Why the shortage of reloading components?

I will take a shot at trying to explain part of the sporting goods business.

First off most of the dealers(retail) around the country normally buy their yearly orders in January and February. They go to shows like SHOT, and wholesaler trade shows. They normally put in orders that are called "Dating" orders. In other words they order in a bunch of product, and normally they can get extended credit terms, some as long as 9 to 10 months, at minimum interest payments. So normally their shelves are bare this time of the year anyway. This is by design.

One of the shortage reasons is that a lot of dealers were afraid to put in large "Dating" orders this year(and last) because of the economy and credit problems. Sporting goods dealers for the most part are conservative, hard working people who do not like to take chances. They have been burned before, so they are careful. So when all the politicians are calling for a Depression. Their conservatism goes into overdrive. And they got caught with their PANTS DOWN.

The manufacturers do their manufacturing schedules based upon these early orders. So actually the entire system was "in a way" screwed up from the start.

Then along comes Obama. There ends up being more buyers for products that the dealers were afraid to order at the shows for fear of being stuck when their dating contracts came due.

I worked in the wholesale sporting goods industry for years. I have been through several different types of cycles like this over the years.

I also believe that these shortages are also a bit "manufactured" by the manufacturers, and the dealers. They realize that if they keep things a bit tight then they can demand a higher price(higher profit). It is common sense if you think about it. I have several good friends who are sporting goods retailers. And they have told me that they are keeping a few items in the store room-and not putting all of it on the shelves. I am not saying big dealers are doing this, but I would bet that some of them are.

I do not think the manufacturers and dealers actually expected this big of an "Obama" effect. And now they are trying to catch up, and they will, just be patient. This has happened before, just not to this extent.

Shortages and higher prices also depend on what part of the country you are in. We have some shortages here in WV, but if you have a little patience you can get what you want, the shelves are just a bit thinner here, however the prices have not gone crazy here yet.

I just bought 1,000 CCI BR primers, 1# of RL15, and 1# of RL 22 for $82,50 out the door. That is not a very inflated price. Only a few bucks more than a year or two ago.

I am not saying that this explanation is "the whole thing in a nutshell", but it is a large piece of the pie. Dealers are scared out there. Just look at how many of them are struggling or going out of business(even in this frenzy). Tom.
 
I dont see any dealers going out of business aroud here,if anything it is just the oppisite.....(they are selling more than they ever have)!!!!!!!!!!!!!They may not have voted for Obama but they are thanking all the as_hol_s that did!
 
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I wouldn't consider what I did 'hoarding'. I would call it smart purchasing but no matter what you call it if you don't have it you probably won't get it anytime soon.



Hey SKB, have you ever considered a career in politics?

From this, you appear to have a real undiscovered talent!

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Its my "spin doctor" talent. I'm thinkin the current administration doesn't have a place for me .....yet. My politicially incorrectness will probably be in the way of any real future with them.

I'll bet theres no shortage of components at your house though /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif..........
 
HOGGHEAD: Thanks for the information. I did a search on the Shot Show and saw that it is held on Jan 18th. I think a lot of people are really getting scared out there because Obama is trying to do what he said he would do to the US, socialization. Also credit was really tight in January and still is tight. The tight credit situation may have impacted the ability of vendors to provide cheap credit for dating orders. I've seen when the economy goes south, vendors in all businesses reduce inventory. Walk into Officemax or Radio Shack and you will see a whole lot of open floor space that wasn't there a year ago. Car dealers are not stocking the parts they use to and car manufacturers are eliminating parts availibility on older models quicker than you can imagine. It is simply tough out there right now.
 
I spent all of last night looking for bullets. I would find a few here and there but i couldnt fill my order in any one place. I got a good tip from a friend of mine and finally found some bullets in bulk. I feel lucky. Lee
 
OK, I got replies from Winchester and Federal.

Thank you very much for taking the time to contact us here at Winchester Ammunition. We are always glad to hear from our many friends and customers who share in the shooting sport. Winchester Ammunition, like other ammunition manufacturers, has seen the demand for our products increase significantly since last fall. To meet that increased demand, our operations are running 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Our team is litterally working around the clock to make quality ammunition available for purchase. We remain absolutely committed to meeting the growing needs of our customers and we are doing everthing we can to do so. Thank you again for contacting us here at Winchester Ammunition. If you should require additional information, do not hesitate to contact us. Sincerely, Winchester Technical Department

and here's Federal's

We've seen unprecedented demand for certain calibers of ammunition andthe primers that charge them over the past several years. We've addedcapacity to meet the increasing demand and are fulfilling backorders.

They are the type of responses that I was expecting - a basic canned response. But, I did get a response, and for the most part, I do believe that they are running at full capacity.
 
I believe they are all making as much as they possibly can, but they aren't investing to add capacity because it could all end with the stroke of a pen. Can't really blame them with all the uncertainty going around.

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I've heard that Hodgdon has plenty of powder but the supplier of the little plastic cans isn't able to keep up /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
Furhunter: thanks for the link. This is what I've thought for a long time.

Bull Mastiff: thanks for posting Winchesters and Federal's reply.

I believe it goes without saying everyone is buying ammo and/or reloading components up because of the current political/economic mess. Given the manufacturers priorities, they will supply the military first, the police second, the ammunition makers like black hills third, and reloading components lastly. We all know were we are in the pecking order of things. It will clear up in a year or two if they don't try for another AWB soon.
 
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Yes it sounds as if they do prioritize, which is ok with me but dont you think that even they wish they could get it the stores right now. Dont be fooled by all the contracts, selling those little green boxes to you and I is huge part of their business. Keeping bullets on the shelf of every store in this country that carries their product for you and I might be bigger and certainly more profitable than selling even to the military.
 
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Yes it sounds as if they do prioritize, which is ok with me but dont you think that even they wish they could get it the stores right now. Dont be fooled by all the contracts, selling those little green boxes to you and I is huge part of their business. Keeping bullets on the shelf of every store in this country that carries their product for you and I might be bigger and certainly more profitable than selling even to the military.



Without a doubt, retail sales are more profitable than government contracts. Gov contracts are always done on a bid basis with the winning bidder being the lowest bidder. Retail sales are based upon what you can get for your product under the free market economic rules of supply and demand setting the price. With demand being thru the roof, the can set their prices higher. We can all bet that they would be making more if they could. BTW: if they are running 24/7 like they say, they have to charge more for the product to make up for the OT. However, raw material prices are down so that is helping offset the OT costs.
 
I don't begrudge people who are hoarding. They may have a valid point. Nobody knows what will happen. We have the most anti gun president ever, and the most anti gun attorney general. What is saving us right now, is that the gun grabbers saw what happened last time around. Vote against the second amendment, and you pay next election. I for one am a little nervous about what they will try.

When they can flat out lie about guns in Mexico being bought at gun shows, and people buy it, that is scary. Instead they were sold by our government to the Mexican government, and then the gangs get ahold of them from corrupt officials.

I don't begrudge stores raising prices. That is how the market works. Without higher prices, would Winchester and Federal work around the clock? I guarantee if I would have had the foresite to build a huge supply before this started I would be selling bricks of primers for triple or quadruple the price. That is capitalsm. Buy low sell high. If that is gouging, so what. They aren't twisting anyone's arm to buy them, sellers bring the price down. I would be a little ticked if someone was buying them all up at the dealers and selling them on gunbroker for double, but that is their right, and I am not buying from them.

Sooner or later, supply will catch up with demand, and the price will fall. The law of supply and demand is a reliable as the law of gravity.
 
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I was at a gun show this past weekend. Not a case of 5.56 in the place and very few 7.62. I talked to one guy who was lamenting that he was "down to" 30K rounds.... now come on, seriously?

For those that are looking, I did see 5.56 bulk at Ammunition to go (dot) com for $400/1K. I also saw another place I won't mention that was asking $700/1K for LC loose pack. Personally, I'll wait till the prices come down



I sit on 24000+- rounds in different calibers, + reloading supplies. I have 5.56 LC , 2000 for about $180.00 (.09 ea). Most is a little higher. .37 is the $ on the new stuff.I was trying for a couple of years to sell some (plinking) ammo at $65.00 per 550 that I bought the last time around(Slick Willy) w/ no takers. I still get offers on it now from 3 year old threads. I just respond, Not for sale. .12 a round is pretty good for target ammo. jp
 
When it all comes crashing down, and it will at some point,the "stockpilers" will be trying to get their money back that they spent on the panic buying.
 
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When it all comes crashing down, and it will at some point,the "stockpilers" will be trying to get their money back that they spent on the panic buying.



I really doubt that. I'm sure I can shoot everything I have bought before I get to old.
 


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