Video with Audio of the murder of Lavoy

Tnslim

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This is all over Facebook. It's on Talk Network News.

ok, this didn't do what I wanted. There is a video on the shooting with clear audio of the inside of Lavoy's truck. You can plainly hear the words spoken and the shooting with shots hitting the truck after they murdered him. Hopefully somebody on here is better at this computer stuff than I and can post that video. It's the first time I've actually heard the audio of the incident.

http://thewashingtonstandard.com/new-syn...sconduct-video/
 
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Must be true if it's on Facebook. The shooting was ruled justified, thus not murder. It looks like the FBI has a few questions to answer. Sort of surprised they went public. Must not be getting federal cooperation.
 
Originally Posted By: TnslimIMO, it's murder if you shoot a guy in the back.

not if he is engaging another person in front of him.
 
I like how they synced it up to the drone video.

For those that said that isn't drone video.. I have seen a lot of drone video, the information around the screen is there for a reason if you know how to read it. I am not saying that other teams and groups using camera's don't do the same. But if that was a chopper you would have heard it in the video. IMO.

Here the military is forced to admit it. They are using drones in the USA which is against the constitution. If they say 20 times, ha, you can buy that if you want.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio...er-us/81474702/
 
Wait, you mean an FBI agent lied? Did he lie about it to another FBI agent? Isn't that a crime, or does the liar being an FBI agent cancel that out?

Bullet hole on LaVoy Finicum's truck traced to elite FBI team
By Les Zaitz March 08, 2016 at 10:10 AM

BEND – Something didn't seem right about the bullet hole in the top of Robert "LaVoy" Finicum's white Dodge pickup.

Investigators from the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office could account for bullet holes in the left front hood, the driver's side mirror and the front grille. They came from the AR-15 of a state trooper who had fired three times at the truck as Finicum raced at 70 mph toward a police roadblock on Jan. 26.

The angle of a fourth bullet hole didn't match the others.

An elaborate computer analysis, a review of the FBI aerial video of the shooting scene and a video from a passenger in Finicum's pickup produced a result that startled the team poring over evidence into Finicum's fatal shooting that day.

The fourth round, police concluded, was fired by an FBI agent who subsequently twice denied to investigators ever firing his gun. As the investigation proceeded, detectives determined he also fired a second time, but didn't hit anything at the scene.

The discovery of that gunfire and conduct afterward by the agent and four other agents have triggered a criminal investigation that could result in the prosecution of all five. The agents all serve on the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team. Authorities on Tuesday released few details about the matter and didn't identify the agents by name.

But the disclosure is a jolt to the FBI. The Oregon investigators two weeks ago flew to Washington, D.C., to directly brief top FBI officials about their findings. The U.S. Justice Department's Office of Inspector General is now investigating what it said in a statement were "allegations of FBI misconduct." The Deschutes County Sheriff's Office is separately investigating whether agents were justified in using deadly force that day.

As the 41-day takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge unfolded, the violent outcomes of standoffs at Idaho's Ruby Ridge and in Waco, Texas, were on the minds of law enforcement, occupiers and self-styled militia. No one wanted to trigger a confrontation similar to those events, which resulted in the deaths of civilians and led to harsh criticism of federal agents.

Detectives investigating the Finicum shooting questioned the five FBI agents at least twice -- the night of the shooting and 10 days later. Such questioning is standard for officer-involved shootings.

The Hostage Rescue Team is among the FBI's most elite outfits. The members have no other job but to work full time as a SWAT-style group, operating from the FBI base in Quantico, Virginia. The team is the FBI's global resource for anti-terrorism operations, but it also is selectively deployed across the country to deal with hostage situations or other unique crises.

One investigator working on the task force pulled together by the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office reported that he had been told soon after the shooting that two state troopers and two FBI agents had fired. He said the FBI agents approached him later to say they hadn't fired their weapons.

In separate interviews later that night, those two FBI agents and the other three on duty at the shooting scene said they hadn't discharged their weapons and repeated these statements in a second round of interviews Feb. 5 and 6, investigators reported.

The second time, the agents insisted that an attorney be present and that they be given an opportunity to "reference their prior statements" if they were going to be asked questions they had already answered in the first interview.

"Of particular concern to all of us is that the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) operators did not disclose their shots to our investigators or their superiors," said Deschutes County Sheriff Shane Nelson. "Nor did they discuss specific actions they took after the shooting, which are the subject of an ongoing investigation."

Authorities haven't described those "specific actions."

Nelson said "conclusive evidence" about the agents' conduct was presented to U.S. Attorney Bill Williams in Bend on Feb. 18. The next day, the evidence was shown to Greg Bretzing, special agent in charge of the Portland FBI office. On Saturday, Feb. 20, agents from the Justice Department's inspector general and the FBI's Inspections Division traveled to Bend to review the evidence.

Nelson and Dan Norris, the Malheur County district attorney overseeing the shooting investigation, a week later traveled to brief top FBI officials in Washington.

Bretzing said Tuesday, however, that identifying who fired the two shots was unresolved.

Tim Colahan, Harney County district attorney who asked Norris to handle the shooting investigation, said that "we will continue to work to determine how the HRT operators' actions played into the events. We reserve the right, as Oregonians, to hold wrongdoers accountable for their actions."

With the indications of FBI misconduct, the Malheur takeover now carries echoes of Ruby Ridge, which resulted in scathing investigations of the FBI and the eventual conviction of an FBI official. The 1992 siege in Idaho started when police sought to arrest anti-government extremist Randy Weaver. His son and his wife were both shot to death during that operation, as was a U.S. marshal.

The resulting investigations into misconduct and mistakes forced the FBI to overhaul its policy for using deadly force and for how it investigates agent-involved shootings. It also prompted changes in the way the FBI deploys the Hostage Rescue Team.

The Justice Department investigated as did the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Government Information. Both found numerous problems with the FBI's conduct during and after Ruby Ridge. The Senate committee cited a poorly executed search by the FBI for evidence, among other things.

"At least one important piece of evidence – a bullet – was removed and then replaced by FBI agents coordinating the search," the committee found.

"Throughout the course of its many reports, the FBI accorded its own agents undue deference," the report said. "Their stories were accepted at face value and were only rarely subject of probing inquiry."

The committee urged public airings of government misconduct for accountability.

"If our government is to maintain – indeed, even deserve – the trust of the American people, it cannot fear or avoid the truth," the committee said in its final report.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/oregon_standoff_fbi_lie_uncove.html
 
Originally Posted By: azmastablasta

The discovery of that gunfire and conduct afterward by the agent and four other agents have triggered a criminal investigation that could result in the prosecution of all five. The agents all serve on the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team. Authorities on Tuesday released few details about the matter and didn't identify the agents by name.

The U.S. Justice Department's Office of Inspector General is now investigating what it said in a statement were "allegations of FBI misconduct." The Deschutes County Sheriff's Office is separately investigating whether agents were justified in using deadly force that day.


The Hostage Rescue Team is among the FBI's most elite outfits. The members have no other job but to work full time as a SWAT-style group, operating from the FBI base in Quantico, Virginia. The team is the FBI's global resource for anti-terrorism operations, but it also is selectively deployed across the country to deal with hostage situations or other unique crises.

One investigator working on the task force pulled together by the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office reported that he had been told soon after the shooting that two state troopers and two FBI agents had fired. He said the FBI agents approached him later to say they hadn't fired their weapons.

In separate interviews later that night, those two FBI agents and the other three on duty at the shooting scene said they hadn't discharged their weapons and repeated these statements in a second round of interviews Feb. 5 and 6, investigators reported.

The second time, the agents insisted that an attorney be present and that they be given an opportunity to "reference their prior statements" if they were going to be asked questions they had already answered in the first interview.

"Of particular concern to all of us is that the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) operators did not disclose their shots to our investigators or their superiors," said Deschutes County Sheriff Shane Nelson. "Nor did they discuss specific actions they took after the shooting, which are the subject of an ongoing investigation."

Authorities haven't described those "specific actions."

Nelson said "conclusive evidence" about the agents' conduct was presented to U.S. Attorney Bill Williams in Bend on Feb. 18. The next day, the evidence was shown to Greg Bretzing, special agent in charge of the Portland FBI office. On Saturday, Feb. 20, agents from the Justice Department's inspector general and the FBI's Inspections Division traveled to Bend to review the evidence.

Nelson and Dan Norris, the Malheur County district attorney overseeing the shooting investigation, a week later traveled to brief top FBI officials in Washington.

Bretzing said Tuesday, however, that identifying who fired the two shots was unresolved.

Tim Colahan, Harney County district attorney who asked Norris to handle the shooting investigation, said that "we will continue to work to determine how the HRT operators' actions played into the events. We reserve the right, as Oregonians, to hold wrongdoers accountable for their actions."

With the indications of FBI misconduct, the Malheur takeover now carries echoes of Ruby Ridge, which resulted in scathing investigations of the FBI and the eventual conviction of an FBI official. The 1992 siege in Idaho started when police sought to arrest anti-government extremist Randy Weaver. His son and his wife were both shot to death during that operation, as was a U.S. marshal.

The resulting investigations into misconduct and mistakes forced the FBI to overhaul its policy for using deadly force and for how it investigates agent-involved shootings. It also prompted changes in the way the FBI deploys the Hostage Rescue Team.

The Justice Department investigated as did the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Government Information. Both found numerous problems with the FBI's conduct during and after Ruby Ridge. The Senate committee cited a poorly executed search by the FBI for evidence, among other things.

"At least one important piece of evidence – a bullet – was removed and then replaced by FBI agents coordinating the search," the committee found.

"Throughout the course of its many reports, the FBI accorded its own agents undue deference," the report said. "Their stories were accepted at face value and were only rarely subject of probing inquiry."

The committee urged public airings of government misconduct for accountability.

"If our government is to maintain – indeed, even deserve – the trust of the American people, it cannot fear or avoid the truth," the committee said in its final report.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/oregon_standoff_fbi_lie_uncove.html

Wait.. The DOJ and others in Black cases have rushed out and told us the names of the police. Now.. Now they don't want to do that.. double standards.

I also remember being told.. THose are state police not FBI in the black SUVs. It also puts the whole thing in a different light since it's very clear now they pulled a road block despite the group being on it's way to town to turn themselves in to the sheriff and then the FBI pulling this.

All those that were saying this was nothing and not abuse of power.. NOW what do you have to say??

 
please correct me if i'm wrong, but the following statement - especially the section highlighted in red - is in regards to ruby ridge and not the oregon stuff. at least thats the way it reads. if its not, the author of the article handled the transition from the ruby ridge history to the oregon BLM issue reeeeely poorly - because i dont see anywhere in the article (other than here) about evidence being removed and replaced. as such it appears that the author was possibly being intentionally vague to inflame tensions surrounding the oregon issue

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http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/aug/21/timeline-opr-report-ruby-ridge/

this article references said event

Quote:Early April 1993

Assistant U.S. Attorney Howen meets with Special Agent Wages to discuss his trial testimony. Wages informs Howen that the “Y” scenes photographs were taken after the bullets had been removed and replaced. Howen takes notes of this disclosure.
 
The fbi is corrupt to the core. Just like the rest of government. Not sure why people think they are more honest. They get away with any and everything. Just research their scientific folks who testified in their bullet analysis and tire tread cases. Absolute fraud. I would trust the testimony of a crack whoore over a FBI agent.
 
Originally Posted By: skinnyminnyThe fbi is corrupt to the core. Just like the rest of government. Not sure why people think they are more honest. They get away with any and everything. Just research their scientific folks who testified in their bullet analysis and tire tread cases. Absolute fraud. I would trust the testimony of a crack whoore over a FBI agent.

personally, i think the federal law enforcement is MORE corrupt. and my local law enforcement i KNOW is corrupt.
 
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go watch rocky mountain justice, it was filmed in my county. the eagle county sheriff's department violates peoples rights on a regular basis, and on tv!

i do not doubt that it is just as bad or worse with the feds, and other local jurisdictions.
 
Yeah... set a roadblock up on a blind curve then open fire as they come around the corner. Not sure how they intend justifying that shooting, when they had repeatedly told them they were going to the meet the Sheriff and hadn't threatened them in any way.
 
Originally Posted By: littledawgOriginally Posted By: TnslimIMO, it's murder if you shoot a guy in the back.

That is the most ignorant statement I've read on here.


Keep reading Sir, Wood troll will be along shortly.
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