Traditions Pursuit

Quote:Lots of people have cheap products that work. But it's just a matter of time before they get one that doesn't. Firearms are not the product to roll the dice on........


My good man, I Never said I was about buying cheap. DO NOT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH NEIGHBOR!! I said I wasnt against buying other than USA if the product was good based on my preferences. I do not roll the dice on cheap stuff weather when it comes to wepaons. You and I share an interest in LR shooting and have been involved in some dioscussions on other threads. I think you do in fact know that while I do not go after that 4K gun and 3K scope, I do not buy cheap stuff.

Im sorry, but 90% of the cases in that report are ancient in gun world time. No doubt, the weapon of then was quite dangerous. I seriouosly doubt my friends have the only working CVAs ever produced. As far as the Traditions, I just dont see what the problem is with them- other than they are foreign. Are you a Union Worker 2much?
 
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traditions has really stepped it up over the years, some of the guns they put out simply were not good quality in the trigger department. Accuracy has never been a problem with them but the triggers were BAD.

I have a traditions flintlock and that is a real nice shooter.
 
And once again a thread on here gets jacked by the know it alls that are in no way concerning themselves with the OP. As far as your all american product, I support America where i can but have you looked at your "American" car? Im a mechanic and on every car i have worked on theres at least one "Hecho en Mexico" sticker on it somewhere. Doesnt matter who makes it or where it comes from, it all boils down to who supplied it the cheapest. While there may be a few all American companies, they are far and few between. Bought the import traditions today and will be spending the extra money on something ill use more than two weeks a year.
 
im sure the rifle will serve you fine. Just do a good job and take it apart, stock and all, use some birchwood casey gun scrubber and blow all the nasty packing grease out. You can relube everything with Barricade and then just take the time to clean out the barrel and breech plug.
 
Originally Posted By: VAkritterkillerAnd once again a thread on here gets jacked by the know it alls that are in no way concerning themselves with the OP. While there may be a few all American companies, they are far and few between.

Whether you realize it or not, I WAS TRYING to help you make an informed decision based on MY THOUGHTS which YOU asked for.

I choose to support those "few and far between" American companies. Apparently you do not.

If these "few and far between" companies produced junk, I would say so, and not buy it. But that is not the case here.....
 
And back to the main post. I asked about a traditions because thats what i was intrested in, not what muzzleloader i should go out and buy. (this was a private sale, not a store buy) But thanks to the few that answered pertaining to my OP.
 
Originally Posted By: RockyMtnHunterevery company has made junk, ford, chevy, colt, remington, you name it. You dont judge by one or a few models that were produced.

No you don't. Let's look at the list of CVA rifle failures that have caused personal injury. Pretty wide variety of models I'd say. Spanning over a pretty long time too.

Hmmm. Let's see:

Mountain stalker
Pro Hunter
Staghorn
Buckmaster
Apollo
Wolf
Mag Hunter
Eclipse
Bobcat
Silver Trophy Hunter
Firebolt
OPTIMA
Kodiak
Kodiak Magnum
Grey Wolf
Optima Pro
New Frontier

Did I miss any? It's a long list, might have.

You are right, sounds very isolated to me
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I'm thinking the list of CVA models that have not failed would be MUCH shorter. If there are any.

Thanks for helping prove my point. Much appreciated
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pro hunter is a TC.

How many of these guns were loaded with smokeless powder? You list the sidelocks that had nipples blown out which can happen with any gun, ive actually had it happen with a 209 adapter kit but luckily it flew forward. I've had tresco?? A Bronze style nipple that broke HALF the threads on one side after around 70 shots.

Guns dont have brains, when something bad happens you will NEVER get the true story as its easier to blame the gun when blood is drawn.

Same goes for smokeless shooters, you get some idiot duplexing loads and kaboom! Waaaaaa!! The gun blew up, its faulty!!

One of the BIGGEST issues with new shooters, and its not their fault, they dont know what do after they load the gun and shoot. They havent a clue about marking a ramrod for a witness mark to see if the bullet is properly seated or not. You got guys that heard you should break/crush the pellet when you seat the bullet to make sure it goes off. You have guys that put a projectile into the muzzle and then short start it, get distracted and pull the trigger and it splits the barrel in half. Double loads, broken noses. Ram rods that are left in the bore and then shot " done that twice"

Muzzleloaders are basically pipe bombs waiting for a mistake to happen due to shooter error.
 
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the recall guns had the problems with plugs blowing out, something about the thread engagement, cva never denied that and have taken care of it, including recovering 98% of the guns.

that scare tactic website as i said before is sponsored by wakeman and is his way of bringing $$$ into his ambulance chasing lawyer wakeman advertises for.
 
I don't think Randy Wakeman is responsible to for the complete lack of QC that CVA has come to be known for. Nor is he responsible for the catastrophic failures that injured all these people.

It's hard for breech plug threads to "engage" when there are no threads.

I'm done beating a dead horse here. You spin it any way you want. CVA is junk IMO.....
 
cva #1 selling muzzy brand buddy. They have turned around big time since those days and the years affected by the recall are 95 and 96. Cars get recalled as well, doesnt mean they are junk, means they are taking responsibility to get those back and keep the person safe.

I have shot them 14-15 years with never any safety issues or scares, they are as safe a muzzleloader as any other gun out there, same with traditions.
 
Savage is the only one that I know of that is safe to shoot smokeless powder in.
I myself have a CVA optima very accurate gun and the inlaws both have CVA accura v1's. All of our rifles will shoot 1 1/2 at 100 yards
 
tomcat, there are some other custom guns out there that will shoot smokeless. Remington 700 ml with a pacnor barrel swap is extremely popular. The cva Apex 45-70 conversion is also hot.
 
Originally Posted By: RockyMtnHuntercva have turned around big time since those days

Since what days? You act like it was long ago or something. It WASN'T. Do you see how many cases have been filed after the year 2000? Not even counting the recalled guns? Whatever......
 
ive read them and most of them after 3 HOURS of reading the lawyer BS, turned out to be user error and smokeless powder. Smokeless powder being the worse of the bunch.
 
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