WT vs. FoxPro Observation

Doggin coyotes would you like to make a bet on my happings? I have a pilot and gunner who would tell you they saw me drop that coyote from the airplane as they where right above me! I don't tell tall tales that is what took place 100% factual.

I have been doing ADC for awhile and believe me when I say I was as shocked as anyone when this took place but the fact remains it went down just as I stated on here. In fact I was going to leave the rifle in the truck because up until it happend I wouldn't have belived it either. It did happen though.

My take is this the male couldn't see the female coyote once in the sunflowers they where calling home, heard my FP sounds and thought I was her he hit the opening to the hayfield and looked up at the plane he was 30 yards out from the flowers.Zero hesitation came running out of the flowers. I also know of guys that have the dog and coyote fighting while the plane is over head they pay no attention to it, reasons territorial instinct.

Another case of you learn something about coyotes everyday. You can call me alot of things, but a liar Not one of them! If you think the coyotes I have are dumb and blind why not make a trip and give them a wirl yourself? I'm betting your coyote densitys are much higher than mine which generally leads to more called in coyotes. In my area there are 6 calling contest each winter and the same grounds get hit for many of these. I have notcied a change in calling and locating and I use sounds that I feel others aren't using and calling alot of my coyotes at times of the year when most are not!
 
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Hey Doggin coyotes
First of all your coyotes are not as smart as the eastern coyotes they are not pressured as much.
Really yours are not as educated which makes them less causious.
Also you guys out west have more coyotes.
Just because you have not had coyotes come up to the call and howl dont mean it cant happen.
Has happened to me on 2 different locations.
Of course I was playing coyote vocals.
Maybe they just smell you.
Maybe you should try some Forget The Wind. LOL !
Or let me guess you allready use it.
This is the thing about hunting.
If it hasnt appened to you then the other guy must be lieing. LOL !
Jealiousy is a terible thing.
PUCKER UP!
 
I've read these FP vs WT debates over and over. My conclusion is if I could get a FP CS-24 with WT's coyote vocal sounds I would be in tall cotton.
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Yes Ursus21 your right.
I would even use a FP if it only had WT sounds on it.PERIOD!
For some reason guys here jump all over you if you mention WT.
WHY is that?
After all this is a forum to help people out,not to make one guy rich.
I want what works,and what I mean by that is when I going out I have the BEST chance to call in a predator.
And I have found the answer to what works and what dont.
And as far as the debate.
I would be willing to bet 90% of the guys who jump in it have not used both callers.
Heck they even debate Minaska calls.
Some people are easily mislead.
It is not there way or the high way!
I really dont care what anyone uses.
If they want to use brand X thats fine with me.
If people dont want to know the truth then dont ask!
 
Question for ADCcoyote: Have you ever had coyotes that the F-P would not bring all the way in or atleast to the 100 yd. mark????
 
I broke away from the Foxpros I had used and went with the WT for the FACT that they use actual sounds and the caller has way more volume. What more can you ask for ? The testimonials listed on WT website did help solidify my decision too.
 
Originally Posted By: MrgunslingerPlain and simple.
Far better and REAL sounds
Not all of FP's sounds are real.
Dont get me wrong they will call in coyotes but no where
near as many as the WT.
At least for me and a few other people that I know.
And they also have been the FP route!
As they say proof is in the pudding!
And I have had 5 different FP's then I seen the light.
Been predator calling for over 30 years.
So I do know a little about the subject.

I agree with that 100%, and I can add 40 more years to your 30. My WT has produced a much higher percentage of responses than the FP I had did. I know real animal sounds when I hear them and that's one of the big things I bought an e-caller for.
 
Hmmmmmm, I don't see how Dan Thompson, Ed Sceery, Gerry Blair, Les Johnson, Rich Cronk, and dozens of other good coyote hunters ever called in so many with mouth calls with your assessment of "Real" animal sounds being so important to you. How they ever called in many coyotes with an ecaller with their own recorded sounds of them operating their hand calls is also a mystery. Finally, you W.T. guys are living in a long ago past if you think the current W.T. units outperform the current Foxpro units. The remote does not even compare to the TX-500 for features or operating dependability. Look at the testing Gary in Ca. has been doing and you'll quickly find out which units are getting the job done. The "Unmentionable one" up in N.H. is too busy knocking the competition and posting false information about his callers to really be in the race. Long before I ever started using Foxpro callers or was named to their Field Staff, I had all the experience with his "Quality" that I could stand, and so did friends of mine. If you want an accurate report of how he treats customers, feel free to call Herb Patrick, attorney, in Clarksville, TN. He will be more than glad to fill you in on the sordid details.
 
Quote:Hmmmmmm, I don't see how Dan Thompson, Ed Sceery, Gerry Blair, Les Johnson, Rich Cronk, and dozens of other good coyote hunters ever called in so many with mouth calls with your assessment of "Real" animal sounds being so important to you.

First off you have to look where these guys are from and where they hunt. Most live in a coyote rich area.. As most know if you call in a area with high numbers you are gonna have some good luck just calling in any ol coyote with any type of hand call or electric, [beeep] even a green-horn will call a few.. Why do you think most vidio's are done in the south or south western states??? High coyote population..
If a hunter wants to call in just any coyote it canbe done with any electric caller on the market.. But if a hunter is after a certain coyote that may have a few years exsperiance then i believe the WT does a better job of getting it done...
If you pick the right sounds for the WT there is something there for every situation and then some so you don't need to have it down loadable for other sounds, why would you when the sounds are already there!!!!!

Quote: The remote does not even compare to the TX-500 for features or operating dependability.
It was'nt ment to be..Easey to use day or nite and fewer things that could go wrong with it.. I've had my caller for a year and a half and have used it more than some and i have had no problems with the remote or the caller...

Quote:If you want an accurate report of how he treats customers, feel free to call Herb Patrick, attorney, in Clarksville, TN. He will be more than glad to fill you in on the sordid details

I have not had any problems with Bill but from what i read there are a few.. Question is perhaps one of these guys that has a problem with Bill may have created it themselves..
I hear that a few have a problem but they don't really say what took place. Perhaps, just takeing a stab at it but perhaps a guy asked Bill if he would install some feature like F-P has knowing well off that Bill sells his units as advertised, no bells and whistles..Or maybe Bill would'nt sell to them cause they happen to pirate sounds from WT or other E-Call makers..Who knows for sure..
 
Possumal another FP field staff,wouldnt expect you to stick up for WT.
And if you dont know what the Real WT sounds and the great mouth callers have in common you dont need to be on any field staff.
What is in common?
Cadence of the call.
Has nothing to do with clearity,or 24 bit this or that.
You know why Wt doesnt have a field staff?
When you have a great product you dont need a field staff.
 
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but NOT their own facts. I won't live long enough to call in as many predators with an e-caller as I have with hand calls. I wanted an e-caller because I almost always hunt alone. I also call in a state where it's highly likely that at least one other guy calls in the same one square mile. I haven't heard it mentioned, but FP callers are probably owned and used by more hunters than all of the other brands combined. Most of them are probably loaded with many of the same sounds. My WT caller is one of the most expensive units out there, and based on cost alone, few own one. The buzz term in calling circles is "change up." IMO using real animal sounds IS a "change up" from the sounds coming out of FP callers in every county. I have "loyalty" no maker. I did extensive homework on e-callers and bought/tried several.
Now I've got one that gets significantly more responses than the others I owned and that is far and away THE most important feature I value. I can live with the inconveiences that I think it has, and I couldn't care less about the demeanor of the guy who owns the company. If you like the FP you use and it gets results you are satisfied with, good for you.
 
Fellows, I am not trying to start an argument with you W.T. fellows at all. I am not posting my actual experiences with the unmentionable one, or the experiences of friends, but I did give you a reliable source to check out some of his shenanigans. I have already posted legal proof long ago that what I say is fact, period.

Being able to program your ecaller with your own sounds, other sounds you own from various sources, and being able to use good sound editing software to make one punch sequences is way cool. You can't do that with a W.T. unit and that is a big disadvantage, IMO. A real good coyote hunter who is really good with mouth call, i.e. Cal Taylor, can put his own sounds on the caller and get the sound away from him and therefore get busted less. He can also put live animal sounds or a combination sound on his caller and get the desired results.

I don't blame anyone for not worrying that much about the demeanor of the guy who owns a company they deal with, as it may not bother them as long as they get a product they like, but to not care about his advertising practices or how he treats people who order from him is another story.

Foxpro does not require the Field Staff to post anything, and what we post is our opinion.
 
"I haven't heard it mentioned, but FP callers are probably owned and used by more hunters than all of the other brands combined."

I can agree with that.
I am not trying to stir the pot but would like to ask a question please. Which sounds of Foxpro are not "real"? I have 150 or so and the only ones that I know are not "real" are the ones from Bob Aronsohn which are very good crow sounds. Now if they come out with a "Chupacabra in Heat" sound I will be suspicious.
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So that "not being able to add my own sounds" was a big disadvantage, I thought carefully before I ordered the sounds I wanted on my WT. I was treated very well when I ordered the sounds over the phone and even added a few on their suggestion, they even added 4 extra sounds at no charge, so I really don't care if Bill didn't pamper someone who probably didn't deserve to be pampered for whatever reason. And I don't change sounds every minute or so, so that too isn't a big disadvantage. Maybe I'm more of a realist than other people here. End of story.
 
I haven't heard it mentioned, but FP callers are probably owned and used by more hunters than all of the other brands combined."

I highly doubt that as there more cheaper calls sold then the higher dollar ones.
Like Lohman,Johny Stewart and Dennis kirk and a host of others.
Dont know where people come up with this stuff,but it sure is funny!

 
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Originally Posted By: Mrgunslinger
Dont know where people come up with this stuff,but it sure is funny!



I had a dream last night. In my dream I was calling to some coyotes that I heard howling down in a big dry wash about a quarter mile away. All the sudden a coyote ran up, sat right by the call and started howling.

The really funny part about the dream is that my hearing is shot and I can't hear coyotes howling a quarter mile away. But possibly this is where people come up with this stuff.
 
MR gunslinger more coyotes and not as pressured out west? LOL. They are thin around sheep producers and some cattle producers because their tolerance for coyotes are low!!!!

They are pursued year round by ranchers,ADC, friends, recreational callers, calling contest and anyone who has a gun in the back window of the pickup or on the seat.

Their are plenty of states that have much higher coyote densities than the livestock rich western states. They have been hunted with planes,called,shot at, trapped,snared,m-44's and just about anything you can think of.

Forget the wind? Could you explain further?

TA17 :Have I had coyotes that wouldn't come closer than the 100yrd mark? You bet so has anyone with any caller e caller or mouth call if you call enough. Wide open spots sometimes you get spotted,sometimes the wind changes, sometimes your hunting areas that have had heavy calling pressure. Sometimes your not past that boundary line. What is your point? Your going to tell me ALL coyotes with a WT come in to 100yrds or less? really? cause I had the same problems on occasion and at the same rate when I owned a WT. Your stating all I need is a WT and every coyote aI or anyone calls anywhere will come to 100yrds?

Most of my shots are at 80-200 yrds if they stop at 200 and give me a great shot then I drop the coyotes if a pair or multiples then I try and get the furthest one as close as possible then shoot it first. Doesn't matter caller type IMO. Also matters if I'm packing both a rifle and shotgun, if only a rifle I don't want them at spitting distance.

MIfox your wrong as WT has lowered his prices to stay competitive and sell more units also lowered the price on sounds as well. Used to be the most expensive there are others in the same price range and higher now! When he was at 900.00 you could use that reasoning on a closed system, but still again NO system is 100% copy proof to many smart sound/computer people out in the world! Doesn't matter brand. You could careless of the demeanor of a guy you by product from? I guess you are in a minority when it comes to making purchases of any kind then, research has proven people care about how they are treated when buying anything and the service you get! I would think some are desperate or think a product is so above reproach that if you went and bought a car and the salesman treated you badly yet still bought the car from him? Every WT has been loaded with alot of the same sounds too what is your point? At least with other brands you can create your own or get other sounds and use them on the system.

Use what you want but to think A. You paid more for your WT therefor it is superior well then you do!B.Less warranty.c. The customer care I received from WT was poor no other way than to just say it and it matters how one gets treated again IMO.

I see many are called FP lovers, well alot of that is rhetoric I'm hearing on here from the WT crowd is almost word for word what The owner would say and claim can happen when using his caller LOL. Coyotes howling into the speaker and mythical reactions and the such. I guess the best one is how the WT can drive coyotes out of an area LOL.

Good Day and be thankful we live in the USA and we can all have choices and opinions!


 
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This is a good thread and a good debate is always welcome but name calling and a bad choice of words will not tolerated! Ive had to edit a couple posts already...Lets keep it clean guys...


Carry on!
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This is a good topic...
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Thanks,

Chad
 
Quote: What is your point? Your going to tell me ALL coyotes with a WT come in to 100yrds or less? really?

There is no point, i was just asking is all...
I thought you where going to tell me they do with a F-P..LOL
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