Wolf Attack!!

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NiteFright

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Stumbled upon this:

HTTP://www.beaglesunlimited.com/2001may-jun/wolfattack.htm

Watched a show on wolves in yellowstone the other day. Sat in amazement as they showed multiple elk kills, wolves on wolf kills, even showed the big dogs tear a coyote to shreds!

I've heard talk about possible reintroduction to the adirondacks in NY. Why? Deer are scarce enoungh up there.

I would personally like to reintroduce them to the .243

NiteFright
 
NiteFright, the MI DNR, aka Dept. of No Reason, put wolves back into the UP of MI. The wolves have fared well, dining on deer, moose, livestock and pets. The wolves are protected too. Many of the farmers went on local TV to tell the DNR that they would shoot the wolves on sight, because of the damage that the wolves had caused. Others have had their pets attacked, and some killed, by wolves. Needless to say, the hunters don't really care for them at all. The tree-hugging wilderness-loving idiots think that it's a great idea, because it gives them the "wilderness experience", since they can listen to wolves howling. More "feel good" nonsense from idiots that don't know much about anything. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif MI VHNTR
 
Hi Nightfright i think that 243 sounds good when
it go's off and then just walk away like nothing
happin. you got to love them do gooders. i think
they have put some in NH,ME. to. there been seeing
some big big dogs and i see one two winnters ago
that was no coyote if it didn't go 100lbs it don't
go anything. and i see some tracks last winnter bigger than the palm of my hand. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

thanks steve&the thorn
mt hounds. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
MI VHNTR, That article said they were almost ready to take UP wolves off the endangered list, does that mean they may become huntable one day?
I've heard of quite a few other hunting dogs killed by wolf packs, gonna be real sad when a kid or someone gets it!

Steven, I'm no wolf expert, but they say red wolves cross the St. Lawrence river occasionally from canada when it freezes.
Also I hunted with a guy in N.W. Maine who shot a pair of Arctic wolves, near his place. He had them mounted, then the game wardens caught wind of it and confiscated the mounts, they wondered what they were doing so far out of their range.
Well they eventually gave them back to him. I seen em, really big dogs 200+ pounds and almost all white! Almost like having a polar bear come down.


.243, yup that'd be just about the best wolfing round! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

NiteFright
 
NiteFright, there has been talk of removing the wolves from the endangered list, but there's been nothing concrete on it yet. The animal lovers don't want this done and have raised heck about it. There has been some talk about hunting wolves, but there has been too much opposition from the animal lovers about it. There have been a couple of cases of wolf attacks on chained/penned hunting dogs near here. One hunter even had his dog attacked while he was bird hunting. The wolves that I've seen here don't show all that much fear of humans either. One was killed by a car a few weeks back right in the town where I live. The people/wolf confrontation will most likely occur sooner, rather than later.
There have been wolves here that have comitted suicide by running in front of logging trucks at night. I hate when that happens. :eek: MI VHNTR
 
up here in alaska wolves are fair game. When we go out varmint hunting we take our .243 and 6mm shooting 100gr., same round we use for deer. They shoot far and flat and buck the wind pretty well. We haven't stumbled upon a wolf during season here yet...they're WAY more common out in the bush, a snowmachine would be baaaaaad medicine for wolves! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
MIVHNTR, Hey Hey how are you doing? Ass deep to a 9 foot Indian in Wolfs are you? he he :)
Sounds like Mi. is just waiting for Federal approval for reclass of the moose eaters.
Federal reclassification provides flexibility in managing the growing wolf population in Michigan and Wisconsin by allowing managers to euthanize wolves that have caused problems, especially to the livestock industry. The current federal "endangered" status does not permit lethal control.
Sounds like someone should get into a licensed predator controlling position. Ever wanted to work for the DNR? HA HA i know your answer.
Nightfright--On the migration of Wolves, Collared
timber wolfs from Michian's upper pennisula have been found in St Louis Missouri !! :eek:
Want to see a couple woofs hanging? check out Page Five in the member photo album! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
LOCATOR
 
One of my wife's tree-huggin' girlfriends is attending Bio courses in college.
Her 'dream' would be to assist in the reintroduction of wolves after she gets her Bachelor's...
I kindly asked her for directions and pack locations (if and when her 'dream' is realized) for Educational purposes only. I want to Educate them wolves with a burst from a rifle... HEEEEEE!

I then would like to Educate my boys on the quality of Wolf pelts...

It's fair to say that she wasn't laughing...

I did say that with the degree she is pursuing she could get a job at a Pharmaceutical plant testing all kinds of good things on critters...

She didn't like that either.

Oh well...
 
Locator, there are way more wolves here than moose, that's for sure. There was supposed to be a moose herd of 1000 animals by '00, but the MI DNR forgot that the re-introduced wolves like a moose or two for snacks. The moose herd numbered 125 by the last count. It seems that they have disappeared for some strange reason. :rolleyes:
I've had them respond to calling more than once. This occured in areas where the wolves had moved in on the local coyote population. I've even heard them howling in areas where they weren't supposed to be. The wolves really make for a "wilderness experience." :rolleyes: MI VHNTR
 
I'd like to know who really makes the decsision to bring em back. Also if money from the sale of hunting licsenses is spent on any part of the project.

It's not that I dislike wolves but unfortunatly there really isnt enough room anymore for packs of ferocious predators. If you want to see or hear em go to alaska or such, even yellowstone, I guess?

I think thier master plan is to bring back large predators ie. lions & wolves, and slowly phase out the hunter. Don't laugh, think about it...

NiteFright
 
NiteFright, I agree with you on the wolves/lions issue. It seems that there are more lions showing up here too. The MI DNR blames it on people releasing their "pets". :rolleyes: If the State of MI and the ARFs wanted all of these predators in MI, why not put them BELOW the bridge where most of the ARF idiots live? This way, they could all get a "true wilderness experience" much closer to their homes, not ours. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif MI VHNTR
 
I have often wondered about your endangered specie act--south side of Lake Superior it's a $25,000 fine for shootin a wolf--north side of Lake it's a $75 small game liscense and you can kill all you can find.

I've had wolves kill hounds several times here in Ontario--used to happen more when we had a Spring Bear Hunt, I accept that as part of hunting here. Last Summer I was huntin in Wisconsin (south of Corny in Bayfield county) when a good friend of mine lost 2 hounds to wolves--I actually saw a wolf kill one of the dogs--one bite to the head--pretty impressive!! Couple of things really bothered me about this event. The behavior of the wolves was scary--absolutly fearless--one of them even moved towards me growling when I crouched down over the dying dog--it stopped when I stood up and then took off after our other dogs taking the rest of the pack with it, I only saw 3 but I feel there were more there. They soon killed another hound, my buddy got paid $4500 for the 2 dogs from the USDA but of course they were his 2 best hounds and I would rather he had his hounds back.

One of our local friends notified the authority's and a very nice conservation officer showed up to investigate, he raises coon-hounds and isn't real happy about all the wolves in the area--he notified the wolf authorities and they sent some 22 year-old college kid out to investigate. Kid told me he was going to mark it down as a probable wolf kill. That made me mad and I rather impolitely told the young man that I was well aware of what a wolf was since I had killed 11 in the last year and I didn't appreciate wasting my time with someone who was obviously educated well beyond his intelligence.

Wolves are intelligent enough to key in on the fact nobody is gonna bother them in Wisconsin and they know it. We have a good population of them here but they are pretty wild and you have to work at it to get them. Most are caught in snares. In 30 years I've only shot 4 and only got 1 in a leg-hold trap. I have heard late winter you can run 'em down on the ice with a snowmachine but since that became illegal I wouldn't know anything about that.

If they want to re-introduce wolves to thier traditional range why not start with Central Park?
 
kkahmann, The gray wolf is a protected species in Michigan. A person convicted of killing a wolf can face up to 90 days in jail, $1,000 in fines and $1,500 restitution.
Not nowhere near 25K
But even so with an ESTIMATED 284 wolves in Mi.'s
upper penninsula, there are about 4-5 each year get shot by deer hunters. No big deal considering their litter sizes. The moose project in Mi. has failed thanks to the reintroduction of wolf.Sure a few get sniped by poachers.
Intresting story you had about the coon/bear dogs getting killed. Ive had arguments with other coon hunters telling me it wouldnt happen. I guess they are going to find out the hard way.
MIVHNTR, I hear very little mention by the DNR of the breeding cougar population in the U.P. hmmmm
Nitefright has made a good point too, something I've suspected as well. Bring in the predator phase out the hunter. THEN when the cute bambi
are all gone, I'll be getting paid by the same taxpayer to get rid of the predator. What a stupid hugger couldn't screw up.
Locator
 
Locator, the MI DNR recently admitted to the existence of the big cats here. They denied this for years, blaming the cats as being pets that the owners had released. I saw my first big cat here in the late '70s. There is not doubt as to what it was either. People had film of the cats, but again, it was someone's released pet. This was according to the MI DNR "experts". There has been a bit more on the cats in the past few months. Fur-Fish-Game had an article on them. The local paper is finally putting a bit more info on the cats into some articles also. You can rest assured that the cats are taking their fair share of the game animals here. It's just more "sound game management practice" from the MI Dept. of No Reason. MI VHNTR
 
locator, there has been cougar sightings as far down as North of Holland, Mi, not far from Ravenna. Keep your eyes open when calling, you never know what may show up. Speaking about large predators, do you "upper's" ever call in Bear? That would be a rush.
take care,
Nigel-
 
Locator--the fines you mention are state penalties--with grey wolves not yet delisted I was refering to penalties provided for under the ESA--they start at $25K and go up to $100K. In Wisconsin they are advertising a $4000 reward for information about 4 wolves that were killed during thier deer season. They are also investigating 7 other wolf deaths as possible wolf poaching and it ain't the state boys doing the investigation. I know because I was interegated by the USFWS. It wasn't until after I talked to 'em that I realized I must have been one of thier prime suspects.
 
kkahmann
Never realized that another agency could get involved in assessing fines other then the state court. I wasnt aware of what the ESA hands out.
I have seen many rewards posted that are attached
to the wolf kills in Upper Michigan,,,,,most of that money has come from wolf hugger groups. For instance the one killed in the Seney wildlife refuge is currently a 3,500 reward. I also have seen the outcome of prosecuted wolf poachers. Basing my information on the sentences produced in those cases.

Locator
 


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