What mid priced scopes track the best?

Rick James

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Just curious. knockemdown's review on the WOTAC got me thinking...........there seems to be VERY little info out there with unbiased reviews on scope tracking for mid range scopes (I consider $250-500 mid range).

I've seen 2muchgun post that Weaver Classic's track great, I'm curious about other scopes in the higher power range, variable that will top out in the 18-24 range. Seems that there are a lot of opinions on this, but very little hard data.

I'd love to learn more about the Nikon Monarch's, the Bushnell's, Sightron, etc..........anyone have first hand experience or test scopes in this price range?
 
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Ditto on the Weavers.
I have and had a number of Weaver V-16's on air rifles in the past and they were very good at tracking. The last Weaver I bought was a fixed 4x for my son's Marlin 336, 30-30. It is economical and tracks well too.
 
The last Leupold Mark4 I bought was $425 and tracks straight as an arrow.....you have to love buying used scopes.

I picked up a Nikon Monarch fixed 6x42 awhile back. I think they quit making that scope, but it was in the $250 range. It holds zero very well, and returns to zero after a day of spinning the adjustments.

My Leupold VX-II's and VariX-III's all track like they should. All of mine have had a trip to leupold to have either Target turrets or M1's installed. That's the extent of my "mid-priced" scope battery and all fall in your quoted price range.

I'd like to come across a good deal on one of the fixed 24x weavers for load development, I just like buying used glass instead of shelling out cash for new and I haven't quite came across a good enough deal on one.....yet.
 
Well since i finally found one that works for my eyes/glasses, i would say take a look at the millett 4-16x56. You can find it at swfa. I made a post of mine here in the next colum. I also have to say that whats good glass depends on whose looking through it and their eyes. blue
 
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Weaver Grand Slam...

Here's an article I did on mine, with instructions on how to mount it and mark the turrets for dialing shots...

http://practicalrifler.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=153&highlight=weaver+grand+slam

Dan



Great article. Have you ever done a box test with your grand slam?

What is the difference between the Grand Slams and the Classic V's? The Classic V 6-24x42 w/ Mil-Dot's looks really attractive, but it will be on a ground hog gun that will see out to 500 yard shots, and I really want to know it will dial correctly.
 
I have the Classic V 6-24 mildot.

I'd say for the money it is pretty good. It is not as bright as the grand slam, but I think that is due to the magnification.

I've used it to look at deer in some low light conditions when it was the only optics I had. I thought it was pretty decent.

I have not done any box tests or repeatability tests.

My only complaint is the mildot reticle is very thick and heavy, which doesn't hurt anything, its just annoying.
 
My Nikon Buckmasters 6-18x40SF tracks very well for mid-range shooting. I use it out to 300 a lot and out to 500 pretty often. They're about $350, less if you find a sale.
 
The standard Weavers don't have the Micro-Trac turrets. The target scopes and the Grand Slams do, and that's what makes them so good at tracking properly.

I have not box tested my GS, but it has been pretty amazing with how well it tracks vertically, then back to zero. I rarely dial in windage, opting rather to keep an "inches per 1 mph of wind" chart, and I just hold off for windage when shooting at live targets. It is a simple matter to calculate inches per 1 mph wind hold-off, so this is why I make my charts this way.

One thing about doing a reliable box test, is you need to be sure that you're giving the scope a fair shake by beginning with the erector centered.

You can center the erector by holding the scope's objective against a mirror (with the scope off the rifle this is easier, or use your wife's compact mirror if the scope is mounted already), and seeing the two sets of crosshairs when you look into the eyepiece. Note: you have to let a little light in, so hold the mirror about 1/4 to 1/2 inch away from the objective)... One set of crosshairs is the reflected image, the other set is the actual crosshairs. You then dial the elevation and windage turrets until the images of the crosshairs converge together. The erector will then be at center, both horizontal and vertical. Experiment with this with an old scope, held against the bathroom mirror and you'll see what I mean...

Anyway, if the erector is dialed off too far to one side in order to establish your zero (this often happens with bases which are not windage adjustable, and have been drilled a bit off), then during your 10 MOA or greater box test, you may actually be forcing the erector into contact with the inside of the scope tube, and it will stop moving linearly and perhaps even veer a bit (up or down for windage adjustments, or left or right for elevation adjustments) as it follows the curve of the scope tube.

For my part, I am most interested in the elevation tracking, and not so much the windage. Realize that when you dial a lot of windage into a scope, you are pressing the erector well off to one side. This will limit the distance that the erector can travel up and down. 30mm scopes have an advantage here, by the way, as they have more room for the erector to move. 30mm tubes do not transfer any more light than a 1 inch tube.

Anyway, the above can often explain why a box test seems to show that a scope is lacking, when in fact it may not be lacking for all practical uses.

Look that this article I did on the PR forum... it may help explain things a bit better with some pictures. :]

http://practicalrifler.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=38

One last thing... knockemdown's test in that other thread was done well, and those inconsistencies do appear to be a problem in the scope itself (as he suggests), not the mounting.

Dan
 
Weaver Classic V10 and Sightron SII 4-14x42mmAO(Big Sky now). Both have been great. Another that has been real good is a Pentax w/ ballistic plex reticule on a 6.5x55. Dead on from 0 to 325 yards. Perfect Eastern hunter.
 
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One thing about doing a reliable box test, is you need to be sure that you're giving the scope a fair shake by beginning with the erector centered.
Dan



Good point...
For those who are familiar with the process, you can "spin center" your scope in the rings to get the erector to it's natural center also. It takes but a minute...

I don't have any problem with scopes being mounted off center on my custom rifles since the actions are trued and squared, the barrels are straight and I use top notch mounts. It's amazing how dead on these guns bore sight right from the get-go with a spin centered scope (exception for canted bases) The 'off center' erector issue can surely be problematic with a factory rifle or from shoddy 'smith work...

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Anyway, the above can often explain why a box test seems to show that a scope is lacking, when in fact it may not be lacking for all practical uses.

Dan




But if a scope can't pass a simple box test, what good is it, in all practicality?? Internals are what truly separates the better scopes from the lesser. High end optics use precision machined internals and offer LOTS of travel. That is a major limiting factor in many low-mid priced scopes and probably why they flunk a simple box test. For comparison, my NXS scopes offer up to 110 MOA vertical and 80 MOA horizontal /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif They all run the box test like they own it...

More importantly, crappy internals are MUCH more subject to be knocked out of ZERO. Especially when they are already compromised by being at the edge fo their limits. Most any impact will jarr them loose. Usually this is discoverd upon missing an 'easy shot' and then confirming that the scope has lost ZERO. We've ALL heard that story before and it absolutely drives me NUTS /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

All too often we hear the 'who has better glass' debate. The 'make or break it' issue for me is repeatability. I'd rather have a proven repeatable scope I can trust on my stick than one with slightly 'better' glass...

If I don't have faith in my gear, then I simply won't use it.

A scope that won't track is like a watch that can't keep time...USELESS

From my own observations, mid priced scopes are 'hit & miss' when it come to their repeatability. If you don't test them, you'll never know what you've got...

I test ALL of my scopes before I use them. If they don't pass my criteria, they get the boot...
 
I have heard from the benchrest crowd that the Sightron scopes have excellent tracking. we all know how those benchrest guys are though. I like mine just fine. Lee
 
OK, here's what I've taken to using:

It's a Sutter 6-24X50 wit a 30mm tube and an illuminated hunting dot rec. with side paralax and comes with mounts, spare battery, cleaning cloth and a nylon carrying pouch. The build quality is very good the ill. switch is a little stiff but the parallax is smooth. Elevation and windage turrets give positive and audible clicks. Optically it is clear and I would put alongside scopes such as the Burris signature series, I have taken foxes out to 280meters with it a night with a lamp so it gathers light quite well.I really like the ill. dot rec. as it allows you place and pick your aim point nice and quick:
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The dot does not flare and is small enough to use on targets.
It tracks very well and true. This is a 200 meter target where I was zeroed 1" low @200 and clicked up for a 200 meter zero with my .223:

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And a 200 meter group with the same combo:
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Yes the wind picked up, right to left.

This is the scope on my CZ 452:
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The down side is the turret box is large and with rifles with small actions it can be hard to fit a scope mounted lamp.The rings it comes with I would not use on heavier cal.'s.

The price was €130 and €20 shipping that's equal to about $170 and I don't know the shipping rate to the US.

PJ
 
Thanks guys, just ordered the Weaver Grand Slam 6-20x40 with the Varminter Plex. I'll do a report on it once I have the gun together and some loads worked up.

Just bought an entire setup along with new stock, glass, mounts, rings, 100 cases, bullets, along with a 12fv in .204. Hopefully it shoots......... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 


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