Warranty and customer service
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CWeeks
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Two piece tubes will have more of a problem than a 1 piece most of the time if they are dropped on the bell side of the scope because they are weaker the 2 piece will have a much higher chance of being damaged or tweaked than the 1 piece tube. Other than that the Nikon was surprisingly more clear.
Tim Neitzke
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Originally Posted By: CWeeks I wish I had the the money Tim has to start at VX3's with all his new rifles..
I wish you did too.
I also wish I wasn't working a second job to pay for my stuff !
Buy , Sell,trade and upgrade......
I wish you did too.
I also wish I wasn't working a second job to pay for my stuff !
Buy , Sell,trade and upgrade......
Tim Neitzke
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Yep ,
They still have a warranty no matter how many owners it has.
Good luck with your hunt.
They still have a warranty no matter how many owners it has.
Good luck with your hunt.
SuperSeal110
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Sent (1) Nikon 4-16 tactical for repair a few years ago. The side focus seized up and I wasn't able to turn it.
After countless calls every month, I finally got a replacement after 9 months. I was a huge Nikon fan, till then...
9 MONTHS IT TOOK!
I've sent in 2 Leupold. All back within 10days.
1 was broke when I bought it off Ebay and the seller didn't say anything about it.
1, the powder ring on my 4.5-14 was having a hard time turning, felt as if a O-ring or something broke. Sent it in and was fixed and works great.
After countless calls every month, I finally got a replacement after 9 months. I was a huge Nikon fan, till then...
9 MONTHS IT TOOK!
I've sent in 2 Leupold. All back within 10days.
1 was broke when I bought it off Ebay and the seller didn't say anything about it.
1, the powder ring on my 4.5-14 was having a hard time turning, felt as if a O-ring or something broke. Sent it in and was fixed and works great.
Originally Posted By: CWeeksTwo piece tubes will have more of a problem than a 1 piece most of the time if they are dropped on the bell side of the scope because they are weaker the 2 piece will have a much higher chance of being damaged or tweaked than the 1 piece tube. Other than that the Nikon was surprisingly more clear.
Having destroyed more than my fair share of scopes, never have I had a failure because of a two piece tube. Most of the failures were due to erector/crosshair problems that resulted from dropped/banged rifles. One other scope (a Nikon Monarch) had a broken internal lens. The sling broke while free climbing a tree at 2:00 in the morning trying to knock a coon out alive for the dogs. The rifle fell about fifteen feet and landed in the leaves.
John
Having destroyed more than my fair share of scopes, never have I had a failure because of a two piece tube. Most of the failures were due to erector/crosshair problems that resulted from dropped/banged rifles. One other scope (a Nikon Monarch) had a broken internal lens. The sling broke while free climbing a tree at 2:00 in the morning trying to knock a coon out alive for the dogs. The rifle fell about fifteen feet and landed in the leaves.
John
CWeeks
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Well I hope to not have the same experience superseal had because I chose the Nikon for budgetary reasons but the bigger reason was light transmission of the 2 side by side the Nikon brought in much more light in a low light situation right before dark than the Leupold did....I was shocked at such a noticeable difference.
Evil_Lurker
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Quote:2-piece tubes failing are a non-issue with Leupolds. It doesn't happen.
I saw a brand new Vari-X II fold 20 degrees at the tube junction from just sliding off the wall where it was leaning and hitting the floor. So yes, it does happen.
Now you've heard of one failing.
2 weeks later we had the replacement, no charge.
In today's world, a Vari-X II is about as bright and clear as Nikon's entry-level Prostaff, and inferior to the Buckmaster. Whether Nikon will give you a run-around on warranty issues or not, I'm not sure. I've read of people with widely varying experiences.
Leupold is a good experience every time, no question.
I saw a brand new Vari-X II fold 20 degrees at the tube junction from just sliding off the wall where it was leaning and hitting the floor. So yes, it does happen.
Now you've heard of one failing.
2 weeks later we had the replacement, no charge.
In today's world, a Vari-X II is about as bright and clear as Nikon's entry-level Prostaff, and inferior to the Buckmaster. Whether Nikon will give you a run-around on warranty issues or not, I'm not sure. I've read of people with widely varying experiences.
Leupold is a good experience every time, no question.
Evil_Lurker
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Quote:Other than that the Nikon was surprisingly more clear.
Nikon's been designing optical products for around 90 years. They make their own glass and produced the best 35mm SLR cameras in the world.
If their lenses weren't at least as good as what Leupold buys, I'd be shocked.
Nikon's been designing optical products for around 90 years. They make their own glass and produced the best 35mm SLR cameras in the world.
If their lenses weren't at least as good as what Leupold buys, I'd be shocked.
2muchgun
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Forgive me if I tell you straight up that I don't believe you. I've done much worse than that to them with no troubles. If you want to bet me the price of the scope, we'll buy one and I'll let you drop it 10 times from an upward standing position on to solid concrete and I say you can't bend the tube at the tube junction. I'm game if you are. No B.S.
The VXII may be the top selling scope in America. There are TONS of them out there. Never heard of a tube failure yet. If you were to strike it hard enough to bend the tube on it, you would undoubtedly damage internals also. A one piece tube would be no exception.
Yes, optics have come along way, recently. Lots of cheaper scopes have nice looking glass now. I was never a fan of Vari-XIIs. Don't even own one any more. Very tough scopes with mediocre glass. The VXII, however, has multi-coat 4 and is easily better than a Prostaff, and slightly better than a BM, glass wise, IMO. Both being around 92% light transmission. The Leupold has better contrast and eye relief though, IMO. Also tougher with a better warranty/customer service, IMO.
The part that some don't seem to get, is the Leupold is far better internally. Tougher, more repeatable. If it's not, they'll make it so within 2 weeks time.
I've had a few Monarchs, and don't have any real complaints about them. They've been tough, repeatable, and have good glass. Turrets could be a bit better. So could customer service, from what some have told me.
I'd love to see some of the other brands try to pass the tests Leupold puts their scopes through. Guaranteed MANY would not be up to the task......
The VXII may be the top selling scope in America. There are TONS of them out there. Never heard of a tube failure yet. If you were to strike it hard enough to bend the tube on it, you would undoubtedly damage internals also. A one piece tube would be no exception.
Yes, optics have come along way, recently. Lots of cheaper scopes have nice looking glass now. I was never a fan of Vari-XIIs. Don't even own one any more. Very tough scopes with mediocre glass. The VXII, however, has multi-coat 4 and is easily better than a Prostaff, and slightly better than a BM, glass wise, IMO. Both being around 92% light transmission. The Leupold has better contrast and eye relief though, IMO. Also tougher with a better warranty/customer service, IMO.
The part that some don't seem to get, is the Leupold is far better internally. Tougher, more repeatable. If it's not, they'll make it so within 2 weeks time.
I've had a few Monarchs, and don't have any real complaints about them. They've been tough, repeatable, and have good glass. Turrets could be a bit better. So could customer service, from what some have told me.
I'd love to see some of the other brands try to pass the tests Leupold puts their scopes through. Guaranteed MANY would not be up to the task......
Evil_Lurker
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Quote:Forgive me if I tell you straight up that I don't believe you.
What you "believe" doesn't change reality. Calling me a liar doesn't make me one, either.
It was a brand new scope on my dad's Model 88 and I was the idiot that leaned it against the wall (last time I ever did that).
It didn't "bend the tube at the junction", it totally broke the slip fit between the pieces.
Did that scope have a factory flaw in it? I don't know, we hadn't even taken it out to sight in yet.
Possibly.
I know I've got the twin of it, and it's been on my hunting rifle for almost 30 years now without any problems.
If you want to buy a Vari-X II and do some crash tests on it, be my guest. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't expect me to pay off in either case, since you've already accused me of being dishonest. I'd probably burn you for the bet money too, right?
Try dropping a 10 pound sack of flour right on the objective bell from about 3 feet and tell me what you see. It'll fold, that's a weak design.
What you "believe" doesn't change reality. Calling me a liar doesn't make me one, either.
It was a brand new scope on my dad's Model 88 and I was the idiot that leaned it against the wall (last time I ever did that).
It didn't "bend the tube at the junction", it totally broke the slip fit between the pieces.
Did that scope have a factory flaw in it? I don't know, we hadn't even taken it out to sight in yet.
Possibly.
I know I've got the twin of it, and it's been on my hunting rifle for almost 30 years now without any problems.
If you want to buy a Vari-X II and do some crash tests on it, be my guest. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't expect me to pay off in either case, since you've already accused me of being dishonest. I'd probably burn you for the bet money too, right?
Try dropping a 10 pound sack of flour right on the objective bell from about 3 feet and tell me what you see. It'll fold, that's a weak design.
2muchgun
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I'm tryin' to be civil about this, as we've had enough B.S around here these days.
Keeping that in mind, I'll tell you right now there is no way in heck you could bend that tube at the junction with 2 steel rings reinforcing it less than 5" apart, from a mere 2 ft. slide down the wall. I guarantee you the amount of impact needed to produce said results would not be possible from such a fall. You wanna put some money on it? I'll video tape it with a few members here from Michigan.
Here is a guy throwing his rifle from 3ft in the air, 5-6 ft. in distance on to solid rock. From the pictures, the scope clearly took the brunt of the impact. It is clearly a Vari-XII. It never even lost zero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRRahHX9Zkg&feature=related
I called B.S and you got caught. Plain and simple. If you wanna take the bet, I assure you tests will be conducted in an honest manner......
Keeping that in mind, I'll tell you right now there is no way in heck you could bend that tube at the junction with 2 steel rings reinforcing it less than 5" apart, from a mere 2 ft. slide down the wall. I guarantee you the amount of impact needed to produce said results would not be possible from such a fall. You wanna put some money on it? I'll video tape it with a few members here from Michigan.
Here is a guy throwing his rifle from 3ft in the air, 5-6 ft. in distance on to solid rock. From the pictures, the scope clearly took the brunt of the impact. It is clearly a Vari-XII. It never even lost zero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRRahHX9Zkg&feature=related
I called B.S and you got caught. Plain and simple. If you wanna take the bet, I assure you tests will be conducted in an honest manner......
2muchgun
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Originally Posted By: Evil_Lurker
Try dropping a 10 pound sack of flour right on the objective bell from about 3 feet and tell me what you see. It'll fold, that's a weak design.
Here's a little fact that may comply:
If you dropped a heavy enough sack on the objective bell, of the VX2 or any other scope, for that matter, as long as it was locked up in rings, like your Dad's was, it would fold at the bottom/outside of the ring, not at the tube junction. The ring would keep it from bending any further back. Would you like to dispute this fact?
A forensic scientist you are not.......
Try dropping a 10 pound sack of flour right on the objective bell from about 3 feet and tell me what you see. It'll fold, that's a weak design.
Here's a little fact that may comply:
If you dropped a heavy enough sack on the objective bell, of the VX2 or any other scope, for that matter, as long as it was locked up in rings, like your Dad's was, it would fold at the bottom/outside of the ring, not at the tube junction. The ring would keep it from bending any further back. Would you like to dispute this fact?
A forensic scientist you are not.......
2muchgun
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Originally Posted By: Evil_LurkerI've got the twin of it, and it's been on my hunting rifle for almost 30 years now without any problems
Must be a terribly weak design, as you say............
Ever hear anyone say that about a Nikon? It's fun when you make my own case for me. Keep talkin', I need some more ammo. Wondering just how much more foot your mouth will hold........
Must be a terribly weak design, as you say............
Evil_Lurker
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Quote:Well I hope to not have the same experience superseal had because I chose the Nikon for budgetary reasons but the bigger reason was light transmission of the 2 side by side the Nikon brought in much more light in a low light situation right before dark than the Leupold did....I was shocked at such a noticeable difference.
Wow, look, he reached a decision.
Thread's over, other than watching you talk to yourself.
Carry on.
Wow, look, he reached a decision.
Thread's over, other than watching you talk to yourself.
Carry on.