Twist rate of 22-250 question

I consider 5 shot groups under .7" shooting good and .5" phenomenal for a factory gun. I am sure some consider an inch good. I'm sure that accounts for some of the opinions.
 
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Originally Posted By: tripod3Originally Posted By: varminter .223I have several Remington 22-250s which are all 14 twist. I've not been able to get any of them to shoot anything heavy than 40s to shoot. However they all shoot the same 40 grain load very well. My 12 twist savages shoot wonderful with 53 vmax and 60 ballistic tips with very little load work. My vs swift handles 50 and 55s well. I'm not a 14 twist 22 250 fan but I only need heavy pills since I only hunt coyotes with these rifles.
It is very odd to me that I hear guys complain a 1/14 Rem won't shoot medium weight bullets. Yet all .22-250's I've owned do.
So I have to wonder if Rem puts an extra 1/4 twist or even a 1/16 twist.
There must be a mechanical explanation for this. Like yesterday a friend had issue with a Rem .243 and after researching he discovered that Rem put an extra 1/4 twist on that model.
You might be on to something: someone recently posted (don't remember where) that he measured his alleged 1:12 Remington .204R barrel and it came out closer to 1:12.5, I believe. (That .204 is another that is cursed with a too-slow twist in most brands of rifles). Like you, I just want a 12 in a .22-250 to be able to stabilize the 53 gr. V-Max, maybe a 60 and nothing heavier; is that asking too much? Looks like Savage is the only company listening, so I'm going with them. (btw: sure would be nice if Savage would offer Swift action/chambering with their 12-twist .22 cal. barrel!)
 
Originally Posted By: varminter .223I consider 5 shot groups under .7" shooting good and .5" phenomenal for a factory gun. I am sure some consider an inch good. I'm sure that accounts for some of the opinions.

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I know for a fact that it doesn't account for all of them, and very likely it might not account for any of them when you look at who has posted having good luck with 14" twist 22-250 rifles. Very few people here who mention a rifle that shoots extremely well are referring to 1" groups.
 
This topic is almost as taboo as the whole 223/556 issue. Frankly its mind boggling to see so many folks claim a 14t 22 250 is only good for 40gr bullets. I have yet to shoot lighter than a 50gr through any of them. Every rifle has shot 55gr(including tipped) bullets extremely well. In fact, I have stepped up to 60gr sierra and hornady hp as well as 64gr win power points. Those 3 bullets are about the same length as a 55vmax.

Stabilization does not guarantee accuracy.
 
If your shooting a true 1-14 twist & it won't shoot 50-55's, you've got the wrong powder or you ain't pushing them fast enough, probably speed. It's not a baby gun, step on the peddle & get the velocity up. That being said, there are some 1-14 22-250's that are in fact 1-14.5 twist. I've got a VSSF I 22-250 1-14 twist that shoots Sierra 60 gr. HP varmint bullets 1/2 moa if I hammer the powder to it, RL15.
Jim D
 
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BTW, FWIW, my Remington 22-250 & my Remington 1-14 Swift's both like huge jumps to the lands to be accurate. Anything less than .070 on my 220's it's like shooting a coffee can. My 22-250 jump is .055 shooting my preferred 52's & 53's. I know all guns are different that's just the character of mine.
JD
 
I put a 26" Mcgowen 9 twist .22-250 on a R700 years ago and after shooting 80gr Bergers out to 1200 yards i fell in love with it. They clocked in at 3200 FPS with H414 in Lapua brass.
It even shoots 40gr Vmax and NBT's very good. But using it on deer last year the 80gr Berger does not play around.
Putting a 22" 12 Twist .22-250 Savage barrel on a Savage 11 Hog Hunter just to give it a try with some 53gr Vmax. Havent had a slow twist in awhile.
 
Originally Posted By: liliysdadWhittaker guns just announced a run of Tikkas in an 8 twist 22-250........companies are finally listening.

There are varying markets for a lot of things, but that alone doesn't make one choice right and another choice wrong.

Tikka has been selling 8" twist 223 rifles for maybe 10 years, but they haven't cornered the market on 223 sales for that reason alone, or for any other reason. There are still lots of 223's in other twists that are good sellers for other rifle makers.

Barrel life in the 8" 22-250 will be predictably shorter for the unwary buyer. Those who understand the difference will accept their choice, but the Average Joe will squeal loudly when his new toy is toast far sooner than he planned.
 
Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: varminter .223I consider 5 shot groups under .7" shooting good and .5" phenomenal for a factory gun. I am sure some consider an inch good. I'm sure that accounts for some of the opinions.

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I know for a fact that it doesn't account for all of them, and very likely it might not account for any of them when you look at who has posted having good luck with 14" twist 22-250 rifles. Very few people here who mention a rifle that shoots extremely well are referring to 1" groups.

I wasn't inferring that it applies to everyone which is I why I said "some" but I would guess the majority of Joe shmo rifle shooters probably think an inch is pretty good. I also don't have a chronograph yet and don't like to get too much over max load chasing accuracy with a given bullet.
All I can say with certainty is I have fought all of my 14 twist rem 22-250s and my 12 twist Savages are so easy to come up with good a good load for.
 
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varminter.223, keep adding powder until you blow a primer out of the case then back off just a little, very little. Just kidding of course. I would think a 8 twist 22-250, especially if you run them hot, would eat the throat up pretty dam quick. I know what some of you might think about me running my 1-14's hot & fast but I bought the 22-250 & 220 Swift's for speed & all I can get from them. When I want something less, 3100-3200 fps, I'll drag out my 222 or 223. If I burn the barrel so be it, I'll buy a new Pac-Nor or Bartlein & stick on them. I did just buy a new Cooper Phoenix M54 22-250 1-14 twist 26" in the new HS Precision stock and this one I might baby just a little. It's beautiful, 26" heavy barrel & the stock black with lots of blue webbing. Good shooting to you nice fellows whatever twist you decide on.
Jim D
 
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Originally Posted By: Texas Swiftyvarminter.223, keep adding powder until you blow a primer out of the case then back off just a little, very little. Just kidding of course. I would think a 8 twist 22-250, especially if you run them hot, would eat the throat up pretty dam quick. I know what some of you might think about me running my 1-14's hot & fast but I bought the 22-250 & 220 Swift's for speed & all I can get from them. When I want something less, 3100-3200 fps, I'll drag out my 222 or 223. If I burn the barrel so be it, I'll buy a new Pac-Nor or Bartlein & stick on them. I did just buy a new Cooper Phoenix M54 22-250 1-14 twist 26" in the new HS Precision stock and this one I might baby just a little. It's beautiful, 26" heavy barrel & the stock black with lots of blue webbing. Good shooting to you nice fellows whatever twist you decide on.
Jim D
I would never run a twist faster than a 12 on a swift or a 22 250 but man are my 12's easy to load for. It took me about 250 rounds and a bed job to get my 700 vs swift to settle in at .5 or .6 ish with 5 shot groups of 55 bt's but I do have good loads for about 5 different bullets from 40 to 55 grains for it. It is good with factory hornady 55s as well. My vsf swift still isn't as good but will do pretty close with 55 Nosler SHOTS.
I have a varmint special ,an lvsf, and a bdl in 22-250 and none of them will shoot factory hornady 55s or white box 45's worth a hoot. 40 vmax with 36.5 varget at 2.350" with a cci 200 is great though.
I put together a 14 twist Savage swift with a new 112j take off and it is not good with anything lol.
 
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Originally Posted By: varminter .223Originally Posted By: Texas Swiftyvarminter.223, keep adding powder until you blow a primer out of the case then back off just a little, very little. Just kidding of course. I would think a 8 twist 22-250, especially if you run them hot, would eat the throat up pretty dam quick. I know what some of you might think about me running my 1-14's hot & fast but I bought the 22-250 & 220 Swift's for speed & all I can get from them. When I want something less, 3100-3200 fps, I'll drag out my 222 or 223. If I burn the barrel so be it, I'll buy a new Pac-Nor or Bartlein & stick on them. I did just buy a new Cooper Phoenix M54 22-250 1-14 twist 26" in the new HS Precision stock and this one I might baby just a little. It's beautiful, 26" heavy barrel & the stock black with lots of blue webbing. Good shooting to you nice fellows whatever twist you decide on.
Jim D
I would never run a twist faster than a 12 on a swift or a 22 250 but man are my 12's easy to load for. It took me about 250 rounds and a bed job to get my 700 vs swift to settle in at .5 or .6 ish with 5 shot groups of 55 bt's but I do have good loads for about 5 different bullets from 40 to 55 grains for it. It is good with factory hornady 55s as well. My vsf swift still isn't as good but will do pretty close with 55 Nosler SHOTS.
I have a varmint special ,an lvsf, and a bdl in 22-250 and none of them will shoot factory hornady 55s or white box 45's worth a hoot. 40 vmax with 36.5 varget at 2.350" with a cci 200 is great though.
I put together a 14 twist Savage swift with a new 112j take off and it is not good with anything lol.

It sounds like a chronograph would be an excellent investment for you.

I own a couple of 22-250 rifles that seem to like the 45 grain WW White Box stuff. Nothing spectacular, but I also have two 22-250 rifles that don't shoot the 45 grain WW promotional White Box ammo. But all of the same rifles shoot better grade factory ammo as well as handloads with 52-55 grain bullets "extremely well". Go figure. I doubt that twist rate has anything to do with it.
 
in recent yrs Savage made couple of different 22-250's in a 1-9, one was laminate stock stainless heavy barrel that would shoot 70gr bergers lights out, the other was varmint model, synthetic stock blue barrel that I would like to have back, don't know why they discontinued, best twist for the 22-250 bar none.
 
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