What would be you expectation on groups at 100 yards with a 4x scope. This v-brite scope crosshairs covers the majority of the target bullseye. When I shoot a couple may be an inch to the left then 2 more inch to the right. It’s just tough to actually hit dead on like I can with a bolt action rifle. This on a 10” target. This is on an AR platform. What is your all’s thoughts on this? Took to 50 yards and groups are tight and on the bottom of the bullseye. Wish I had a 75 yard range to see there as well.
Vortex 1-4x26 Crossfire II v-brite expectations
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AWS
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I have shot many sub 1" groups with a 4x scope and a number of them downn in the.3's. If you are shooting groups not sighting in Use a round bulseye and set it in one of the quadrants of the scope and hold so it is just touching the vertical and horizontal crosshairs.
Alot of time I'll use a benchrest target and set the box in the quadrant with the crosshairs just touching the square.
Shooting using the aimpoint in the quadrant you can shoot 4 groups by putting the aimpoint in a differant quadrant for each group.
This is with a Mannlicher stocked Sako Vixen with a Weaver 1-3x20mm scope on 3x at 200 yards, I was holding the orange dot in the upper left quadrant of the scope.
This is a 90 year old German Drilling with a Leupold VX-1 1-4x20mm shotgun sc0pe at 200 yards again with the dot in the upper left quadrant.
A Hungarian Combo gun 12ga/22 Sav. Highpower with a Nikon 1.5-4.5x20mm
At 300 yards again holding the dot in the upper left quadrant(my favorite quadrant to shoot a a single group)
This is with a Weaver K-3 3x scope and a Springfield 840 in 222 Rem. I shot the first three shot group and thought it was a fluke and shot a second group on the lower target, it wasn't a fluke, that oldtimer could really shoot. It had the original trigger, Weaver stamped sidemount, it was in a fajen stock,
This is another German Drilling in 7x57Rimmed with a Weaver K-1.5 1.5x scope at 100 yards.
Low power scopes can shoot very small groups when you learn how to use them and they make some very long shots also.
Most of my rifles carry scopes that range from 1x on the bottom end to 6x on the top and I never feel under scoped. Most never come of the lowest setting.
Alot of time I'll use a benchrest target and set the box in the quadrant with the crosshairs just touching the square.
Shooting using the aimpoint in the quadrant you can shoot 4 groups by putting the aimpoint in a differant quadrant for each group.
This is with a Mannlicher stocked Sako Vixen with a Weaver 1-3x20mm scope on 3x at 200 yards, I was holding the orange dot in the upper left quadrant of the scope.
This is a 90 year old German Drilling with a Leupold VX-1 1-4x20mm shotgun sc0pe at 200 yards again with the dot in the upper left quadrant.
A Hungarian Combo gun 12ga/22 Sav. Highpower with a Nikon 1.5-4.5x20mm
At 300 yards again holding the dot in the upper left quadrant(my favorite quadrant to shoot a a single group)
This is with a Weaver K-3 3x scope and a Springfield 840 in 222 Rem. I shot the first three shot group and thought it was a fluke and shot a second group on the lower target, it wasn't a fluke, that oldtimer could really shoot. It had the original trigger, Weaver stamped sidemount, it was in a fajen stock,
This is another German Drilling in 7x57Rimmed with a Weaver K-1.5 1.5x scope at 100 yards.
Low power scopes can shoot very small groups when you learn how to use them and they make some very long shots also.
Most of my rifles carry scopes that range from 1x on the bottom end to 6x on the top and I never feel under scoped. Most never come of the lowest setting.
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So I just noticed I was shooting a 6” round target. The round center crosshairs covers the bullseye entirely. Should I just shoot with the center dot under the bullseye with the shot making placement in the actual bullseye? Kind of how you would shoot irons sights on a pistol?
Originally Posted By: AWSI have shot many sub 1" groups with a 4x scope and a number of them downn in the.3's. If you are shooting groups not sighting in Use a round bulseye and set it in one of the quadrants of the scope and hold so it is just touching the vertical and horizontal crosshairs.
Alot of time I'll use a benchrest target and set the box in the quadrant with the crosshairs just touching the square.
Shooting using the aimpoint in the quadrant you can shoot 4 groups by putting the aimpoint in a differant quadrant for each group.
This is with a Mannlicher stocked Sako Vixen with a Weaver 1-3x20mm scope on 3x at 200 yards, I was holding the orange dot in the upper left quadrant of the scope.
This is a 90 year old German Drilling with a Leupold VX-1 1-4x20mm shotgun sc0pe at 200 yards again with the dot in the upper left quadrant.
A Hungarian Combo gun 12ga/22 Sav. Highpower with a Nikon 1.5-4.5x20mm
At 300 yards again holding the dot in the upper left quadrant(my favorite quadrant to shoot a a single group)
This is with a Weaver K-3 3x scope and a Springfield 840 in 222 Rem. I shot the first three shot group and thought it was a fluke and shot a second group on the lower target, it wasn't a fluke, that oldtimer could really shoot. It had the original trigger, Weaver stamped sidemount, it was in a fajen stock,
This is another German Drilling in 7x57Rimmed with a Weaver K-1.5 1.5x scope at 100 yards.
Low power scopes can shoot very small groups when you learn how to use them and they make some very long shots also.
Most of my rifles carry scopes that range from 1x on the bottom end to 6x on the top and I never feel under scoped. Most never come of the lowest setting.
Originally Posted By: AWSI have shot many sub 1" groups with a 4x scope and a number of them downn in the.3's. If you are shooting groups not sighting in Use a round bulseye and set it in one of the quadrants of the scope and hold so it is just touching the vertical and horizontal crosshairs.
Alot of time I'll use a benchrest target and set the box in the quadrant with the crosshairs just touching the square.
Shooting using the aimpoint in the quadrant you can shoot 4 groups by putting the aimpoint in a differant quadrant for each group.
This is with a Mannlicher stocked Sako Vixen with a Weaver 1-3x20mm scope on 3x at 200 yards, I was holding the orange dot in the upper left quadrant of the scope.
This is a 90 year old German Drilling with a Leupold VX-1 1-4x20mm shotgun sc0pe at 200 yards again with the dot in the upper left quadrant.
A Hungarian Combo gun 12ga/22 Sav. Highpower with a Nikon 1.5-4.5x20mm
At 300 yards again holding the dot in the upper left quadrant(my favorite quadrant to shoot a a single group)
This is with a Weaver K-3 3x scope and a Springfield 840 in 222 Rem. I shot the first three shot group and thought it was a fluke and shot a second group on the lower target, it wasn't a fluke, that oldtimer could really shoot. It had the original trigger, Weaver stamped sidemount, it was in a fajen stock,
This is another German Drilling in 7x57Rimmed with a Weaver K-1.5 1.5x scope at 100 yards.
Low power scopes can shoot very small groups when you learn how to use them and they make some very long shots also.
Most of my rifles carry scopes that range from 1x on the bottom end to 6x on the top and I never feel under scoped. Most never come of the lowest setting.
AWS
Custom Accessory Maker & Retired PM Staff
I just looked at the specs on your scope and the Illuminated dot covers 1.5" at 100 yards on 4x. It should be pretty easy to make a 1.5" ID black square and just center the dot in the square. I believe the benchrest target shown above has a 2" black box/square on it.
Been a lot of years since I paid any attention, but the HBR guys used to be limited to 6x scopes and they shot bona fide .250" five shot groups quite literally all day long.
Like AWS, I used fixed 4x and then fixed 6x scopes for many years. For myself, the difference in group size I can get with a 4X vs a 32x is less than one tenth of an inch. If I can shoot groups in the .3's with 32x, I can shoot groups in the 4's with 4x.
As he describes, the way to get good groups is to find a particular target you can let your eye naturally center/reference with your particular scope and reticle. For me, I like the 200 or 300 yard benchrest targets and centering on the box. The human eye is fantastic at centering, if there is some visible margin to work with. Or rest on the corners like he does. But whatever works, works, just find whatever that is, for you.
- DAA
Like AWS, I used fixed 4x and then fixed 6x scopes for many years. For myself, the difference in group size I can get with a 4X vs a 32x is less than one tenth of an inch. If I can shoot groups in the .3's with 32x, I can shoot groups in the 4's with 4x.
As he describes, the way to get good groups is to find a particular target you can let your eye naturally center/reference with your particular scope and reticle. For me, I like the 200 or 300 yard benchrest targets and centering on the box. The human eye is fantastic at centering, if there is some visible margin to work with. Or rest on the corners like he does. But whatever works, works, just find whatever that is, for you.
- DAA
Originally Posted By: AWSI just looked at the specs on your scope and the Illuminated dot covers 1.5" at 100 yards on 4x. It should be pretty easy to make a 1.5" ID black square and just center the dot in the square. I believe the benchrest target shown above has a 2" black box/square on it.
I have been trying to find this. Where was it located at?
I have been trying to find this. Where was it located at?