buddy to take the shot and before I could even finish my sentence he shoots, COMPLETELY misses and blames "improper form, poor breathing, and too excited". alright, I understand that, but that's unsafe if youre going to just shoot. So things settle down, I hit the call again and I see one boucing around on a hill and I light him up as well, about 60-70 yards, and he misses again.

so the question is, can you keep calling in the same spot? same call? and ditch my buddy? haha
 
are you sure you weren't lighting up fox eyes?

Seriously, I don't see many bouncing coyote eyes here in Pa.

just wonderin out loud
 
They were definately coyotes. I didn't literally mean bouncing, it was running across the top of a ridge, both of them.
 
Drop your buddy like a Hot Potato!!!

Why would you sit in front of a person with a rifle in the dark of night?


Are you 100% sure it was Coyotes???

Doesn't sound too me like either of you should be out at night hunting!

JMHO
 
So you were spooning?

I would think it would make more sense to sit either next too him or behind him with a higher elevation. That is how i hunt at night when with another person.

And it would be wise to use ome serious hearing protection anytime you are near the end of a barrel.

JMHO
 
listen, I came for advice, not to take [beeep] from everyone. I sure hope not everyone on this website is a wise [beeep]. I know what a [beeep] coyote is and I know how to operate a [beeep] gun, I was in the military and trained others on how to use them. I don't give a rats [beeep] of your honest opinion if you're gonna be a dick
 
Ummmmm Lampy,

I gave you advice!

I shot 4 coyotes Friday night (3 hours) and 1 on Saturday morning. Take it or leave the advice i gave you. Sit either beside your partner or above and behind when shining, keeping the light on at all times moving slowly left to right in a side to side motion, keep the middle of the beam above the head so that you are not burning their eyes out. A lip squeak or a mouse squeaker works wonders at night so when you see the eyes stop calling and start squeaking.
I dont know what kind of light you were using so i cannot tell what distance you were seeing eyes at? I make sure 100% that it is in fact a coyote in the crosshairs when calling at night and i am well aware of what lies behind the eyes if for some reason it is a miss. I use the XLR 250 and the XLR 100 both in red for scanning and i use a Lasergenetics ND3x50 Subzero for shooting and it is mounted on a Remington .243 with a Nikon Coyote special with BDC that i am now looking to replace with something from the Burris Optics line. *******Didnt mean to bust your chops earlier but i would never sit in front of anyone with a rifle at night! Period!!
 
I forgot my hunting spotlight at home, so I just grabbed my 2.5 million candlepower spotlight out of my truck, and it was probably 100-125 yards out, if that. I lit him up with the spotlight, and looked through my spotting scope, and it was clearly a coyote. Sorry about the post, but I simply hate being treated like a little kid, esp on a public site, I'm not stupid, I know how to shoot a gun and what a coyote looks like, but like I said, I was in front of him, yet behind the barrel, so beside him, about at the front of stock. You don't want to catch the glare off of a barrel with the light, that's what I was always taught in shooting school. Thanks for the advice!
 
He is right.... I read the post and most were bashing. It reminds me of some of the car post of young kids acting like they know everything. They dont need to be on here with people who are wanting to learn something.
Mark
 
Lampy,

First of all i apologize for my inappropriate behavior!

I too have a 1 ZILLION candle power HUGE spotlight and the battery drains in no time flat:-( If i could make a couple of suggestions i would recommend the XLR100 and XLR250 from Jeremiah at boondoocks. The lights are lightweight, shine like none other (red) I just posted in the night calling with a picture and a yote from Friday night and it will tell you exactly what transpired friday night.
 
Do the yotes react different to red lights vs regular lights? Do the reg lights scare them? I wouldn't think so, since they stare stupidly into my headlight of a morning, but I guess it could be a different story in the field.
 
We used 3 different lights and none of the coyotes seemed to notice they were even being shined on. I really like my Lasergenetics because i put them in the scope and they keep coming into the call.

I have 3 different colors and they all worked fine.

I am going to spend a lot more time out this weekend to get a better understanding of which colors they do not like.

I will keep you informed.


Kevin
 
Lampy - no harm meant by my bouncing eyes question.

You wrote it that way, same as sitting in front of the gun that others commented on.

It's not always easy to type exactly what you mean on a website. THose 2 types of yours brought on the comments, they weren't really bashing.

Foxes do bounce around alot more then yotes - I learned about that early on in my night hunting escapades. Makes we wonder why I don't hunt then - they are quite stupid compared to coyotes IMO.

I think the red lights are a benefit to the hunter, does not affect our limited night vision ability. I think it makes our quarrey's eyes glow alot more than a white light too.

You can spend little or lots of $ on lights, your choice.
I personally go the economy route, but I don't hunt as often as others on this site.
 
Alright I'm going to go a different direction with this and actually try and answer the OP's question with something other than a "dump that loser" comment.

Why not actually take the guy shooting and do some practice. Shooting for practice is fun too, and maybe you can actually develop some level of confidence in the guy so he doesn't miss next time. And make it as realistic as possible. No shooting off of a bench, set up like you would if you were in the woods. And use cardboard cutouts that are life size placed at different ranges which are unknowns so he has to guess on the holdover and the wind.

Also...after a miss, make him run the light.
 
@TCS supposedly he has been through the appleseed training and did well. He told me after he shot, "I sighted it in at 100 so it should be back down at about 200-225." I guess he assumes that automatically means you dont need to practice those longer shots. Needless to say I won't be hunting with him anytime soon.

@DDW that is good to know, I never thought of that
 
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