Wolf Attack!!
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timberking
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Hey Nigel,
Yea we call bears in here in Da U.P. here,s a few pics for ya,
Yea we call bears in here in Da U.P. here,s a few pics for ya,
NiteFright
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Mashtare, Blood was from tearing and shaking the hound violently and was only a few feet up the tree. As for being a cat, just doesnt fit thier profile.
kkahmann, You seem to know alot about wolves, whats the difference between red, grey, and timber wolves. Do they live in different ranges? Maybe you can educate us a little.
Central parks a good idea... until poopsie the french poodle gets it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
MIVHNTR, Very interesting the DNR up there admitted to a lion population. I would'nt be surprised if some tree hugger groups were releasing em. There's lions sited by me quite often and I've personally seen tracks. Some one seen one cross the road in the early morning with a chicken in its mouth not too long ago, and I'm only a couple a hours away from the big sh%tty... um I think I meant city /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
kkahmann, You seem to know alot about wolves, whats the difference between red, grey, and timber wolves. Do they live in different ranges? Maybe you can educate us a little.
Central parks a good idea... until poopsie the french poodle gets it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
MIVHNTR, Very interesting the DNR up there admitted to a lion population. I would'nt be surprised if some tree hugger groups were releasing em. There's lions sited by me quite often and I've personally seen tracks. Some one seen one cross the road in the early morning with a chicken in its mouth not too long ago, and I'm only a couple a hours away from the big sh%tty... um I think I meant city /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
timberking
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Locator,
No i did'nt get the bear,all of those pics were taken in the spring. I do beleive that i called the bear on the bottom(poor photo)in again that fall and my buddy shot it after about a half hour of calling. I'm beting heavy that it was the same bear since it was the same location and same size animal,but i could be wrong.
The bear in the other two pics took around 20 minuets to come in and yes it is a very nice bear and it is still in the area. Maybe if i ever get lucky enough to draw a damn bear tag i'll get my chance at it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
No i did'nt get the bear,all of those pics were taken in the spring. I do beleive that i called the bear on the bottom(poor photo)in again that fall and my buddy shot it after about a half hour of calling. I'm beting heavy that it was the same bear since it was the same location and same size animal,but i could be wrong.
The bear in the other two pics took around 20 minuets to come in and yes it is a very nice bear and it is still in the area. Maybe if i ever get lucky enough to draw a damn bear tag i'll get my chance at it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
NiteFright--Grey wolf and Timber wolf same animal but they run the gamunt from pure black thru pure white in coloration.
Now the Red wolf is a different specie and was supposedly extinct in the wild. The Red wolf used to be native to the southeastern US as far west as Louisiana. Evidently there were some still held in captivity. As I understand it some educated do-gooders got together and decided to raise some up and release in the wild cause everbody knows you need to re-introduce these critters to thier traditional range. Paid for of course by the US taxpayer. Now this program has had some problems but if the cheap ole Forest Service would just cough up a few more bucks these boys will soon have Red wolves running around all over the South.
Now we have underemployed biologists here in Canada too and we have lots of wolves. Especialy in a place called Algonquin Park--where the wolves are protected. People like to drive out to the park in the evenings and howl them up. I've seen film footage of these wolves and they look more like big coyotes than wolves to me. But what would I know--I'm just a displaced hillbillie.
Now comes the interesting part. Bunch of biologist decide to do some DNA testing on the wolves of Algonquin--Guess What? Wolves in Algonquin got Red wolf and coyote DNA.
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Karl
Now the Red wolf is a different specie and was supposedly extinct in the wild. The Red wolf used to be native to the southeastern US as far west as Louisiana. Evidently there were some still held in captivity. As I understand it some educated do-gooders got together and decided to raise some up and release in the wild cause everbody knows you need to re-introduce these critters to thier traditional range. Paid for of course by the US taxpayer. Now this program has had some problems but if the cheap ole Forest Service would just cough up a few more bucks these boys will soon have Red wolves running around all over the South.
Now we have underemployed biologists here in Canada too and we have lots of wolves. Especialy in a place called Algonquin Park--where the wolves are protected. People like to drive out to the park in the evenings and howl them up. I've seen film footage of these wolves and they look more like big coyotes than wolves to me. But what would I know--I'm just a displaced hillbillie.
Now comes the interesting part. Bunch of biologist decide to do some DNA testing on the wolves of Algonquin--Guess What? Wolves in Algonquin got Red wolf and coyote DNA.
Later
Karl
NiteFright, I had a guy tell me a good story about the big cats a few years back. He was at his camp north of here one night and heard a knock on the door. When he answered it, there was an armed guy representing the DNR that asked to come in and warm up. The guy from the DNR said that he was tracking THREE lions that had been killing animals in the area. He never said where the lions came from, but that they were becoming a problem for some people that had some livestock. The guy from the camp was going to ask him more questions in the morning, but the hunter had disappeared before daylight. It sure makes you wonder, doesn't it? MI VHNTR
NiteFright
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kkahmann, Thanks for the info. I know once in a while large canines in the 50 to 90 pound class are taken in the northern part of the state. They are almost always coyote colored. A lotta guys call em brush wolves. Probably similar to your algonquin park dogs.
MI VHNTR, Sure does make you wonder...
MI VHNTR, Sure does make you wonder...
Algonquin Park is a good bit east of the UP--if you go north of Michigan you are definetly into real Timber Wolves.
We call our coyotes here brush wolves too. The only brush wolves I have seen in 30 years here in the Northwestern part of the province have always been in close proximity to a town and I think thats because the wolves kill them if they get out in the bush. I live 37 miles out of town in an area thats full of wolves, you find the moose kills, you hear them at night and you find thier tracks--but you hardly ever see one. They are really wild--the wolves I saw in Wisconsin seemed tame by comparison. Maybe because so many of them have been handled in order to collar them.
The DNA studies on Algonquin wolves hasn't been published yet and I'd be suprized if the Ontario MNR knows anything about it. It is interesting however to suppose that maybe under the right circumstances that wolves might interbreed with coyotes.
You guys in Minnesota ,Wisconsin and Michigan are about to suffer the bad effects of the ESA legislation. As I see it there is going to be a time lapse of a few years between delisting and a possible hunting season--then you will have wolves doing damage to livestock and pets with no compensation for losses.
Just my 2 cents worth
We call our coyotes here brush wolves too. The only brush wolves I have seen in 30 years here in the Northwestern part of the province have always been in close proximity to a town and I think thats because the wolves kill them if they get out in the bush. I live 37 miles out of town in an area thats full of wolves, you find the moose kills, you hear them at night and you find thier tracks--but you hardly ever see one. They are really wild--the wolves I saw in Wisconsin seemed tame by comparison. Maybe because so many of them have been handled in order to collar them.
The DNA studies on Algonquin wolves hasn't been published yet and I'd be suprized if the Ontario MNR knows anything about it. It is interesting however to suppose that maybe under the right circumstances that wolves might interbreed with coyotes.
You guys in Minnesota ,Wisconsin and Michigan are about to suffer the bad effects of the ESA legislation. As I see it there is going to be a time lapse of a few years between delisting and a possible hunting season--then you will have wolves doing damage to livestock and pets with no compensation for losses.
Just my 2 cents worth
There's always been wolves, and moose, here since I can remember. I had seen tracks from both animals long before the highly publicized re-introduction of both species. It wasn't until the big Moose Lift years back that the moose herd got any ink. The same goes for the wolves. Wolf info was kept quiet, until the "re-introduction" of the wolves. There's lots of remote area here, so any of these animals can exist without any interaction from people. A lot of the people are afraid to get away from the inhabited areas, or they are afraid to walk out of sight distance of a road. Since they are, they can't see anything, but what they're told that they'll see. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif MI VHNTR
Coyotebrains
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I think you'd be surprised at what the MNR in Ontario knows about Wolves in Algonquin park. Considering the park is in Ontario, you might find out they know more than you think indeed. Yes there are alot of huggers up here and although we are an hour or two south of the park we get them every year move up from the city and think they're gonna save the world. Ask Locator about the do-gooder we had come into a stand when we called up a small pack of coyotes in a late afternoon stand.
They say the coyotes here, crossed up with the Red Wolf on their way east and that's how they got their size and that's how the Red is pretty much gone. I have some pictures of a few coyotes that you would think were Reds.
Anyhow, I've called stands up north and had a pair of Greys howl at about 600 yards away and a few seconds later had three or four coyotes kick up. I think they will live together but when it comes down to a meal, the larger wolf will either kill the coyote trying to get a snack or at least run it off. I have seen pictures of coyotes and fox at the same bait pile together........ it probably depends on the availability of food.
Where abouts are you kkahmann????? you in Ontario?
They say the coyotes here, crossed up with the Red Wolf on their way east and that's how they got their size and that's how the Red is pretty much gone. I have some pictures of a few coyotes that you would think were Reds.
Anyhow, I've called stands up north and had a pair of Greys howl at about 600 yards away and a few seconds later had three or four coyotes kick up. I think they will live together but when it comes down to a meal, the larger wolf will either kill the coyote trying to get a snack or at least run it off. I have seen pictures of coyotes and fox at the same bait pile together........ it probably depends on the availability of food.
Where abouts are you kkahmann????? you in Ontario?
Coyotebrains
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That's good to know.... if I might ever want to hunt some more wolves. How is the population up your way anyhow?
Got lots of wolves--killed a nice black one in my front yard a few years ago, killed a regular grey one in the driveway last winter. I've got a winterized cabin here I rent to snowmobiliers in winter. I'd rent the cabin real resonable to a wolf hunter. March or April would be a good time. I once met a guy from Wisconsin who would come up here in June and he used a predetor call on the powerlines and natural gas pipelines. He claims he called in 8 in a week. Come on up.
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NiteFright
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Hey Eddiemats, good to see your still hanging around. I myself can't seem to get enough of this site /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif always learnin something new.
Yeh the way I see it the yotes as they moved eastward cross bred with red wolves like was said by others and maybe thats how we get those few oddball oversized dogs. I've been told reds do cross the St. Lawrence river occasionally when iced over.
I know quite a few good woodsmen that call the larger than normal yotes "brush wolves". My good friend's a taxidermist he shot one that was 63lbs. When he had the pelt sealed the DEC officer didn't even question the size.
Well anyways how's the ol long beard bird been treating you? I managed a decent bird last week. My buddy was in margrettsville a couple of weeks ago and got a fat 23 lbs bird. They've also seen a real big bobcat stalking birds in the field a few mornings.
Yeh the way I see it the yotes as they moved eastward cross bred with red wolves like was said by others and maybe thats how we get those few oddball oversized dogs. I've been told reds do cross the St. Lawrence river occasionally when iced over.
I know quite a few good woodsmen that call the larger than normal yotes "brush wolves". My good friend's a taxidermist he shot one that was 63lbs. When he had the pelt sealed the DEC officer didn't even question the size.
Well anyways how's the ol long beard bird been treating you? I managed a decent bird last week. My buddy was in margrettsville a couple of weeks ago and got a fat 23 lbs bird. They've also seen a real big bobcat stalking birds in the field a few mornings.
Some of our fellow PM members can see bobcats all the time. I feel fortunate to have seen two in my life and both times they were coming to Turkey calls. The taxidermist I use in Delhi,NY swears there are Wolves in NY and used to hunt them from snowmobiles in the Adirondacks. He said 90+ pounds was common. He said our DEC knows wolves are in NY but will never admit to it. The "Tree-Huggers " can't stop a Coyote hunt but once that "wolf" word is used they'll make a real push to stop all Coyote hunts for fear of wolves getting tagged by "mis-identification".