4thhorseman
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340 Weatherby Mag. Talk about a long range killing machine. Only shot one once. I've never forgoten it!
Ultimate Long Range Coyote Rifle
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Lost_River
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Top choices for me would be a 6mm Remington or a .260 Rem. A .260 might just be perfect for the task.
I have used Lilja barreled .300 win mags on dogs using 190 gr SMKs and they rarely open up. I had a few that were rock solid hits and ran off never to be recovered.
I have used Lilja barreled .300 win mags on dogs using 190 gr SMKs and they rarely open up. I had a few that were rock solid hits and ran off never to be recovered.
ADCcoyote
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First how many 800 yards shot does one encounter? I don't see many at all most are much closer and my long range shots are in that 450-600 yard range, also do you want just dead coyotes or pelts? Caliber selection could make a differance as well on your end result. Next would be cost of gun? There are some on the market that would make good long range guns but pushing that 800 yards range with consistancy will take a good rifle.
I would opt for the 25-06 if you feel your going to get "enough" shots at that 700-800 yard range, I know most of mine will be under that 600 yard mark so I like the .243 with less recoil and seeing more through my scope, a gun doesn't have to be blazing fast to be a good long range gun, it must be able to repeat time again point of impact at those ranges.
At 800 yards here is wind drift at 10 mph
.243 80 bullet 73.5"
.25-06 115 Nosler Bal tip 54.2"
.284 bullet 150 grain at 2890 fps 47.4"
Your talking 7" differance between the 25- 06 and the .284, the benefit from the 25-06 is 7" is something that is corrected with a good scope and turrets, so then one needs to look at barrel life, cost of ammo or reloading componants, the 25-06 has cheaper brass, burns less powder on average, and bullets some cheaper as well.
Now me with my .243 I shoot out to 650 yards my drift is 42.3" again very liveable with the scope I have on it so it works for me real well, I can either "click" in the drift or with my mil dot scope I'm looking at 1.8 mils at 650 and 1.6 mils correction at 600, so again not a big swing for me, clicks with 1/4" scope it means at 650 I need 25.3 clicks or turn dial to 6.4 on my dial at 600 yards I need 23 clicks so I turn the knob to 5.8 and I have my windage darn close.
I have my cheat sheet with both from my bal program, if I need a quicker shot then I use the mils for both windage and elevation or if the coyote is sitting tight and gives me time to range and dial I will.
Each to his own but my heavy barrel .243 does a great job at that 400-600 yard range, for a factory gun and finding that right load I couldn't be more happier, it will print at 1" or less groups at 200 yards.
My 25-06 my futherest shot was a white tail at 455 yards with a nosler 110 accu bond it did the job well.That scope has the BDC type, if I had it to do over I would put the mil dot with turrets on it as well, a very functional and gives you 2 options I like it much better than the BDC type.
Good luck with what ever you decide on.
I would opt for the 25-06 if you feel your going to get "enough" shots at that 700-800 yard range, I know most of mine will be under that 600 yard mark so I like the .243 with less recoil and seeing more through my scope, a gun doesn't have to be blazing fast to be a good long range gun, it must be able to repeat time again point of impact at those ranges.
At 800 yards here is wind drift at 10 mph
.243 80 bullet 73.5"
.25-06 115 Nosler Bal tip 54.2"
.284 bullet 150 grain at 2890 fps 47.4"
Your talking 7" differance between the 25- 06 and the .284, the benefit from the 25-06 is 7" is something that is corrected with a good scope and turrets, so then one needs to look at barrel life, cost of ammo or reloading componants, the 25-06 has cheaper brass, burns less powder on average, and bullets some cheaper as well.
Now me with my .243 I shoot out to 650 yards my drift is 42.3" again very liveable with the scope I have on it so it works for me real well, I can either "click" in the drift or with my mil dot scope I'm looking at 1.8 mils at 650 and 1.6 mils correction at 600, so again not a big swing for me, clicks with 1/4" scope it means at 650 I need 25.3 clicks or turn dial to 6.4 on my dial at 600 yards I need 23 clicks so I turn the knob to 5.8 and I have my windage darn close.
I have my cheat sheet with both from my bal program, if I need a quicker shot then I use the mils for both windage and elevation or if the coyote is sitting tight and gives me time to range and dial I will.
Each to his own but my heavy barrel .243 does a great job at that 400-600 yard range, for a factory gun and finding that right load I couldn't be more happier, it will print at 1" or less groups at 200 yards.
My 25-06 my futherest shot was a white tail at 455 yards with a nosler 110 accu bond it did the job well.That scope has the BDC type, if I had it to do over I would put the mil dot with turrets on it as well, a very functional and gives you 2 options I like it much better than the BDC type.
Good luck with what ever you decide on.
kapac
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I see a lot of good info. in this thread, of course I finally seen what range you were talking about (800yds.) However may I ask what you would be hunting at that range?
If you are talking about coyotes you will not need much KO power when it gets there. If you are talking larger game say mule deer or elk the minimum would .284 and since your not a reloader that would mean that a 7 RUM as mentioned before, would be awesome for that. Myself I went with the 338 RUM and soon I will build a .338 Edge. As for the Cheytac its a 408 Cheytac and not a 409.
Good luck
Kapac
If you are talking about coyotes you will not need much KO power when it gets there. If you are talking larger game say mule deer or elk the minimum would .284 and since your not a reloader that would mean that a 7 RUM as mentioned before, would be awesome for that. Myself I went with the 338 RUM and soon I will build a .338 Edge. As for the Cheytac its a 408 Cheytac and not a 409.
Good luck
Kapac
dogcatcher223
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6.5-284.
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ChristensenArms Ranger if I could but the .257 weatherby mag and .264 Win Mag sound about right.
motivationteam
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I am in the open country of Idaho and I actually do get quite a few shots that are way out there. Alot of ground I hunt is pressured so I get some hang ups. I hunt some competition so hide preservation is not much of a goal when taking long shots. I am going to be doing some videoing next month on some private ranch land that does not get hunted much so I want to be ready for anything. Besides I love shooting long range. I am not completley sure how much I am willing to spend probably around 1k for the gun, however I might go more if there is something compelling. I do reload and will be working up a load.
When i 1st started getting into the long-range game i was shooting a 700 6mm AI, and i was able to get right around MOA out to 800 yds. using the Hornady 87 gr. BTHP (couldn't get the 87 V-Max to shoot), but i never got a coyote opportunity beyond 500 or so with that rig.
I then started to get into the specialty pistols and long-range and actually killed one with a lot of luck and some calculation at 906 using a 6.5-284 XP-100/129 SST/Burris 3-12X BP reticle and turrets.
The only other coyote i've taken beyond the 600 yd. mark was a mange dog at 775 using a buddy's huge Nesika Bay 270 WSM/140 Nosler BT/8.5-25X Leupold and it was DRT as the Nosler ran the length of him and exited out his hindquarter. I actually saw that dog tip over when the bullet hit him, the gun was so heavy. It recoiled a bit and came right back down on the Harris BR bipod. I'll never forget it. That was done with an untested system running dope off a ballistics programs calcs only.
Doesn't Savage make a nice bolt rig in 6.5-284 nowadays? I'd imagine if u could get the 140 A-Max running well out of it it should be just right for 600-800 yd. I'd bet that 7mm 162 A-Max would be real nice as well. I've ran that out of an XP-100 handgun in 7-270 WSM and liked it for steel. I would think the minimum for that kind of shooting would be the bigger 25's and that super sweet 115 Nosler, as ADC mentioned above.
DTAC is supposed to be coming out with a 24 cal. 111 polymer tipped bullet that's supposed to have a BC around .6. Bet that would be something to try out of a 243 or bigger.
I then started to get into the specialty pistols and long-range and actually killed one with a lot of luck and some calculation at 906 using a 6.5-284 XP-100/129 SST/Burris 3-12X BP reticle and turrets.
The only other coyote i've taken beyond the 600 yd. mark was a mange dog at 775 using a buddy's huge Nesika Bay 270 WSM/140 Nosler BT/8.5-25X Leupold and it was DRT as the Nosler ran the length of him and exited out his hindquarter. I actually saw that dog tip over when the bullet hit him, the gun was so heavy. It recoiled a bit and came right back down on the Harris BR bipod. I'll never forget it. That was done with an untested system running dope off a ballistics programs calcs only.
Doesn't Savage make a nice bolt rig in 6.5-284 nowadays? I'd imagine if u could get the 140 A-Max running well out of it it should be just right for 600-800 yd. I'd bet that 7mm 162 A-Max would be real nice as well. I've ran that out of an XP-100 handgun in 7-270 WSM and liked it for steel. I would think the minimum for that kind of shooting would be the bigger 25's and that super sweet 115 Nosler, as ADC mentioned above.
DTAC is supposed to be coming out with a 24 cal. 111 polymer tipped bullet that's supposed to have a BC around .6. Bet that would be something to try out of a 243 or bigger.
SodakJim
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I actually had that problem.
I was shooting mostly feral dogs and some 'yotes on a cattle spread during calving. They raised pedigreed Kobe beef.
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Did you also have to pour beer into and massage the bovines for the Kobe Beef. Something tells me they don't do that anymore, even in Japan. I ate many a Kobe Fillet in the 1960s in Japan and Hong Kong, and it was pretty special stuff.
The big magnums will definately shoot flat with less wind deflection, if your not intimidated by the recoil. After a while they will make a Wooden Indian flich. I have had only one rifle that I thought might do what your asking, and that was a very heavy Custom Model 70 300 Win Mag. It wasn't that pleasant to shoot off the bench after the first box of shells.
I actually had that problem.
I was shooting mostly feral dogs and some 'yotes on a cattle spread during calving. They raised pedigreed Kobe beef.
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Did you also have to pour beer into and massage the bovines for the Kobe Beef. Something tells me they don't do that anymore, even in Japan. I ate many a Kobe Fillet in the 1960s in Japan and Hong Kong, and it was pretty special stuff.
The big magnums will definately shoot flat with less wind deflection, if your not intimidated by the recoil. After a while they will make a Wooden Indian flich. I have had only one rifle that I thought might do what your asking, and that was a very heavy Custom Model 70 300 Win Mag. It wasn't that pleasant to shoot off the bench after the first box of shells.
MPFD
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A little 7mm WSM info. I load for my brothers and it is extremely accurate. I was sceptical of this round when he bought the gun. I said why didn't you just get a 7 rem mag.
But after messing with it and seeing it's accuracy, I've fallen in love with it. The short action is excellent and the cases really seem to burn slow powders well.
http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek064.html
But after messing with it and seeing it's accuracy, I've fallen in love with it. The short action is excellent and the cases really seem to burn slow powders well.
http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek064.html
CatShooter
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I actually had that problem.
I was shooting mostly feral dogs and some 'yotes on a cattle spread during calving. They raised pedigreed Kobe beef.
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Did you also have to pour beer into and massage the bovines for the Kobe Beef. Something tells me they don't do that anymore, even in Japan. I ate many a Kobe Fillet in the 1960s in Japan and Hong Kong, and it was pretty special stuff.
Nope - I just did what I could to keep the little ones alive.
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The big magnums will definately shoot flat with less wind deflection, if your not intimidated by the recoil. After a while they will make a Wooden Indian flich. I have had only one rifle that I thought might do what your asking, and that was a very heavy Custom Model 70 300 Win Mag. It wasn't that pleasant to shoot off the bench after the first box of shells.
The 14.7 pound 300 WM I was using at first was a bit much after a while, especially considering that in the end, it wasn't that effective.
The 11 pound 264WM Sendero-II is not unpleasent to shoot from prone. For this kind of shooting, I would not go larger if you are in a "target rich environment".
The coyotes were rare and traveled alone. They would run at the first shot...
... but the feral dogs would pack up and were fearless to the sound of guns. When a pack was on the range, we would get maybe 20 or 30 shots over 30 minutes.
The first dog that went down would anchor the pack as the rest would soon start tearing at it, and we would often get 6 to 10 feral dogs at 700-900 yds.
We spaced the shooting to one shot every 1 or 2 minutes so as not to spook the pack, and to give our shoulders a break. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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I actually had that problem.
I was shooting mostly feral dogs and some 'yotes on a cattle spread during calving. They raised pedigreed Kobe beef.
.
Did you also have to pour beer into and massage the bovines for the Kobe Beef. Something tells me they don't do that anymore, even in Japan. I ate many a Kobe Fillet in the 1960s in Japan and Hong Kong, and it was pretty special stuff.
Nope - I just did what I could to keep the little ones alive.
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The big magnums will definately shoot flat with less wind deflection, if your not intimidated by the recoil. After a while they will make a Wooden Indian flich. I have had only one rifle that I thought might do what your asking, and that was a very heavy Custom Model 70 300 Win Mag. It wasn't that pleasant to shoot off the bench after the first box of shells.
The 14.7 pound 300 WM I was using at first was a bit much after a while, especially considering that in the end, it wasn't that effective.
The 11 pound 264WM Sendero-II is not unpleasent to shoot from prone. For this kind of shooting, I would not go larger if you are in a "target rich environment".
The coyotes were rare and traveled alone. They would run at the first shot...
... but the feral dogs would pack up and were fearless to the sound of guns. When a pack was on the range, we would get maybe 20 or 30 shots over 30 minutes.
The first dog that went down would anchor the pack as the rest would soon start tearing at it, and we would often get 6 to 10 feral dogs at 700-900 yds.
We spaced the shooting to one shot every 1 or 2 minutes so as not to spook the pack, and to give our shoulders a break. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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knockemdown
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A little 7mm WSM info. I load for my brothers and it is extremely accurate. I was sceptical of this round when he bought the gun. I said why didn't you just get a 7 rem mag.
But after messing with it and seeing it's accuracy, I've fallen in love with it. The short action is excellent and the cases really seem to burn slow powders well.
http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek064.html
GREAT article!
What a coincidence...
Mine has a #7 24", 9 twist Broughton 5C with Badger brake also. And it shoots just as good with the same load/bullet combo. Recoil is on par with my .243, but the "crackboom" will get ya...
A little 7mm WSM info. I load for my brothers and it is extremely accurate. I was sceptical of this round when he bought the gun. I said why didn't you just get a 7 rem mag.
But after messing with it and seeing it's accuracy, I've fallen in love with it. The short action is excellent and the cases really seem to burn slow powders well.
http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek064.html
GREAT article!
What a coincidence...
Mine has a #7 24", 9 twist Broughton 5C with Badger brake also. And it shoots just as good with the same load/bullet combo. Recoil is on par with my .243, but the "crackboom" will get ya...
MPFD
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Must be a shooter! We are messing with a Model 70 shadow, sporter barrel, after I bedded it and lighten'd the trigger the accuracy is great! The biggest he will ever hunt with it is a Kansas White tail, but it has shot some dogs (quarter sized exit) and some PD's (messy splat). I've been loading with 58 g. of Varget under a 120g. Nosler ballistic tip, shoots under .5" groups at 100 yards most of the time. Some times 1/4" groups. 3300+ fps. No reason to get hard on the brass.
motivationteam
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My dilema is that it has to be something that I can buy from Cabelas because I have a bunch of points from my business and some gift certificates there.
My .338 RUM Model 700 is a real long range shooter and I bought it at Cabelas in Sidney with a relatively light barrel. I can shoot a 3 shot 1 1/2 inch 300 yard group with it. Anymore shots causes to much heating for a light 26 inch barrel. However recoil is intense. When Im sighting in at the range a 25 lb of lead between the stock and my shoulder helps make the experience a little more pleasant. I have shot it out to 800 yards and can hit a 14 by 14 metal gong if the wind cooperates. Better lucky than good I guess.
knockemdown
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I don't know how fur friendly it is but its good for long range /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Seen an M82A1 in action for the first time this past spring. The consistent 12-16" groups it was patterning at a meager 200yds was less than impressive, to say the least.
Blame it on ball ammo or whatever, but I'd not smoke $9k on one. It sure did sound good though!
I don't know how fur friendly it is but its good for long range /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Seen an M82A1 in action for the first time this past spring. The consistent 12-16" groups it was patterning at a meager 200yds was less than impressive, to say the least.
Blame it on ball ammo or whatever, but I'd not smoke $9k on one. It sure did sound good though!
I do a lot of long range shooting, but I kind of gave up on long range coyotes. I hate carrying a 14 lb plus rifle to the stand, ranging coyotes at 800 yards is unreliable with the gear I own, and getting the infamous one shot one kill on an 800 yard dog is iffy at best.
Still, I do have a long range rifle suitable for coyotes (and big game). I am shooting a 7mm Rem Mag with 168 Bergers. For glass I use a Nightforce 3.5-15 (sold my 5.5-22 today).
The long range gig was fun while it lasted, but I have gone full circle and now I shoot a cheap .204 with an even cheaper scope. I am not rifleman enough to dump dogs at 800 yards on a consistant basis. Too many variables and I suck off of sticks.
Still, I do have a long range rifle suitable for coyotes (and big game). I am shooting a 7mm Rem Mag with 168 Bergers. For glass I use a Nightforce 3.5-15 (sold my 5.5-22 today).
The long range gig was fun while it lasted, but I have gone full circle and now I shoot a cheap .204 with an even cheaper scope. I am not rifleman enough to dump dogs at 800 yards on a consistant basis. Too many variables and I suck off of sticks.
bigwheeler
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7mm mag. lots of high bc bullets available in the 160 grain range. Pretty mild
to shoot and well known for accuracy. The only bullet I think may be better
would be a long 6.5. I am not too versed in the 6.5 cartridges available these
days though.
to shoot and well known for accuracy. The only bullet I think may be better
would be a long 6.5. I am not too versed in the 6.5 cartridges available these
days though.