UV-scareing coyotes away?

This is all very interresting.

I tried the UV killer a while back..

I can say without a doubt that it works while hunting deer.. Low light conditions dictate it's use.

At the same time frame I was wearing the same camo to hunt coyotes and killed a fair share.

Detergents that are lacking in perfumes and brighteners will not add the uv glow to any garment washed in them.

The dye fades (just like a pair of jeans fade) after repeated washings so the killer is not really needed.

When buying your camo, pay attention to the tag and buy one that says "No UV brighteners/dyes added". Once it is bought, use Tide free or a detergent like it to keep them that way..

Run a load of clothes through the washer to clean the brighteners from it and then dry them.. The brighteners will be in the dryer also and if you don't remove them it is a useless process that you are going through.

This process has to be used evry time you wash the uv free clothing.. One time is all it takes for the brighteners to add the glow back, even on treated items... James L..
 
Hey coyote control, if you haven't washed them britches in 12 years maybe the coyote thinks you are something dead and comes in to investigate /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif. This might be worthy of another post: "Do nonwashed clothes smell like roadkill? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif"- What do you think?
From the reading I did from the Univ of Georgia they indicated that deer do not have cones on their retina to see blaze orange or reds so it can be used as a camo. Also I have blaze orange shirts and hats that do not reflect at all under a black light and have others that look like a high beam. And I have hunted deer with a bow for about 40 years and when all the conditions were right I have had deer brush up against me as they walk by and at other times stand and stomp for 10 minutes looking in my direction and then head off like shot out of a canon. Go figure!!
 
The best hunting season I ever had I didn't wash anything indoors. I went to the river in front of my house and agitated them good. Then I hung them up on a line. after they dried I put them in a trash bag till I got to the woods.
It was like I had sprinkled myself with magic god powder. I couldn't spook animals. I would see game and have opportunities I'd never had before. I went back to the washer and drier and had the worst year in a long time.
Next year I'm going back to the old fashion ways. It saves time.
Defcon
 
I saw these guys at a Michigan show where I got these products. I have read the book and watched the DVD about uv killer. I def. think it works for deer hunting but one thing that has not been told right is that sportwash does not take away uv brightners. No detergent removes brightners ever! Sportwash just doesn't put brightners back in your camo. Another is that you don't wash your camo in uv killer, you spray it on after you wash your camo and it is permanent as long as you don't wash your camo in a laundry detergent that has brightners. Those who are washing in woolite and cheer are just adding brightners. So get you a black light and check all your camo and your laundry detergent that you use. I suggest calling the company and getting the book with the facts and reading it then you will uderstand!
 
Could it all be about advertising and money? Nowadays so many things are on the market to make a predator caller more successful, but do they all work as advertised? Are they even nessessary? You could be giving your hard earned money away?
Defcon mentioned the old fashion ways. Well, those ways worked really good before this money making sport got so popular.
If you believe everything you read or see on a DVD or in a book or even on the internet.....I got a bridge I'd like to sell you.
This sport has come up with some very good ideas in resent years and some very bad ones......Psst, coyotes don't use black lights do they?
You all need to save alot of money and just go back to the basics. A rifle or a shotgun and a caller, that's all you need to be successful.This should put a little more spice in the conversation huh? lol /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
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LOL at the lectures..! A bunch of sense that makes when we're hunting something WE'RE NOT EATING! If you wanted this all to make sense and not waste ANY money in your life, you'd be saving your ammo only for the stuff you eat! Camo? If you can't wear it everyday then you shouldn't bother with that either. Heck, why even wash your clothes? The only reason we do that is so other people won't think we stink!

Believe it or don't. If you think it makes a difference, have at it! If you don't believe it, go waste your money somewhere else. We're all wasting money by someone's definition anyway! LOL... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Your writing sounds like lecturing to me lol. Besides, I eat the coyotes I kill, that's why I've lived this long.

You're right though, I'm wasting money just trying to figure out the lies from the truth.
 
You nailed it Kirby. I posed the same question to Gerald Steward at a trapping convention when he was doing a calling demo. He indicated that he didn't worry about it or it was bull, not sure, memory is not perfect that far back. I almost wonder if they have a sixth sense when they spot you laying down ready to shoot, sometimes there is no way they heard or saw me, then looked over their shoulder or got up to look over a snow bank.T.20
 
Judging by some of the crazy things we've heard about critters doing-not the least of which includes getting run over by cars, I'm sure there's plenty to be said for not buying almost any of the whiz-bang hunting gear nowadays. It's like all those purdy lures that catch more fisherman than fish. Of course, I have a tacklebox that's full of that stuff! LOL..

We COULD start a thread related to what 'new' gear is actually useful and why it's better than NOT having it, or better than the 'old' way of doing things! Wait, I think that's these forums do.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
To begin with, The uv brightener in washing detergents is something that has not always been there.

If the brighteners were not there then they would not be a problem in any circcumstance.

The brighteners fade or there wouldn't be a reason to have them in the detergents either..

No! coyotes don't use black lights but animals have been pretty much proven to not see exactly like humans do..That is the reason they see at night well and we don't.

The uv spectrum (as it is called) is predominantly used in the vision of most prey species.. Like deer etc..

Predator species may be different, I don't personally know.

My granfather died in 1975. He had a hunting coat that I know hasn't been washed since as well as some of his old uniform clothes.

I got a black light out and guess what? No glow.. Imagine that. Why? No UV Brighteners in the detergent that was used to wash them last..

So the old timers might very well have been practicing this a long time ago and not even known it lol. The reason that most hunters back then didn't use camo to hunt with is that it wasn't something that was readily available to most people...

If we practice the same things (no uv brighteners) then we won't either..

Right Danny?..lol...James L.
 
I looked @ a pic of mine the other day again. You can see how much "brighter" my white coverall's are than the snow. These coveralls I've had for 6-7yrs. I quit washing them in soap awhile back. I've seen other white coveralls in other pics of guys with dead coyotes.

I've noticed some coveralls were the same color/brightness of the snow in the background. Other coveralls were excessivly brighter than the back ground snow cover.

If you wear & hunt with "bright whites" on white covered rolling hills. You'll eventually get pegged by a local.
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I think I must have been very lucky over the years with all the yotes that I have killed.

I also wonder if the paint on my trucks reflect UV rays or not because I have killed one heck of a lot of yotes from my truck!

When guys live in an area where the coyote population is scarce or when the yotes are call wise, they start turing over every rock trying to better their success rate.

UV brightners may be a new thing of the last 10 years or so, a little research may not hurt.

I do know that when you are in an area where the coyote population is high that you could wear a NASA space suit and kill yotes.
 
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I'm with Billythekid!



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I wonder sometimes how people were able to kill coyotes 50 years ago. But if a person feels betters using some of this stuff and does not mind spending the money then have at it.

One thing I don't wonder about is how they used to sell x-ray glasses and Seamonkeys from the comic book ads years ago.
 
hey im not saying that it works for coyotes or deer, but it works for snow geese.

We did a study on geese and the decoys were used like they were originly panted and the group killed some geese but had others flare and many more would not come down....Then we took decoys that were painted on the white sections on every one and the results were astounding.. Same field that evening... We had group after group of birds come down....

Then when we studied a goose feather under the machine it had no UV rays emmiting from it and was apparently absorbing all the UV rays that we were adding to it...then we spray painted it with a white paint that was the same brand as the decoys and looked...it reflected all of the UV rays and it appeared to be a neon yellow in color.

THIS IS WHITE did not test any other color

Scientist have long thought that the birds eyes can see UV radiation and that we concluded that the decoys that were not painted appeared yellow to the birds..

Whether this is the same for mammals as in birds i do not know /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif but if i ever hunt any animals in the snow or i will have my clothes made to absorb the UV rays.

That is just my opinion /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gifnot saying it meens anything
 
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Well guys - I don't believe in the stufff either....

I have used the same Camo coveralls for the past 12 yrs now and guess what? I have only washed them one time in all them years.

I have had coyotes come up as close as 8, 10 and 16 yds and not even notice me sitting next to a tree. So I am sure if the UV was shining bright, then I should of been pegged on the spot.

The camo coveralls are Timber Ghost, haven't seen them around for many, many years. They look like a tree trunk or should I say, bark of the tree.



I agree wholeheartedly with you Coyote Control! There may actually be something to the UV thing as far as the animals seeing something a certain way but what RELEVANCE does it have as far as animals coming in close??? I've used many different types of camo through the years (store bought and home made) and NEVER have used the UV soap. What I want to know if how come I have so many critters come within feet of me??? I think BS describes this whole thing perfectly. Someone see's a study done about A and figures out a way to make some money off it. The elephant that is sitting in the living room (of this discussion) that the advertiser's (to my knowledge) have NEVER addressed or discussed is, 'If UV is a problem, WHY has camo worked so beautifully one decade after another???' I am a BIG believer in camo--always have been. Not once through the years (well over 30 years), have I ever had any reason to doubt the efficacy of my camo--not once! I have had all kinds of wild life come within feet, some within spitting distance of me. According to the UV people, this shouldn't have ever happened! Myself, I prefer to live in blissful ignorance and keep getting the results I've been getting for so many years! -- Mike
 
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If it is BS then I am out a couple of bucks. If it holds some water then maybe my coyote count will go up. +1 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif



If hanging a chicken bone around my neck would increase my hunting success, you can bet I'd do it. Everybody has their own little quirks and practices, and I'm not saying that you shouldn't do what makes you feel good. As hunters, we should take every possible chance to gain an advantage.

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Long story made short;
I bought a new camo jacket.
Wore it out coyote hunting.
Was "seen", "detected" or otheriwse busted! by the first 3 or 4 yotes that came in. I was using an e-caller and there was no reason for them to be looking my way. I was well hid, off to the side. Coyote was approaching as a 90 degree angle to me. They were eyeing me as they were walking towards the caller. Winds were good. I hadn't twitched a muscle. I still got them, but only on the exit.
Bowhunting friend told me about UV killer.
I washed my jacket in it.
Next time out the coyotes weren't eyeing me as they came in.
I'm a beleiver /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
The end!
M
P.S.-How did you know about the chicken bone around the neck thing??? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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I've just killed to many coyotes day and night to beleive all this UV stuff.
I can name some oldtimers " older them me " that killed tons of coyotes with nothing more then a dark colored shirt and or a dark colored jacket and levis on.
You guys can believe what you want, but I ain't buying it.




i believe billythekid is right i know old people that laugh wen they see people all camoed up to go deer hunting
 


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