You get ONE predator caliber/gun.....

.50 bmg

Kills effectively on all pred/varm and has the range to really reach out and touch something. You ever blown up a whole p-dog mound from 1.2 miles away? Now that is living!

If that not an option then AR in .243 wssm
 
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I have used most calibers here in the East, and can tell you with no hesitation that the 223 Remington and down are marginal calibers here.

243 and up for Northeastern coyotes.

Use less and you will sharpen your tracking skills fast.



I use a 223 all the time for coyotes. Never had to track one yet. I dont even own a 243... Also have killed them with a 17HMR, which isnt supposed to kill them... huh...
 
Mine is a remington spartan mod. 94. It has a 12ga. 3" mag on top of a 223. I have millet rings that have open sights on top, which I use when shooting the shotgun. It comes with 4 chokes. I have a leupold 4-14 on it. I only get one shot at them anyway so the single shot doesn't bother me but I do have the op. of a shotgun when needed.
 
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I use a 223 all the time for coyotes. Never had to track one yet. I dont even own a 243... Also have killed them with a 17HMR, which isnt supposed to kill them... huh...




chuck308, this leads me to know you haven't had much action. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Got to call BS on this one. PM me please, and I'll give you my phone # so I can meet a hunter that is so accomplished. Always have an open mind to learn new things. I imagine you are just another bait/field guy shooting a couple dogs a year.

If you are the real deal I will appologize on this forum.

How about some pics of the coyotes you kill "all the time" here in Massachusetts. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif Seems odd, as any time you blow a call around here, you have a chance an actual 50 pounder will show at any angle. Wouldn't want to miss that opportunity with my 17HMR or even a 223.

I'm smellin' newbie, internet expert here /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif But I've been wrong before! Shoot me that PM so we can talk, as I love to learn new techniques for the Northeast.
 
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I have used most calibers here in the East, and can tell you with no hesitation that the 223 Remington and down are marginal calibers here.

243 and up for Northeastern coyotes.

Use less and you will sharpen your tracking skills fast.


What kind of ranges do you shoot where the .223 on down would be marginal ? I am not trying to imply that a 243 isn't a good yote cartridge at all . I just think that in most situations it's not necessary . My calling rifle is a 17 Remington and it has served me well .

Now , if the shooter is marginal . That's a whole different story !
 
Brian M - its not that the 223 is at all marginal on perfect hits. 223 kills 'em DRT on well placed hits.

BUT, in the East you are gonna have to go into the forest to kill dogs with any consistancy at all. That is a fact . Get a BIG coyote quartering into your calling at 60 yards, having to shoot through a tiny hole in the foliage before he gets downwind makes that perfect hit far and few between. You need some punch.

I've had more runners in 3 years with the 223 than 30+ with the 243.

With my 243 the quartering in 50 pounder that MUST be taken NOW on the point of the shoulder is no problem. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

I stand by my experience......... 223 and under is a marginal Eastern gun.

 
Unlike some of you I dont have to worry about ammo cost for all the coyotes running around. As it stands I've not even killed one. Oh, have seen a couple here and there but still not a good shot on one.

My choice is my .257weatherby mag. No, I dont do pelts. Yes, I want them down when they are hit (remember, I dont see many) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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If I was that worried about my shot placement on a 50+ lbs. coyote, and wasn't getting any indicator where they were till they were on top of me, I'd use a shotgun. Thats just my opinion.
 

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If I was that worried about my shot placement on a 50+ lbs. coyote, and wasn't getting any indicator where they were till they were on top of me, I'd use a shotgun. Thats just my opinion.




MPFD - The shotgun would suit me 75% of the time. But man, I only call about 20 coyotes a year (that I see), and to have that big one pop into a hole in the forest at 70 yards and vanish is a heartbreaker. Thats why I'm into the 243.
 
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I use a 223 all the time for coyotes. Never had to track one yet. I dont even own a 243... Also have killed them with a 17HMR, which isnt supposed to kill them... huh...




chuck308, this leads me to know you haven't had much action. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Got to call BS on this one. PM me please, and I'll give you my phone # so I can meet a hunter that is so accomplished. Always have an open mind to learn new things. I imagine you are just another bait/field guy shooting a couple dogs a year.

If you are the real deal I will appologize on this forum.

How about some pics of the coyotes you kill "all the time" here in Massachusetts. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif Seems odd, as any time you blow a call around here, you have a chance an actual 50 pounder will show at any angle. Wouldn't want to miss that opportunity with my 17HMR or even a 223.

I'm smellin' newbie, internet expert here /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif But I've been wrong before! Shoot me that PM so we can talk, as I love to learn new techniques for the Northeast.



Not to start a long drawn out "who's better" discussion, but with the exception of a few dogs that I've had to look for at night simply because they fell a few feet from where I shot them, I've yet to have to track a dog either, and I hunt exclusively with a .223, and yes, I see plenty of action. I know a few guys that hunt with a .17rem and they probably kill 10x more dogs than I do. So I wouldn't jump so quick to call b.s. on this one. Of course, I live in the west and our spaces are much more open than you guys back East.
 
jephs422- reread, actually reread the whole post. OK. California has no resembelance at all to New England, and your coyotes are dinky. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Out in the open in California, I would be OVER GUNNED with a 223. I'd just shoot my little Fireball, and live happily ever after. This is about the East sir.

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BUT, in the East you are gonna have to go into the forest to kill dogs with any consistancy at all. That is a fact . Get a BIG coyote quartering into your calling at 60 yards, having to shoot through a tiny hole in the foliage before he gets downwind makes that perfect hit far and few between. You need some punch.



Its about hunting where the coyotes live around here. In the forest.

Guess you fellas will never understand how different things are in the Northeast. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
LOL, Our coyotes aren't dinky.....they're all models, they're supposed to be that skinny. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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LOL, Our coyotes aren't dinky.....they're all models, they're supposed to be that skinny.





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Thats a good call. I'd take my .243 calling before any of my guns. I just got an AR that I like very much, but I'm use to using the larger cartridge with moderate success. After using a .243 the 5.56 seems marginal. Here in Kansas it isn't unusual for a dog to hang up out around 250 yards, or run about 250 after my first shot and turn around to see what happened, and that extra punch is nice to have. I have gotten more into night hunting this year and I am finding my scatter-gun to be more and more user friendly.
 
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