Which are the five greatest predator cartridges of all time?

As a kid 30yrs ago, I can remember my father's varmint hunting/shooting stories. Seems like the "hero" of these stories was one of three characters, THE HORNET, THE DEUCE,or THE SWIFT. Just by shear numbers you have to throw in the .223 and the 22-250. But what about the .17Rem, 218 Bee, 219 Wasp, 204Ruger? Guess I have at least 6 more rifles to buy, just to make sure I haven't missed the greatest predator cartridge of all times....darn the bad luck!
 
Of course ones interpitation of all time is subjective I personally would not include the 204 ruger as a outstanding or notable predator cartridge I see it as a varmint cartridge and a good one but it tries to be a jack of all trades and from my experience with it failed at that so my list would be as such
25-06,243 win.,220 swift,22-250 and the 223
 
222, 223, 22/250, 243, and 25/06

No doubt that the 25/20, 218 Bee, 22 Hornet are worth a mention, but I believe that a good predator cartridge needs the knock down power to anchor a yote at 200 yards.

204 has not proved itself yet, no doubt that it will be in the running as bullet selection improves. Too many people are having trouble with surface explosions at this point, which will no doubt be fixed in the near future. All the 204 needs is a soft point bullet in a 40g wt and watch how people's reactions to the cartridge change.

It is really wierd, but if any major manufacturer were to start making factory ammo and chambering in repeater, factory rifles for the 6 BR, it would have an immediate HUGE following due to the accuracy and speed of this cartridge.

I have had 4 factory 17 Remingtons, and they were too much trouble and work to ever list them in the greatest of any thing but a Pain in the butt. The custom 17 Remington was a joy to work up loads for and shoot.
 
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222, 223, 22/250, 243, and 25/06



ackleymans' picks are probably the best and most common when a fella wants a predator round. His picks cover all the bases /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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LA lights tennis shoes were popular in the 80s too. Did you sport that fad too???? I think plently of people would say the 218 bee, 219 zipper, etc were very popular if not more in their time. How many major manuf. do you see making them now??? Im not saying the 204 ruger isnt a good cartiage but how can you compare it to the others than have lasted 4-6 decades or longer??? Its a out right fact that you cannot!!!



I have to throw my hat in with BHLBAMA.
The question was, "of all time". The 204 appears to be an outstanding round, TODAY. But, it hasn't been around long enough to warrant entry to the list of cartridges "of all time". The guy who answered 22-250 about four times was probably very close to the truth.
Not having been a predator hunter all my life, I really don't what the five best rounds were, "of all time". But, I would bet the 204 wouldn't be on the list. Rounds like the two that BHLBAMA would be higher on the list by a wide margin than the 204. The 219 Donaldson Wasp would get lots of votes too, along with the 22 Hornet, the first of the hot 22 rounds back in the 1930's. One other thing, and that is, the 257 Roberts was THE ultimate long range varmint round of yesteryear. My Step dad, when he returned from WW II, had a custom 257 Roberts built as his first of many custom rifles built for long range predator and varmint hunting in Pennsylvania. It was an 11 pound rifle that shot extremely well and I saw him make some spectacular long range kills with it back then as a kid. He used a Unertl 8x target/varmint scope, and a set trigger.
I wish I could say with authority what were the five greatest predator cartridges of all time were, but I can't.
I'd have to wing it and say that the 22-250 is probably at the top of the heap, with the 22 Hornet, 218 Bee, 219 Zipper, 219 Donaldson, 223, 243, and 257 Roberts somewhere in the mix. I had my first of many 22-250's built in 1960, with 6 mm Remington custom built in 1968.

Martyn



This was also the first thing that I thought the question is of all time the .204 has only been out a few years I don't know if that fits into the "of all time" catogory just yet. A good round none the less.
.223
.222
22-250
.243
.17 Rem?
 
My vote is 17 Rem, 22 long rifle, 223 Rem, 22/250, and, of course, the great 220 Swift.

Must not leave out the lowly 22 rimfire. It may have accounted for more varmints than all the others put together. My personal varmint count (mostly ground squirrels) over the years has to be in the 10's of thousands with it alone.
 
After reading all the replies, I think that perhaps a better question to a group of seasoned predator hunters is: What are your 5 favorite (or whatever number) predator cartridges of all time?

One of my favorites that has not been mentioned much is the 6mm Remington.

Landrum
 
personally what I look for is a cartridge that will anchor a coyote with a less than perfect shot has enough power to penetrate into the vitals at "My" ranges "I" encounter in "My" woods or fields so for me a compromise.I want a fast hard hitting round capable of delivering a heavy or heavier bullet at "My" ranges enter the 220 swift I would also comment that the 22-250 is a close second and I had one but was drawn to the swift so I sold it and graduated to the 220. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
yeah guys what about the 12 guage. and what about the 25-06?
both are good rounds but I usually find myself grabbing my 22-250 instead just seems to be the norm.
 
"Of all time..."; is a big order to fill by any cartridge...

If sheer numbers of "kills" were the criteria... the list would "hands down" include the 12ga and the .22LR. Without a doubt, the vast number of "varmint/predator" kills were, and still are, opportunistic events. For all of my youth there was a .22LR and a 12ga. behind the kitchen door of virtually every farm house in rural central Illinois. They were there to protect the chicken house and barnyard, and they got used! Farther west the .44-40 and the .30-30 replaced the .22 or was added to the list. But, "kills" alone are not the criteria or we would probably have to include the "Ford" (or some other automobile/truck brand).

I think that it has to be defined more in terms of "effective longevity". A kind of "which one has been doing it well for a long, long time", to be recognized as a "greatest cartridge... of all time". And, for our purposes it is probably not focused on opportunitic kills, but rather on purposeful "hunting" of varmints and predators.

Historically and up to the present day, a long long list of cartridges have had their moment in the sun... The .218Bee the Wasp... even the .244 Remington (and my favorite cartridge of all time the .257R) have all been "stars" on the stage at some point in tme. But, it is like this... in my opinion, who started out "way back then", and from among that list, who is still on the stage, maybe not the star of the moment (the .204 certainly has its great start recognized, but will it be there in another 50 years?).

So, here goes, first on my list is the .22LR. It is a "been there and done that" cartridge, and is at the top of the "greatest of all time list" of mine. First of all it has been around and doing a job from almost the day we switched from rocks to guns. Second, I bet the vast majority of us shot our first "varmint/predator" with a .22LR, and own a darn fine one right now and include it on our list of "have to own" rifles (and pistols also).

Second, the .22 Hornet. Again, it was "(re)invented" about 1930 (a modernized .22WCF) and is still commercially available and efficiently doing the job within its limitations. 75 years of being on the stage as one of the chosen is proof enough of its deservig of recognition. Come on, admit it; you either have one or want one and you know it "works". Besides, it is a sleek looking little cartridge and factory rifles come in such "cool" looking actions! This one also gets a lot of "style points" for nostalgia because to a large extent it is the "mother load" (nice pun, huh?) of varmint hunting. It was introduced to cater to a desire for a specific cartridge and rifle combination to appeal to a hunter who was specificlly targeting "varmints".

Third, a round from about 1950 and still enjoying some popularity, the .222 Remington. (I am aware that this is a tough call and might be the most controversial inclusion on my list). No question, that some newer cartridges can do it better and this one my be later eclipsed by another cartridge of more moden vintage and get pushed off my list. But, for now I must include it. It was and is such an outstanding performer in the accuracy departmnet that it would be included on that basis alone. My own, a 1968 vintage Sako Vixen will still produce an occassional .35" group with these old eyes and hands. It has, for me and countless others killed more "varmints and predators" than any rifle I now own. I do not feel handicapped until I have pushed it past 300 yards, and that doesn't happen for me very often. I also know that better shooters than me can get it to do well past 450-500 yards. So, for now it sits in third place.

Fourth, another .22... The .22-250. This is probably by sheer numbers, today, the most popular varmint cartridge or at least tied with the 5th. It fits every criteria of greatness I can conjure up. It is accurate out to incredible ranges. It is effective out to the same incredible ranges. It is easy to load and relatively forgiving in choices of powder and bullets (fools like me are successful with a lot of "concoctions", so it is fun to own). As many more years pass, this round is likely to become the "greatest" of the "greatest", if not already so...

Fifth, is a "tie". (Cheap way for me to get to have six cartridges...LOL) But, these two are in my opinion tied at the moment. Maybe one or the other (or both) will replace one of the first four. So, "Fifth Place I" goes to the .223. Ballistically it is not quite the .22-250 but it is superior to the .222 and still extremely versatile. And, chambered in all of the "AR" rifles it has to be included. It, too, fills all of the requirements; accurate, efficient and effective. "Fifth Place II" goes to the .243. While not as efficient (in my book that does mean "cheap" to load), it is accurate and effective. And, if the "beware of a man with only one gun" rule has applicability, that guy might want to be armed with a .243. You can scratch off "varmints" at incredible ranges in the morning and sit a deer stand in the evening without changing rifles. That is a big plus. It has been around snce about 1955 and still sells incredibly well. Can you say, "longevity" along with "versatility"? That there is an incredible array of bullets available to loaders shows that the bullet manufacturers share my respect for this cartridge.

And, oh how I wish it had been "ten"... Honorable mention (in no particular order) goes to the .22 Magnum Rimfire, the .220 Swift, the .25-06, the .257 Roberts and, the .221 Fireball (for bringing the pistol into the 20th Centiry as a long range Varmint Hunter's tool).

Alas, one final comment, opinions, like "you know what" are a commodity owned by everyone... And, like its counterpart, it might just be producing "####"... So, dn't think that this long dissertation is anything more than the distilled experiences of a very fallible thinker. But, what a great question.
 
Depending on your definition of "predators" and going on the "been there, done that". you have to include or look at.

.30-30
.30/06
.308
.223
.45-70
.45 ACP
.12 GA

As our young men and women in various uniforms have used these to a degree of success throughout the ages.
 
If "predators" include the one that stand up... Yup, my list is real short... .45ACP and the .308, have been with me when I was "there and doin". I have to add the .223 to the list, but I didn't like it then and for that purpose, don't like it now!
 
If you want all time greats, there are but a few that fill the bill:

tie for 1st: 22-250 & 12 ga

2nd: 223
3rd: 243

Others:

220 Swift: been up and down since it was created

204 Ruger: is probably too new for all time (I have one and think it will make it).

222 Rem: is pretty much dead as far as new guns (although a great round, probably better than the 223)

30-06: the one with probably the most yote kills but isn't really a purpose build predator cartridge.

Or my favorite 5:

1) 204, 220 Swift, 12 Ga, 22-250, 222 Rem
 
all of the above but i think that the greatest predator cartridges are 223 and 22-250.. the 220 swift if ammo wasnt expensive unless you reload..
 
I would have to say from a history stand point it would probably be in order of the 12 ga,.22 Hornet, 220 Swift, 22-250, .243, and the .223.

As far as my choices it would be the 12 ga, .17 Rem, .22 Hornet, .223, 220 Swift, 22-250, .243, and 25-06.
 
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