Wildlife Tech? Yes or no!
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Curt Barrett
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Marlowe, nothing personal and I am not trying to offend you, but I sure don't envy having to carry that load! It would flat take the fun out of calling for me. Hard enough humping the hills around here with a light load.
Do you have any pics of cougars or bobcats that you have harvested with the WT? We all know coyotes can be stacked like cordwood with a handcall alone and /or much cheaper e-callers so pics of the WT with coyotes won't be that impressive unless it's like a semi truck full. It's the cats that I'm interested seeing. I've just never seen any real proof that the WT is as great as it is claimed to be. Again, not trying to offend you.
Good hunting to you, Curt
Do you have any pics of cougars or bobcats that you have harvested with the WT? We all know coyotes can be stacked like cordwood with a handcall alone and /or much cheaper e-callers so pics of the WT with coyotes won't be that impressive unless it's like a semi truck full. It's the cats that I'm interested seeing. I've just never seen any real proof that the WT is as great as it is claimed to be. Again, not trying to offend you.
Good hunting to you, Curt
Calypso
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Curt,
Why not just give it a rest. We all know that you dislike Bill M., that you do not like the WT caller and why. Different strokes, amigo. By the way, mine weighs 9 1/2 lbs. I still love my hand calls and I still use my JS-512 occasionally. They all call critters. No one needs a custom rifle. Some peolple like to own them. No one needs a WT. Some of us own them and like them. You don't have to. I know Bill's past on the boards as well or better than you. He has pissed off a lot of people. He has always treated me with respect and provided excellent service. Here are some pictures for you, and no, the WT is not in the photo's, but I will gladly submit to a polygraph test if you want to pay for it to prove that I am not lying about using the WT to call them in.
Bob
Rich Cronk
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Calypso,
Now you have gone and made me jealous you pink caddy driving @#$%&^!!! Those are some nice cats there big guy. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Now you have gone and made me jealous you pink caddy driving @#$%&^!!! Those are some nice cats there big guy. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Marlowe Rames
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I can post pics of coyotes. No not truckloads as some would like to see. I work 40 hours a week as I'm sure most of the other callers on this forum do. Not every weekend can I go calling as I have a family and other obligations in life. Calling is my hobby so too say and when I get some time and the weather is right I will go out and make some stands. The caller has on a rare occassion let me down. Probably because there wasn't any yotes in the area, or I was busted getting to the stand. I haven't kept stats on my stands all that much. I can say though that on most days when I go calling I call in yotes probably 4 out of 5 stands. I guess that would be 80%. Montana can be very wide open at times where I call. Huge wheat fields, some coulees. It can be hard to get to a stand. Just a few weeks ago I got into a area I cannot normally get too because you get busted when the weather is clear. Just can't get to this stand without getting seen. This particular morning it was real foggy so it offered me the chance to get in and make the stand. I opened up with the female howl and the hills became alive with barking/howling coyotes. Called in 2 within a few minutes but I only could get the one. You need lots of volume on most stands in this wide open part of the state. The wind can blow quite abit also. On those real windy days I like to find a place kinda out of the wind and then I call downwind. I let the wind break up my scent as best as I can. Having the remote lets me select where I can best place myself so as to get a good shot and allowing for the wind.
Montana law does not let you use a electronic caller for anything except predatory animals. Cougars and cats are out with anything but a hand call.
You can see from the pic that I'm a pretty big guy weight wise. I push 225. Add a gun, backpack, cold weather gear and it can be a bit much. I'm not all that young anymore. Thankfully, I'm in good shape and the extra 11lb pack doesn't bother me at all. Like I said in the earlier post, it frees up my hands for carrying out dead yotes.
Montana law does not let you use a electronic caller for anything except predatory animals. Cougars and cats are out with anything but a hand call.
You can see from the pic that I'm a pretty big guy weight wise. I push 225. Add a gun, backpack, cold weather gear and it can be a bit much. I'm not all that young anymore. Thankfully, I'm in good shape and the extra 11lb pack doesn't bother me at all. Like I said in the earlier post, it frees up my hands for carrying out dead yotes.
Curt Barrett
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Hi Bob, for you I will give it a rest. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif One thing though. Yes, I really can't stand the owner of WT. I've made it clear it is my problem and nobody else's. My reason for inquiring about pics of cats (and the ones you posted are very nice by the way) was mainly directed at Steve Craig who has made many, many claims in the past about numerous cougars being called and harvested with the WT. He also goes on each and every time about how much better it is than any other e-caller available. I just want to see a little proof to go with the claims. Certainly not unreasonable. Till then, it's all fiction to me. I just figure if a guy is going to bash all other callers to make the one he is using look better, we should be able to see some proof. I don't know about you but if I was consistently bagging cougars and telling people it was solely because of a superior product I was using, I would have some photos to back it up. I don't think it is too much to ask by requesting a little tangible evidence before shelling out that kind of money. As long as they continue to use every other caller available as a doormat to promote their own, I will call him on it when the subject arises and won't apologize. Other call makers do not resort to these tactics. Fox, coyotes and even bobcats are relatively easy to call. Heck I took over 60 coyotes this season with just handcalls and the Foxpro added in occasionally with very limited time for hunting. So the testimonials of calling fox and coyotes and a handful of bobs are not that impressive for the cost of this magic caller.
I have to admit being surprised because I really expected a flood of photos of cougars from WT owners to put me in my place. I'm glad BM has treated you well. That's fortunate. I have heard he can be a decent guy on the phone. Still doesn't change the fact that so far I've seen nothing that comes close to backing up the claims we hear though. I know one thing, the pics I see of Randy Watsons' one nights take of bobcats sure makes a $19 Sceery AP-7 seem like a good investment. LOL.
As BM himself states on his website "The proof is in the pudding" and "A light year ahead". Well, let's see it.
Anyway, I will honor your request of the dropping the subject, on this thread at least, because you are a man I have a great deal of respect for.
Good hunting to you. Respectfully Curt
I have to admit being surprised because I really expected a flood of photos of cougars from WT owners to put me in my place. I'm glad BM has treated you well. That's fortunate. I have heard he can be a decent guy on the phone. Still doesn't change the fact that so far I've seen nothing that comes close to backing up the claims we hear though. I know one thing, the pics I see of Randy Watsons' one nights take of bobcats sure makes a $19 Sceery AP-7 seem like a good investment. LOL.
As BM himself states on his website "The proof is in the pudding" and "A light year ahead". Well, let's see it.
Anyway, I will honor your request of the dropping the subject, on this thread at least, because you are a man I have a great deal of respect for.
Good hunting to you. Respectfully Curt
Predator Spanker
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It sure is a shame that their is so much animosity towards WT. Fact is they have some great sounds available. Their caller is a little pricey to most, but it seems their customers are satisfied with their purchase. Sure would be nice if everyone would drop this conservation and give this BM a break. I understand that their was problems in the past but this guy can't even defend himself at this point.
coyotebuster
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He could defend himself but he was banned. Oh well, all he would do is insult us anwyays.
howler
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speaking of the weight of the WT caller, as I understand it the recent caller only weighs a few pounds, I maybe wrong
I also know that Marlowe hunts some tough country, he fights tough wind every day, and can you imagine it he took 12 coyotes in 1 day, that my friend is a record here in Montana, he claims the WT helped him out I suppose knowing what you are doing helps too.
I also know that Marlowe hunts some tough country, he fights tough wind every day, and can you imagine it he took 12 coyotes in 1 day, that my friend is a record here in Montana, he claims the WT helped him out I suppose knowing what you are doing helps too.
It's amazing that this BM bashing is still going on. It's an e-caller. Maybe good, maybe bad. It will call coyotes, so will my circa 1968 Unitrol Police Siren.
Tons of opinions from people who I respect greatly in this thread. But I find some of it disheartening. Instead of guerilla like cyber-attacks on people and manufacturers, found here and in other threads, put up or shut up. These e-callers all do the same. They emit sounds from a speaker that can and do sometimes call in coyotes or whatever other critter is targeted. Some of the comments made here and in other threads are unsubstantiated and fraught with half-truths, many bordering on slander.
Claims made by some are just that, claims. Until I hear honest field reports from people who hunt, I tend to stay away. WT, Foxpro, JS and other e-callers all work. If price is an issue, make an e-caller. If you don't think CD quality sound is important to calling critters, buy an 8-track. It's my opinion that the coyote could give a rats-ass what caller is making the sound of a rabbit getting its scrotum munched....if it sounds as if it's dying, he will come. If you don't like something or someone because of issues from the past, eMail them or give them a call. Don't degrade a good thread by airing them here. It has no purpose and doesn't help anyone.
And coyotebuster, unless you have a window into my computer and my ban list, before you start up with the he's banned stuff, get the facts.
Tons of opinions from people who I respect greatly in this thread. But I find some of it disheartening. Instead of guerilla like cyber-attacks on people and manufacturers, found here and in other threads, put up or shut up. These e-callers all do the same. They emit sounds from a speaker that can and do sometimes call in coyotes or whatever other critter is targeted. Some of the comments made here and in other threads are unsubstantiated and fraught with half-truths, many bordering on slander.
Claims made by some are just that, claims. Until I hear honest field reports from people who hunt, I tend to stay away. WT, Foxpro, JS and other e-callers all work. If price is an issue, make an e-caller. If you don't think CD quality sound is important to calling critters, buy an 8-track. It's my opinion that the coyote could give a rats-ass what caller is making the sound of a rabbit getting its scrotum munched....if it sounds as if it's dying, he will come. If you don't like something or someone because of issues from the past, eMail them or give them a call. Don't degrade a good thread by airing them here. It has no purpose and doesn't help anyone.
And coyotebuster, unless you have a window into my computer and my ban list, before you start up with the he's banned stuff, get the facts.
Steve Craig
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Curt,
Since when do I owe you, or anyone else for that matter, any pics! LOL My clients/students that pay upwards of $3500.00 for the right to learn how to call a lion or a bear get to see first hand how it is done. Calypso is one of those that has been here (there are others lurking here as well) and is putting what I taught him to good use.It will not be long before he will call a lion. And, as I tell all my clients/students," you have paid a good price for this knowledge, so make good use of it and keep it to yourself". Most do.This is what Bill Austin and several others I have taken instruction from told me many years ago. This I have done. And because I guide for a living, my investments are finally paying off. The WT allows me to achieve certain goals that other calling units do not. Pure and simple. I still use hand calls as there is a time and place for them. BUT, and this is the heart of the matter, the WT has allowed me to use a trait of the lion against him, and to call him, on a CONSISTANT(key word) basis! This can not be achieved with any other unit or hand call. I know, I have tried. I know that Bob will agree too. His recent cat calling success proves this out as a cat is a cat whether a bobcat or a lion or a house cat or a leopard, or an African lion. I know those cats were called in between 9am and noon. Not at night. And as one very good caller has said in the past,"you can call 10 cats at night for every one in the daytime". Ask Bob, a died-in-the-wool JS man why he bought a WT after taking instructions from me. I can assure you it was not because of my slick sales pitch, or because as you say" my being a "yes" man for Bill". I'll let him tell you. If you want to see the pics and mostly video at that, you will just have to wait for the book I am writing to come out. I can assure you they will be in it and lots of them. Hmmmmm, maybe that is why ole Steve doesnt post pics too! LOL I have always said, and still do say, "I dont care what caller you use,but use the best you can afford, and learn what makes a cat,coyote,fox,bear,or lion tick".
I'll be gone for the next 3 months killing coyotes on antelope and mule deer fawning ground, so you may blast me all you want. Go for it. I never did anything wrong to you.
FWIW
Steve
Since when do I owe you, or anyone else for that matter, any pics! LOL My clients/students that pay upwards of $3500.00 for the right to learn how to call a lion or a bear get to see first hand how it is done. Calypso is one of those that has been here (there are others lurking here as well) and is putting what I taught him to good use.It will not be long before he will call a lion. And, as I tell all my clients/students," you have paid a good price for this knowledge, so make good use of it and keep it to yourself". Most do.This is what Bill Austin and several others I have taken instruction from told me many years ago. This I have done. And because I guide for a living, my investments are finally paying off. The WT allows me to achieve certain goals that other calling units do not. Pure and simple. I still use hand calls as there is a time and place for them. BUT, and this is the heart of the matter, the WT has allowed me to use a trait of the lion against him, and to call him, on a CONSISTANT(key word) basis! This can not be achieved with any other unit or hand call. I know, I have tried. I know that Bob will agree too. His recent cat calling success proves this out as a cat is a cat whether a bobcat or a lion or a house cat or a leopard, or an African lion. I know those cats were called in between 9am and noon. Not at night. And as one very good caller has said in the past,"you can call 10 cats at night for every one in the daytime". Ask Bob, a died-in-the-wool JS man why he bought a WT after taking instructions from me. I can assure you it was not because of my slick sales pitch, or because as you say" my being a "yes" man for Bill". I'll let him tell you. If you want to see the pics and mostly video at that, you will just have to wait for the book I am writing to come out. I can assure you they will be in it and lots of them. Hmmmmm, maybe that is why ole Steve doesnt post pics too! LOL I have always said, and still do say, "I dont care what caller you use,but use the best you can afford, and learn what makes a cat,coyote,fox,bear,or lion tick".
I'll be gone for the next 3 months killing coyotes on antelope and mule deer fawning ground, so you may blast me all you want. Go for it. I never did anything wrong to you.
FWIW
Steve
coyotebuster
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I do not have a list of banned people , but I have been told by more than 3 people that he was, and I also know he had hinted on it himself.
Robert Cobb
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Thanks for clearing that up and setting me straight Steve.... My apologies!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Steve Craig
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Mr Cobb,
DWL was refering to me. I posted the original post about using the Mini-amp with a Sony Walkman and a speaker.Untill that time it had never been posted. It may have been on Possecountry, but I think it was on PM. I had (at that time)used it as a backup caller to my first WT for several years while guiding. I never needed it, and it worked very well so I thought I would post how to make your own unit for the guys that couldnt afford spending $150 for a JS, Fox Pro, Dennis Kirk, etc. Bill Martz had given me the plans for this unit in 1996 or 97. Critr then posted the mini-amp part name and number, I believe. It has been a very long time ago and my memory is not what it used to be. DWL's refering that the "idea" was Bill's is correct, but it was I that put the "idea" on here. It has been good to see it's evolution over the last couple of years on here. So, if you are using a Radio Shack Mini-amp in conjuction with a speaker, you are using a Bill Martz idea. I Always give credit where credit is due, and it for sure was Bill's idea. I just posted it here. LOL I'm off for some fun hunting if you can call these 35-40 MPH gusts fun calling! HeHe
FWIW
Steve
DWL was refering to me. I posted the original post about using the Mini-amp with a Sony Walkman and a speaker.Untill that time it had never been posted. It may have been on Possecountry, but I think it was on PM. I had (at that time)used it as a backup caller to my first WT for several years while guiding. I never needed it, and it worked very well so I thought I would post how to make your own unit for the guys that couldnt afford spending $150 for a JS, Fox Pro, Dennis Kirk, etc. Bill Martz had given me the plans for this unit in 1996 or 97. Critr then posted the mini-amp part name and number, I believe. It has been a very long time ago and my memory is not what it used to be. DWL's refering that the "idea" was Bill's is correct, but it was I that put the "idea" on here. It has been good to see it's evolution over the last couple of years on here. So, if you are using a Radio Shack Mini-amp in conjuction with a speaker, you are using a Bill Martz idea. I Always give credit where credit is due, and it for sure was Bill's idea. I just posted it here. LOL I'm off for some fun hunting if you can call these 35-40 MPH gusts fun calling! HeHe
FWIW
Steve
coyotebuster
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lol, umm where are you finding this $150 foxpro at?
Mr Cobb,
Steve is correct. Until he posted the idea on here (it was this board because I wasn't on Posse Country) it had never been mentioned. It's been nearly 2 years ago now that he posted it.
When he posted it, he said the original idea was given to him by Bill Martz. He also said that he percieved many people making one for themselves. He was right. It wasn't long sfter Steve originally posted the idea that it became "common knowledge" here.
You may have helped the idea to progress to some degree, but the fact remains that the original idea came from Bill Martz and was posted here by Steve Craig, just as my post that you quoted indicates.
DWL
Steve is correct. Until he posted the idea on here (it was this board because I wasn't on Posse Country) it had never been mentioned. It's been nearly 2 years ago now that he posted it.
When he posted it, he said the original idea was given to him by Bill Martz. He also said that he percieved many people making one for themselves. He was right. It wasn't long sfter Steve originally posted the idea that it became "common knowledge" here.
You may have helped the idea to progress to some degree, but the fact remains that the original idea came from Bill Martz and was posted here by Steve Craig, just as my post that you quoted indicates.
DWL
Robert Cobb
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My apologies to you DWL... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Curt Barrett
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No blasting Steve. Always respected you as a trapper and caller. You provide good calling info. I simply wanted to see some proof that the WT was what it has been claimed to be. Is that so much to ask? Is this unreasonable? I'm certainly not going to pay $3500 for you to prove it. I've already spoke with a couple of your happy clients. It appears I'm in the wrong business. You would think that if you were calling them so consistently (keyword) a couple pics would be no big deal. Whatever. I'm not seeking a free internet lesson from you. Don't flatter yourself. Just tangible evidence that what you say is true. If you can't provide it, that's no crime.
When someone claims they have called...I think it was something like 90+ cougars, (I can't remember what the time frame was) I just figured they could provide a few pics of the results of this superior caller. No, you don't owe me a thing Steve. Guess we will have to wait for the book. Till then we will continue using our imagination.
As for the poor owner of WT not being able to defend his poor wittle self. Pleeeease terminate my posting privileges and restore BMs so he won't be such a victim anymore. I'm as sick of hearing about this guy not being able to defend himself as you are seeing him "attacked".....sheeesh.
Still patiently waiting for "the proof in the pudding".
Take care, Curt
When someone claims they have called...I think it was something like 90+ cougars, (I can't remember what the time frame was) I just figured they could provide a few pics of the results of this superior caller. No, you don't owe me a thing Steve. Guess we will have to wait for the book. Till then we will continue using our imagination.
As for the poor owner of WT not being able to defend his poor wittle self. Pleeeease terminate my posting privileges and restore BMs so he won't be such a victim anymore. I'm as sick of hearing about this guy not being able to defend himself as you are seeing him "attacked".....sheeesh.
Still patiently waiting for "the proof in the pudding".
Take care, Curt
coyotebuster
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Amen Curt!!!!
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