What would you build????

Originally Posted By: BOBTAILSOriginally Posted By: OK243Originally Posted By: BOBTAILSThats cause the 6x47 is a much more efficent round when put up against a plain 243

That's my point. Would the 22x47 not be just as much more efficient than a 22-243?

It would I'm just not wanting several steps to neck down and turn necks.

The initial neck down is two steps but you should not have to turn necks but that depends on the reamer used.
 
I don't understand how anything can be point blank to 400 yards for coyote hunting. That's asking for a bullet to rise less than 3.5" total from muzzle to target.

(7" kill zone/2)

Say a gun shoots half moa consistently with your hunting load, and then you've got a 28.5% decrease in your hit to miss ratio right off the bat.
 
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Originally Posted By: BOBTAILSMore and more I think I may have to go back to 24" tube and run unsuppressed.

Unsuppressed- that's close to blasphemy!
 
Originally Posted By: BOBTAILSMore and more I think I may have to go back to 24" tube and run unsuppressed.
That's just asking to be waterboarded!!
 
Rob,
Some good advice here from lots of folks, but DAA nailed down for ya.

I have pounded the keyboard on QuickLoads and can find no load combination with a 22" tube that will produce 3300 fps from a 22-243 and 75gr A-max. Close at about 3280fps but that's it. Real world might be a bit different but I bet not by much.

Here is what I know. I recently bought a 700 VS with factory H.S stock, 26" barreled 22-250 specifically for running the 53gr V-max close to 4000fps with Lapua brass. I could only safely produce 3900fps with that combination, which is close enough. Same desires as you, laser like trajectory. It's fabulous for that, and while I've only killed a couple coyotes with it, it has been a long running grin. That is until I had put about 400 rounds down it and did my first inspection with the Hawkeye. Bad news. I now have about a good 2" of fire cracking. That includes the whole leade. I would say I am half way there on that tube. So maybe 800rds is possible. Not cool for a $800.00 gun. I will now pull the throttle back pretty far and find something enjoyable to shoot.

On the other hand I have a newly minted 6x47L in 8 twist that I have stood on hard with 80gr and 105gr bullets, mostly 105 A-max. Those 105's slice through the wind with boring predictably. I have about 300rds down that tube and the Hawkeye says I have maybe 1/4 inch of fire cracking.

I've played with various 22 hot rods, and in the end of my experience, I have come to appreciate the 6 bore. Better barrel life, much better bullet selection, better bc's across the board. Plus the x47 case is already "improved" and feeds better through a SA action with its 30* shoulder and slightly shorter case length when using those heavy long sexy, high B.C bullets. Really the x47 case is an improvement on the .308 case design.

If you must go .224, I would look hard at the x47L case. Neck down could be done in one step. 6.5 isn't much more than .243. And so what if it did take two steps, you would only do it once.

I would stick with the 6 bore. You have a 6x47L. What do you think the 22-243 with 75's will do that the x47L won't do? Once you go custom, the 243win, and it's parent case, is very yesterday. IMO, IMHE.

Just set it up with zero turn neck. The x47L is imroved, so No special fire forming from there and no neck turning.
 
Originally Posted By: CZ527I don't understand how anything can be point blank to 400 yards for coyote hunting. That's asking for a bullet to rise less than 3.5" total from muzzle to target.

(7" kill zone/2)

Say a gun shoots half moa consistently with your hunting load, and then you've got a 28.5% decrease in your hit to miss ratio right off the bat. Muzzle 4100 1941
100 3710 1589 2.3
200 3354 1299 3.6
300 3026 1057 1.8
400 2722 856 -3.9
I do not have my gun sighted in like this, but here is an example.
His original question was about no hold over, not center mass, if coyote is close aim bottom 1/3 of coyote if pushing 400 aim top 1/3 of coyote.
 
I would not worry about Rob, cooking a barrel. He'll get bored and sell it first.
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I've had and tried a lot of different cartridges through the years, and have settled on the 6x47 Lapua for my #1 coyote getter. 105 Bergers at 3030 in a 22" barrel does it all for me.

Most of the ones I can recall:

22" 22 Dashers w/40 BT's at 4200.

22" 6 Dasher w/95 VLD's at 3060

22" 6 Dasher w/105's at 2940

26" 22-243 w/55's at 4100 or 40's at 4600

23" 22-250 Ackley w/75's at 3500

26" 6-284 w/ 105's at 3400

23" 6-284 w/ 107's at 3300

23" 6.5x47 Lapua w/130's at 2820

22" 22-204 w/75's at 3075

22" 6x47 Lapua w/105's at 3030

20" 6x47 Lapua w/105's at 3050

Current #1 coyote smacker:

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Originally Posted By: OK243Why did you go back to 22" of you were getting 20 fps more with 2" less barrel?
Those aren't max velocities, that's where the best accuracy was at.

Also, the 22" "Ultimate Coyote Gun" was built a couple years ago. The 20" is just the latest, built as a lightweight with a 20" mountain rifle barrel.
 
Originally Posted By: SmokelessTim, I've noticed that about Rob. He has (has had) some neat toys though!
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I still have alot of neat toys that I'll never part with. I keep trying ARs, but I'm more of a bolt guy so when my AR that is listed sells I'll be chasing this new gun down
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I agree with that Rob.

Ever thought about a switch barrel set up? Up front cost is more, sure, but the long term might be worthwhile. Straight forward Rem 700 style, no barrel nut. That way if one doesn't work out you can sell the barrel and screw on the backup. Just a thought.
 
Originally Posted By: DAAThe 75 Amax @ 3300 isn't exactly a point and shoot to 3-400 though. Not even close, really. Can play with the numbers some, site height makes a real difference, but using a standard 1.5 site height and even allowing for a 5000' altitude, you're not even getting point and shoot to 300. Zeroed for MPBR on a 4" target (240 yards), your 8" low at 300, 19" low at 400. That's a long ways from what I thought you said you wanted?

If you really want point and shoot to 350, you're going to have to think velocity, which means lighter bullets.

You'll also need to think about terminal performance too though. As a for instance, just running a .20 caliber 32 Vmax at 4500 fps is plenty flat, point and shoot, but from my not inconsiderable experience with that exact combo, it's totally suck azz coyote killing load. The big twenties are what I struggled with the most, getting decent terminal performance on coyote to go with the laser flat trajectory. Have two combos that both work though. One is pushing a custom and quite sleek 38 gr. at ~4250 fps, the other is launching the 39 BK at 4400 fps. I really though the BK at that velocity would be a major failure, but, it surprised me. Just have to go out and kill some coyotes and see for yourself with this stuff.

Some other combos I run to do what you were talking about - point and shoot to over 300, or, to put it the way I normally talk about it, going all out for extreme MPBR, are a .17 30 gr. @ ~ 4100 fps and a 6mm 55 NBT @ ~4200 fps.

All of these get you out around 325 to 350 MPBR on a 4" target, a hundred yards further "point and shoot" than the 75 Amax @ 3300. No comparison, really. They run about 6" low at 400. Still better than your proposed combo does at 300.

To really get what I thought you said you wanted, I'd run a 12 twist in the .22-243 and try the 55BT. If you can get it in the neighborhood of 4100 from a 22" barrel, which, I just can't say, but if you can, it will put you right there with most of the combos I have that are mentioned above. And that bullet, at that velocity, is a well proven terminal performer on coyote.

Just idle ramblings. Not really trying to talk you, or anyone else into anything. I've shot a ton of 75 Amax at 3200 to 3500 fps, it's neat, cuts wind almost like magic. Has plenty of useful applications. But, an MPBR monster, it ain't...

- DAA
don't know about 20 cal blitzkings but when I ground all the different 22 cal bullets I had the sierras always had the thickest jackets, gameking, varmint, match, blitz. maybe that is why the 20 BK's work.
 
Originally Posted By: BOBTAILSOriginally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeSorry, Rob.. I had to do it.
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It's all good.


Whatever Rob does in fact build, it'll be top notch
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Originally Posted By: Buster HindendOriginally Posted By: BOBTAILSOriginally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeSorry, Rob.. I had to do it.
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It's all good.


Whatever Rob does in fact build, it'll be top notch
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thanks bud!
 
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