What AR15 caliber would be best for bear at 300 yrds max

Thank you all for the information..
I believe I am going to go with a 6.8 18 inch 1-11 twist to run the 95gr barnes bullets..
Does that setup look good to go or should I go to a 20 inch barrel?? Again I thank you all.. Dan

One more note.. I priced the brass and ammo for the 25wssm and it was crazy but the dies was reasonable..
 
Originally Posted By: Gman757Originally Posted By: dan158Thank you for the info..
Right now we are not allowed to hunt with semi autos for big game.. But I expect that to change within couple years if not next..

I do have couple browning A bolts 7mm wsm and a 30-06.. Both are factory weight 7.3lbs I believe..I am just enjoying hunting with my ARs for predators that I would like to use for big game also..
And I can use for predators also and have it when and if they become legal to use in my state..

Dan

Am I the only one confused here ?
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In PA, we are one of the last, if not THE last, state(s) that does not allow hunting with semi-auto rifles, until this year when we were permitted to use semi-autos for small game and varmints/predators. Not big game yet. Probably will come to pass that we get to shoot deer/bear/turkeys w/ semi's, but it may or may not happen soon.....VERY traditional state! Sounds like Dan is getting in ahead of the curve. Considering playing with same myself......interesting input here.
 
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The Barnes are showing the test barrel as 24 inch..
If the best barrel length for the powder to be completely burnt 16-18 inches
Wouldn't the extra 6 to 8 inches of barrel length slow the bullet down since the powder is burned up at the 16 to 18 inches??
Or is there still energy to be had from the pressure and a longer barrel than 18 inches would give more velocity??
I want to squeeze as much speed out of every gun I own..Dan
 
There are more factors than just barrel length contributing to velocity, so there is no easy answer here. Longer barrels typically show increases in velocity, than shorter barrels, but one would probably have to buy a long barrel and start cutting off chunks to know for sure. The one ARP barrel I have studied the most, chronographs 95 Gr. TTSX bullets, over Alliant RL-7, at an average of ~2850 FPS MV. Since I am not seeing signs of pressure, I probably could squeeze more out of it, but I stopped when I hit .5 MOA, and no signs of pressure. I started to grow groups sizes above my charge weight, and retreated when I did see hints of ejector prints, on the case heads. I don't chase speed, but itty bitty groups hurt my face from grinning. And given what I saw on the whitetail autopsy, I don't need more velocity. A 2" exit, with a 4" channel of ground bone and tissue under the hide, told me there was plenty of energy at that speed.

Squeeze
 
Originally Posted By: SqueezeThere are more factors than just barrel length contributing to velocity, so there is no easy answer here. Longer barrels typically show increases in velocity, than shorter barrels, but one would probably have to buy a long barrel and start cutting off chunks to know for sure. The one ARP barrel I have studied the most, chronographs 95 Gr. TTSX bullets, over Alliant RL-7, at an average of ~2850 FPS MV. Since I am not seeing signs of pressure, I probably could squeeze more out of it, but I stopped when I hit .5 MOA, and no signs of pressure. I started to grow groups sizes above my charge weight, and retreated when I did see hints of ejector prints, on the case heads. I don't chase speed, but itty bitty groups hurt my face from grinning. And given what I saw on the whitetail autopsy, I don't need more velocity. A 2" exit, with a 4" channel of ground bone and tissue under the hide, told me there was plenty of energy at that speed.

Squeeze

Good points Squeeze. Years ago, an old gun-writer actually did take a rifle with a 24" barrel and chronographed a bunch of different loads. Then he cut and crowned it an inch shorter and repeated the testing. His results showed exactly what I have been telling customers for years. That is there is no "formula" for velocity loss "per inch". His findings were all over the board, and if you have QuickLoad, you can see why. Every powder has a different pressure-curve. Where you cut the barrel with respect to that curve is going to dictate what you will lose for velocity.

He also found that it was not linear. That also makes perfect sense, because again, you are cutting into a curve that isn't linear by any means. You may start out by loosing 50 FPS/inch, but at some point, that number is going to start to climb rapidly, as you cut into the high-pressure part of the burning curve.

Bore diameter VS. case capacity will tell you a lot. Small bore, moderate case capacity = long barrel. Large bore, moderate case capacity = short barrel.
 
Based on guiding for bear in Maine for 17 years and seeing LOTs of bears killed with many different calibers I would not recommend a 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel or smaller caliber (despite what Blaine Anthony uses).

450 Bushmaster, 458 SOCOM or an AR10 308 would be much better choices.
 
Originally Posted By: Gman757
Bear?

These things are a PITA. They tear up my feeders and when they show up the hog hunting is over because they won't leave until I run them off to get to my truck.

Time stamp incorrect.... 12/14/2017 5:30am.

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Anyone know if hogs are a tougher to kill than bears?? Bear don't seem that tough to kill.. Its just getting that bullet thru the fat on a really big ones and their vitals are more forward.. Dan
 
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