which Tikka 22-250

Originally Posted By: jk2paintworxAll of you Tikka haters are not giving any reasons of why you dont like em.
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I am assuming that its because you own something else..?? Seems like everybody that owns or has shot one has nothing but good things to say.

OK here goes. I hope you appreciate this JK2P.
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And I don't wanna hear ANY crying from the Tikka guys, or see pics of targets that their Tikkas shoot that they somehow figure other rifles won't. BTDT.

If any care to disagree, categorically, that's cool. I'm all ears. Start the other BS, and I may just be less than nice to you
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This is to help out the OP who ASKED for reasons.

Some facts, with some personal opinions/experiences tossed in:

I have shot Tikkas, Savages, Vanguards, Americans(1), Marlins (1), Howas, Rem 700 ADLs, etc. etc. Rifles that sell for LESS than Tikkas. IMO, they all offer MORE for your money. Every last one of them is capable of fine accuracy. ALL of them. Have seen it with my own 2 eyes. I have owned a Vanguard 22-250 for decades. I will happily place money against any and all comers with their Tikka 22-250s. It drives roofing nails (literally). That's what I use for "targets".
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Tikka 22-250 facts/opinions/dislikes:

---One action length. S/A chamberings (22-250) utilize a bolt stop. For myself, kind of a big deal. I just don't like it at all. YMMV

---Plastic bolt shroud. It has been well documented that they can break and many replace them

---Plastic trigger guard

---Plastic magazine

---A free floating chunk of aluminum they call a "recoil lug". On larger calibers they have failed, and Beretta seems to like to deny a problem exists. Either way , it is a 5¢ part and a BAD idea IMO. My jaw dropped first time I took a Tikka T3 out of the stock. And the "lug" fell on the floor. A very BIG no thanks on this one

---Enclosed receiver. Kinda a pain, not end of the world. Take the top strap off, and receiver would no be rigid enough. Done to cut weight/shave cost

---Hollow tupperware stock. Tupperware is tupperware and some others use it as well. But they don't cost what the Tikka costs

---Highest price tag of rifles mentioned

---Absolutely some of the worst customer service in the firearms industry IME. Beretta is a HUGE PITA to deal with. Replacement parts are way overpriced and wait times are long. I have dealt with them over some Sakos and shotguns, and don't want to do so ever again

---They are FUGLY IMO. Too Euro looking, and plasticky. Personal opinion only, of course.

Sooooooo. That's my take. Compare them part by part, and I feel they are in no way a solid value, or how Beretta can justify the higher price tags. You get less for more money. The others shoot comparably well, offer steel over plastic in many cases, real recoil lugs, and are backed by American companies who put Beretta to shame in the CS dept.

You can get a Ruger American with a USA made Redfield scope for the price of a Tikka. I myself cannot see a single reason why somebody wouldn't. I also like the 700s & Vanguards as well. Very good actions/shooters IMO.......
 
Out of everyone that I've met they've all preferred their Tikka's over there other firearms, literally the only rifle that comes close to my Tikka, is my mates T/C Dimension, and anothers T/C Venture. Whats the good in buyer a slightly cheaper alternative when you have to replace an entire trigger mechanism, put more money to change the stock, bed it so it shoot's as well as a Tikka etc... People complain about the plastic bolt shroud, trigger guard, and magazine, the polymer its made of is bloody strong, unless I deliberately tried to break it, it wouldnt happen. It could break if you dropped it from a great height onto rocks or fell on it with all of your weight, but you should never be putting yourself in that scenario anyway. Literally the only thing I dont like about my Tikka, is that the case mouths get dented when i roughly handle the bolt. That's it. If you purchuse a Tikka, I guarantee that you'll be happy.
 
JC-----If you are going to compare, compare it to something. Right now you are making gross generalizations.

What triggers did you have to replace?

What rifles did you have to bed?

What rifle is only slightly cheaper?
 
Do you realize how cheap the plastic is to produce? Do you realize what they charge for it?

Plastic would be fine if the price reflected it. It doesn't...
 
http://shopruger.com/Ruger-American-Rifle-5-Round-Magazine/productinfo/90440/

Notice the last review.

http://shopruger.com/Ruger-American-Rifle-4-Round-Magazine-Short-Action/productinfo/90436/

Two not so very good reviews and one good one.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-396838.html

Just more opinions and ideas from the unknowing. One comment by rbernie less than half way down the page states very clearly that there is a difference in quality between a casual use rifle and a hard use rifle, but each rifle has their place in the scheme of things.

 
Originally Posted By: JellyCannonHaha, seriously? We're both making generalizations based off personal preference, get over it.

I'd say I was just a wee touch more in-depth/specific than you were.

In other words, you have no specifics to offer. That's fine. I'm used to it. And "over" it.

And I've wasted more time discussing a rifle that I care nothing of.

I hope the OP gets something out of it. For I haven't much more to say on the matter......
 
Why not start picking on the very popular Remington rifles of the past for their use of plastic 40-50 years ago.
Cant recall which I had a 600 or Mohawk that adorned plastic.
Oh and the two Nylon 66 that I enjoyed for a few decades then sold for 3 times the price.
And the extremely popular Glock.
Might as well argue all the autos we drive and the windows in our houses plus the irrigation system.
The Tikkas have earned their spot honestly and have a parent company that was Founded in the 1500s, Beretta is the oldest active firearms manufacturer in the world.
Certainly not perfect but fill the bill for scores of us.
I recall a member here doing a test of running over a Tikka clip with his truck on the road. No problem.
I like them because they are quiet. No doubt I dont want to pay replacement cost either. Some do buy the larger capacity version which has been on sale.
 
2muchgun Thank you so much for the write up. I was not aware of some of the things you mentioned. I know you did not intend on getting into a debate (and it looks like that's where it is going) I understand that these are just your opinions and I did not feel like you were trying to change my mind. I was not asking for a Ford/Chevy debate and it seems like others are turning it into one. Thanks again for jumping into this fire (I understand if you want out lol)

Thanks for all of the info guys. The beauty of so many opinions is the fact that there are so many choices and something for everyone and what makes the perfect gun for some may not be right for others.

The reason I like the Tikka the most is that it fits my lefty/righty shooting style better than the American and the Savage Axis. I am not a big fan of the plastic but for a coyote carry gun I feel like it is a worthy trade off for lightweight. I own a very nice Kidd custom match grade .22 and I appreciate good quality metal guns but as far as a Coyote rifle goes accuracy and dependability are most important with light weight being a tie breaker and feel and fit/feel being a deal breaker. So far that has what has lead me to Tikka. When I held it in my hands it just felt right.

Thanks again for all the info guys.
 
Originally Posted By: jk2paintworx2muchgun Thank you so much for the write up. I was not aware of some of the things you mentioned. I know you did not intend on getting into a debate (and it looks like that's where it is going) I understand that these are just your opinions and I did not feel like you were trying to change my mind. I was not asking for a Ford/Chevy debate and it seems like others are turning it into one. Thanks again for jumping into this fire (I understand if you want out lol)

First off, you are welcome. Thanks for your appreciation.

I am definitely NOT looking for a debate, OR trying to change your mind. BTDT and it always goes in the direction in which you have already suggested. Just trying to inform you. I am not worried about what others may say, but what I may say.
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Although, I have been trying like heck for 2 years to mellow out. Even put one SOB on ignore back then and haven't read a word he has typed since. It is for the good of all.

I am a rifle junkie. I HAVE to know what's UNDER THE HOOD. Problem is some get their feelers hurt when confronted with facts regarding inanimate objects. Which I don't understand, but it kinda bums me out. Guns are guns, people are people. A line should be drawn on which you insult.

I am stubborn when it comes to certain things. But only because I went through 100s of rifles/scopes to learn what I know. If I can save someone some time/$, that's great. The internet wasn't even around yet(or not popular) when my home was a revolving door of rifles/scopes for years. Some may consider it that still, but it's nothing like it was. In short, I have learned more by doing, than reading, because that is just the way it was.

Anyhoo, I hope you are happy with whatever choice you make, and that I have been of some help.......
 
I have Tikkas in 223, 22-250 and 243 and everyone is very accurate. The 22-250 T-3 was my first and is still the rifle I would choose if I thought I had a scope issue and needed to check to see if it was the scope or the rifle. 55 NBT shoot great and you shouldn't need anything heavier, if you do buy a .243 and if you don't like the plastic by one in the hunter version. The only things I would change would be putting a picatany rail to mount the scope, change the safety to a three position to unload a chambered bullet. The plastic mags work so what's to change.

If you like the Tikka you will not be disappointed.
 
Originally Posted By: BOWLSEYEIf you like the Tikka you will not be disappointed......

With any gun. Ever.
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Why would you have to change rifles to see if a scope works?
 
Tikkas have some pro's and con's just like everything else. I've argued with 2muchgun over Tikkas before and he's stated the same con's here. The cons 2much brings up with Tikkas are things you should be aware of before buying one to give other choices a fair comparison (and simply so you're informed).

Whether or not the 1 action size, plastic guard, lug, and bolt shroud bothers you....well only you can decide that.

I bought what I assume was one of the first Tikkas for sale here in the US. I've been very happy with it overall. The cons of the gun don't affect my use of THAT gun. My biggest issue with Tikka is that they now cost a full $200 MORE than when they started importing them (for stainless). Did they change something to make it worth 200 more??? Absolutely NOT. They just started selling well and figured they could stick it to the customer and they'd still buy them. And god forbid you drop the mag in a field and have to buy a replacement.

But, like they said.....if it fits you and your intended use, it won't disappoint you.
 
Good post.

We all know I don't like the gun as it is. But the price is truly out of whack regardless of if one likes it or not. One would think the use of so much plastic would make it cheaper than, or at least priced on par with some of the others, but that isn't the case.

I just checked out Midway and the Ruger American magazines were $33 and the Tikkas $58. The Ruger is way over priced for what it is. The Tikka is GROSSLY overpriced, IMO.....
 
Originally Posted By: kpkiefer My biggest issue with Tikka is that they now cost a full $200 MORE than when they started importing them (for stainless). Did they change something to make it worth 200 more??? Absolutely NOT. They just started selling well and figured they could stick it to the customer and they'd still buy them.


CZ did the same thing.
The 527 American could be had for 450ish back when I bought mine. A great deal IMO.
Now days they're 200+ more with downgraded wood.
I'm all for capitalism and fully understand supply and demand but as much as I like that sweet little mini action and CRF, I'd be hard pressed to buy one at today's prices.
 
I never knew about the floating recoil lug before. I've always Bern interested in a .308 Tonka but the plastic on the bolt and the action size always gave me pause. The recoil lug really makes me wonder even tough they are reportedly very accurate.

Plastic magazines or trigger housings don't bother me. It's a working gun not a high end custom job.
 
I agree Charlie. Although I think the CZ is in another league than the Tikka and should cost more.

I do wish their QC was better.

I traded a Savage 99 for my forst one, and got the other NIB at a gun show for $500. Both Kevlar, as you already know....
 
Unfortunately, half the Tikka is produced by the Lego Division of Playskool, as subcontracted by Fisher Price.

They do shoot, and have nice triggers. I honestly laughed when I took the barreled action out of the stock though. The "recoil lug" fell on the floor.....
 
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