Wolves!! I had no idea...

By no means do I believe in poaching but I did chuckle to myself when I read the article that the fed's had found alot of their wolf tracking collars in the bottom of a lake in Wyoming. When locals were asked what they thought the common answer was guess they should of taught them to swim before they released them.
I have friends that have given up hunting elk above Dubois due to the fact that the hunt is no longer fun seeing as you have to always have someone watching the pack of wolves that is following you and your horses. They now have had to take turns night hawking to make sure they don't come in and get their horses. Unfortunately our beloved leaders in Washington do not understand what their decisions are doing? (I know this is hard to believe) I believe that we as outdoor sportsmans are going to have to take care of things ourselves instead of waiting for the great white leaders in Washington to get done pushing around all of their red tape.
 
Originally Posted By: TA17remIf you do a little checking around the deer herd is at a all time high in S.D and some areas they have to many deer and had to cull abunch of them last year.. They could proably use a few wolves.
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Last year when the hunter in wyoming chased that wolf down with a snowmobile and killed it, made all of us look bad.. If this is the only way to get a wolf good luck on getting a season on them....

So you think the elk herd in yellowstone is being reduced from hunters.
FACT: Hunting is not allowing in yellowstone. Wolves are killing these elk, regardless of license numbers.

That picture floating around of two guys holding wolves is not even from Wyoming. That picture was taken in Canada. Someone started that as a rumor.

Ignoring everyone that does not have to deal with these animals first hand:

How many of us have seen moose with the noses bitten off and laying there to rot? I can tell you that our elk population is way down, and its not from the hunters. Kill numbers this year are way down, and I hunted hard just to find a few elk. Something has changed.

I'm glad Wyoming is standing there ground on this. The Federal Govt has got to get there noses out of our business. Let us control the wolves.
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Originally Posted By: TA17remSure the wolves are killing abunch of elk and deer and if you look a little deeper you will see that these states have also increased the number of lic. for these animals.

That is news to me. Please enlighten me as to which units in Montana that are affected by wolves increased their elk licenses? So where on Montana's FWP website would one dig a little deeper to find out this information? I, as well as, a few others from the West would like to see you post some factual data to support your claim. Here, I will even help you get started: http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/default.html
 
This wolf problem you guys are having up north is on the mines of alot of Coloradoans because we know if something is not done now, we will eventually be plaqued as well. I feel for you guys big time. The CDOW denies it, but wolves have already crossed the border. There have been several sightings reported, but they all state "unconfirmed" sightings. There was a sighting of 2 of them in the Piceance creek area north of Rifle,CO. One of my customers saw them and took some pics. He told me about them, but I didnt believe him until I saw the pics. No way where they coyotes. He notified the DOW about it and he was told no way was it wolves. How do they know that for a fact???

I honestly believe that the government knew that the wolf population would sky rocket once they where reintroduced. I think they wanted it that way as a way to control the deer and elk populations in hopes of eradicating hunting all together.
 
if there has ever been a time when the people needed to regain control of the government it is now.
we are standing by while our way of life is being flushed down the toilet
 
The Govt screwed up ! That surprises you HOW????????????? The elk have changed their habits so now bowhunting and calling them in kind of sucks.A lot of the guys I know have started using tree stands.........
 
these states have also increased the number of lic. for these animals...There are enough for both man and wolf the states just need to stop increaseing the number of hunters..
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This is no different
IT'S ONLY ABOUT MONEY AS ALWAYS.
 
Originally Posted By: TA17rem
Yes and there were fewer hunters also.. Do a little searching and you will find all this info. Look at Idaho for example they increased there lic. numbers last year for elk and some of the hunters are screaming the wolves are kill off all the Elk.. If so why the lic. increase if you have fewer elk????



I got to call BS!!!! The # of licenses has nothing to do with the # of elk hunters. First off you have to buy a license and a tag to hunt elk. It's the number of tags that are sold not licenses!!!! Look at the Sawtooth Zone in Idaho, 55 wolves are to be taken out of that zone this season. They also limited the # of elk tags in that zone to around 1800 tags last year where it was unlimited the year previous. The 4 units that make up that elk hunting zone are huge and pretty much all wilderness area. There is a reason they limited the # of elk tags in that zone and it has something to do with the # of wolves that they are looking to remove.

Gotta love it when people spew crap on the internet.
 
Originally Posted By: TA17remIf you do a little checking around the deer herd is at a all time high in S.D and some areas they have to many deer and had to cull abunch of them last year.. They could proably use a few wolves.
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Last year when the hunter in wyoming chased that wolf down with a snowmobile and killed it, made all of us look bad.. If this is the only way to get a wolf good luck on getting a season on them....

I live and hunt in SD. If Minnesota wants wolves fine, enjoy. It is very obvious that you don't have to put up with them on a regular basis. Neither do I but if they get into SD I have several relatives that will find themselve in that possition. Land owners in Wy do and don't like it. As for South Dakota WE DO NOT NEED WOLVES. PERIOD. The wolf "reintroduction" should never have been done. PERIOD.
 
jspencer, Sadly spewing crap is something that TA17rem specializes in. He can certainly say that he's never let the facts get in the way of his opinion.
 
"flushing down the toilet"
needs to start in Washington D C now.
We have a big chance to do that next November vote out all incumbants.
And as for the wolves the "shoot, shovel, and shut up is the answer to that.
 
Originally Posted By: TA17rem
Yes and there were fewer hunters also.. Do a little searching and you will find all this info. Look at Idaho for example they increased there lic. numbers last year for elk and some of the hunters are screaming the wolves are kill off all the Elk.. If so why the lic. increase if you have fewer elk????

This is just another example of someone spouting off information as fact. Those that live with the problem should be the ones coming up with the solution not some wanna be from somewhere else who has no clue about what they are talking about. Before you go and make points do your research and be able to back it up. You spout info. and within no time someone disproves your info so maybe you should be the one doing a little searching so that you can make educated comments.

Originally posted by: TA 17rem:
S.D. is putting venison on the food shelf for the needy..
Problem last year they where filled up so the state had to dump alot of deer. But you already knew that!
We have had wolves here in Mn. just as long if not longer than some of the western states and we also have a higher population of them... I live in the southern part of the state and have'nt seen a wolf in the wild yet, they pretty much stay where they are suppose to and we also have plenty of deer around...Record harvests or close to it every year....

Again this is a prime example of spouting off with no back up info. What is the number of wolves in MN? Or are we just supposed to believe it because you said it? Please if you really don't know what your talking about keep it to yourself.
 
How can you have a record harvest every year?

Oh, must be the .17 calibers punching through 5 or 6 at a time.


Elk in WY are hard enough to come by in areas that have no limit to elk tags sold,
 
"Just do a little looking on the DNR sites for each state, you'll find it..Look for harvest reports and lic. sold.."

That link I gave you was the DNR website and nothing there supports your claim. Still waiting on some factual data from you TA17rem. Something tells me that it is going to be a very long wait before you can produce any.
 
Im in Idaho and this year I've seen more elk than I have in my life. Don't get me wrong I don't like the wolves either I just don't know how they can cause more problems for the elk than the OCEAN of orange on opening morning. Was just out on a snowmobile ride and saw a dude poach a big bull, are the wolves the real criminals?
 
Kind of funny reading all the pros and cons of wolves. I guess it'll always be that way.

FYI on some of the post that I see.

First, the Yellowstone elk herds are hunted and have been for generations. Just not in Yellowstone's boundaries. Even as the wolf numbers increased the Montana FW&Ps increased tags in the Gallatin Late hunts. In recent times 3000 antlerless tags a year were given out. Yes wolves, bears, lions and HUMANS are responsible for the numbers reaching the 6000 mark in that region.

Secondly, it's been said that elk populations have increased dramatically on private lands. Wolves don't know boudaries. Humans do. If all the elk are on private, it's because of Human activity not wolves.

Ursus21, Our DFW&P's increased hunting tags and pressure on many area's that wolves have influence on. The Big Hole Valley has endured a 5 week either sex season the last 2 years. Many area's in region 3 have had extended either-sex
seasons long as 9 weeks, to get the elk killed off. They gave out over 3000 A-9/B-12 antlerless tags in region 3 last year. That gave people a chance at 2 elk. Want to know where the elk are going? The back of pickup trucks.In region 2 in 5 years of hunting, just out of district 270 and 250, 5000 head where harvested by hunters. That in an area that held 6000 at the high. Predators kill lots of babies and the recruitment isn't there for that much harvest.
Mis-management coupled with the fact the livestock Industry is trying to control the wildlife on their lands is how we got to this point. We just got either sex hunting, stopped over here in the Western part of the state. Some perm
 
Here is the Montana harvest report that covers a few years.
http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/planahunt/harvestreports.html#elk


Report from this year;It seems the elk harvest was up this year.. Those Dam wolves..LMAO
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Strong elk harvest in southwestern Montana
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..Harvest of elk was strong during the fourth weekend of the 2009 general big game season in southwest Montana. Deer harvest was below average.

Overall 7.7 percent of hunters checked game through the six check stations with 107 elk, 38 mule deer, and 15 white-tailed deer. About 2,076 hunters stopped at a southwest Montana check station.

The colder temperatures and snow got the elk moving and helped hunters harvest more of them,” said FWP Regional Wildlife Manager Kurt Alt.

Divide check station south of Butte saw the greatest percentage of hunters with game. Twelve percent of hunters checked game through the station with 27 elk, six mule deer, and one white-tailed deer.

Hunters passing through Blacktail station south of Dillon checked 11 elk, 2 mule deer, and six white-tailed deer. Approximately 9.7 percent of hunters checking through Blacktail had game.

Hunter numbers are down slightly from the five-year average of 2,478 hunters. The percent of hunters with game is about the same as the five-year average of 7.9 percent. Elk harvest was above the five-year average.


4100FPS: Thanks for the extra info. This should keep Ursus21 a little busy..Oh how is the crow by the way...
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Originally Posted By: letsgohuntnI honestly believe that the government knew that the wolf population would sky rocket once they where reintroduced. I think they wanted it that way as a way to control the deer and elk populations in hopes of eradicating hunting all together.

Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding...We have a winner. You hit the nail sqarely on the head here. How could they NOT know if you protect an apex predator and allow its numbers to go unchecked that if would not have the exact effect it is having right now. They knew exactly what they were doing and banked on all of us to be too stupid to figure it out and too apathetic to DO anything about it. Wolves were the stealth bomber used to dwindle big game numbers down to the point that they too will need to be put on the protected species list, thus eliminating hunting as we know it.
 
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