Worthy? coyote dog

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kirby

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If your dog can't catch a free range coyote by itself
If your dog can't kill a fresh caught coyote by itself[after all a coyote is not that big]
If your dog won't come to you when called[no shock collar]
If your dog won't run a cold track
If your dog can't clear a fence or is incapable of finding a way through, around or under
If your dog can't run/lope farther than a mile[insert fresh hound here]
If your dog won't get along with another dog
If your dog won't sound off on a cold track
If your dog quits fighting a fresh caught[non-shot]coyote
If your dog won't go into cover to pull a coyote out[face to face]
If your dog has less stamina/endurance than a coyote
If your dog won't fight a coyote head-on face-face or is a [butt biter]
If your dog can't get into your vehicle/box[without being lifted]
If your dog won't or is reluctant to cross deep water or other obstruction such as a deep ravine
If your dog has "ever" lost/loses a track

Then maybe your dog is a non-hacker & should be put down?

 
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Alright I'll play along. Any hound I ever hunted with[including mine, Dad's, Larry's or Willard's]. Not to mention other guys hounds we hunted with. Were doing good to meet 1/2 of the short list above.

Point being, a good hound is a far cry from perfect. Not even close. But a good coyote hound regardless. I only knew of one coyote dog that came close to being perfect. But he wasn't. That dog was a killing machine. Killed every coyote by himself/[dedicated kill dog]. Right after it was freshly caught. That large dog stood 39" @ the shoulder.

That dog fought a 65 lb coydog in SouWestern Iowa one Winter day. I don't recall the weight of that large dog. But I seen him up close. I'd est around 120-130+ lbs or so. All muscle, bone & attitude. He fought that coydog for a long while. He couldn't kill it. Yet it was near 1/2 his size. Although he was a good coyote hound. He wasn't all that, or perfect.
 
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Kirby,

You lost me dude.
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You made a statement/post, then came back and replied to it.
 
The thread on "culling" Got me to thinking about a dog's abilities. As well as what makes a good dog, in a hunters mind. [Not killing] that dog in other words.
 
Yrs ago, a farmer friend called my Dad. Farmer told Dad I have a female Greyhound to give away. Farmer had bought this dog origionally. Dad asked "why do you want to get rid of her"? Farmer told him, "she is slow".

Well this dog was only around 6 months old @ the time. Anyway, Dad went & picked her up. This dog turned out to be the fastest greyhound any of us ever seen. When she was an adult in her prime[2-3yrs old] Dad clocked her @ 50 mph[top-end]down a sandy/gravel road. That is quite an impressive speed for a greyhound, any greyhound.

She ended up being a good coyote/fox catch dog. Not to mention a good fighter. If that farmer couldn't of given her away. He probably would've put her down.
 
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If you are talking about a catch dog then you might be right but if you are talking about a decoy dog then you don't know what you are talking about.
 
Devin,

I'm talking about coyote dogs in general. Tell me, you know of any dog without a flaw. Or less desireable trait or ability? I have no doubt some dog owners. Don't give some dogs a chance to prove themselves.

Anyone who has owned hunting dogs. Knows or should know, you can't expect much out of a yearling or even some 2yr olds.

My storys above reflect truths about those dogs mentioned. That weren't fully understood. Until at a later time in that dogs life. A dog owner that takes lightly killing his dogs. After he/she has picked the cream of the litter. Is IMO, making a mistake. As he/she might be killing the best dog they ever owned or seen.
 
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Its a practice that many old timers still carry on. Ive known dog men that would cull a pup for not having a black spot in his mouth or a broken coat or being coon footed. Some men have their ways.
 
kirby, what do you mean coyote dogs in general, that makes no sense, you want a grey hound that will chase a dog down and kill it, i want i dog that will decoy one back to me, now your saying those two dogs are in the same group? no way, we are looking for to different dogs, if my dog did what you are looking for he would be headed down the road
 
greyhounds or stags, whichever you prefer... a one on one are few and far between, if this was the case why do they hunt them in drafts of 3 or most of the time 4 dogs?they send 4 dogs that avg 70 lbs a piece to tangle a 30 lb yote.
 
trapper,

What I'm talking about are coyote dogs. Not just a specific breed. My example list above is relative to sighthounds & trailhounds specifically.

Why some dog owners kill "unwanted young dogs" Whether they be pups, or yearlings. IMO killing young dogs is pathetic. Because they are deemed not the cream of the crop.

Some dogs [pups/yearlings] aren't given a proper chance. So why on Earth kill them before you even find out. I've stated before some dogs show what they are made of later in life. As compared to when as a pup or a even a 1yr old.

We've hunted 1yr old dogs with experienced dogs. A blind man could see the difference. Given more experience & time to mature, learn & build confidence. Most turn out to be good hunting dogs.
 
Your point you are trying to make ( I think ) is that some dogs may turn out at a much slower pace..???
You are correct, there are dogs that turn on at an older age or a slower pace and some do turn out to be very good dogs.
And you are correct many are not given the chance before they are culled.
The ods and percentages that a dog will turn out at an older age is so slim it is not worth taking the chance.IMO
I would never use a dog in my breeding progam that was a slow starter. That would defeat anything I am trying to acheive in my breeding.
I do not have the perfect dog. But that is no excuse to breed below standard dogs and hope for something better.
I am going to breed the best of the best and try and build a better dog than I have and if I can not do that then I will just go to the pound and take my chances with a mutt.
If a child is reading and writing in first grade and another child doesn't start until he is 30, which child do you think will be more successful at the age of 31?
If I have a dog that is hunting the game I want it to hunt at 7-12 months old, that dog has learned so much more and has been on so much more game and figured out so many more things than the dog that starts at the age of 2. The 2 year old is a year and a half, behind in experience and hunting.

If you are in search of a bleeding heart for the slow starters, you will not find it with me. Sorry.
 
Hi Devin, looks like we cut from the same cloth on this topic.
Arriving in the 'Boat July 31. My computer's down, I'll give you a call well before we head out. Looking forward to it.
It'll be a pleasure to hunt behind some good hounds once again.
Measure your dogs (pack) necks for me, I've got something for you once there.
John aka coloradobob
 
Kirby, you need to "clarify", your intention.
Sight dogs are a"type of dog", not a "breed", decoy dogs,are a "type of dog" not a breed.
Culling is a very personal issue. I for example have a kennel of 10 to 14 dogs all the time. When I start pups, they all get a "fair chance".I also run dogs year round,always have crippled dogs and need a "reserve".
If a dog doesn't make the cut ,it gets culled. I breed and sell dogs, and rarely make a pick of the litter, I do like most guys, "sell what buyers want, and train the leftovers".
I may cull a pup at 3 months, or 3 years. Depends on the pup.
You can choose to never cull a dog, if that suits you, or cull 9 outta 10,makes no never mind to me.
Your post (the first few at least) are confusing?????
 
If coyotes put a licking on those greyhounds why dont they cross them with a dog that has more cojones? My trail dogs will eat a yote if he hangs around too long and most of them weigh 30 to 45 pounds.
 
I sugest you put one on your dogs ALONE on a fresh caught coyote. Other than a coyote being run to exhaustion, or near it. It is hard for some to grasp how tough they really are, lb for lb. In an all out fight.
 
I raise hog dogs sir, they are created to tangle with animals four and five times their size, my old cur [beeep] has personally kiled one one on two and maimed the other after running him down. Ive also seen one attempt to bait my bulldog away and he wound up a chew toy. Coyotes dont stand a chance down here.
 
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