Best 640 resolution thermal for the $$

Depending on which reticle you have or use, some can be used as a rangefinder.

This reticle measures 4 MOA top to bottom, & figuring a coyote averages 8" through the chest.

Here it is at 100 yards on a coyote decoy, covers about half the chest:

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So at 200 yards, it basically fits just inside the chest, & at 300 will be larger than the chest.

Unfortunately I took videos at 2 & 3, so I can't post the images w/o downloading to YT.

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I have 3 thermal scopes all 384 core. I keep thinking I need a 640 but I had good success with what I have. Just this past week I killed 2 red fox that were over 300 yds ( according to on x ) and that's a small target. I shoot a 204 and zero @ 200 and so even if I had a LRF I probably would not shoot farther but it would still be nice to know the distance. From what I have seen the 640's really shine in super high humidity.
 
Like Alf, I use the reticle to gauge my shots for still targets. Moving, it's best guess. If using a LRF and ballistic calc, if range is off or you forget to re-range - missed shot? My longest would probably be 250 yds anyway.
 
Good morning all and thanks for the feedback. Wildflights.. thanks for that tidbit. Dave, you're like a grandfather on this site and have forgotten more about coyotes than most of us will ever learn. You know deep down you need a thermal!! Seriously they are amazing. My Thermion 2 has been rock solid over 3 years now. I just need better. Ha. Also I've learned I can purchase a new Bering Super Yoter for $3000.00 shipped through their LE pricing. But that's a whole different battery system so more money there. Choices. I'm very interested in everyone's thoughts on these 640 units before I spend the money on one. I'm an older fart (not a fossil) so it will probably be my last one. Thanks all. Dave, an afterthought... are your still posting those amazing pictures? I'm not on here as much as in years past.
Crazyyote,
Bering LE pricing, I didn't see a form on their website. Call only? LE only or Military discount also?
Thanks,
Lance
 
So I was told oneleaf.ai has a presence in the US with a warehouse and CS now.
After doing research, watching videos ad nauseum from seasoned + green thermal users and actually conversing with some of those users on a sub $2k 640 res scope merits and very few detractions I ordered scopes at different times with different lens options (35, 50 and 75mm) to test them.
Usually when something is too good to be true it is, but after all the praise I've been hearing I got's to know ?
SJC
 
it would be very nice if someone had a thermal dealer close enough to view the different options. i think being able to look thru a thermal in the dark in a very long warehouse would sell a lot of thermals
 
So I was told oneleaf.ai has a presence in the US with a warehouse and CS now.
After doing research, watching videos ad nauseum from seasoned + green thermal users and actually conversing with some of those users on a sub $2k 640 res scope merits and very few detractions I ordered scopes at different times with different lens options (35, 50 and 75mm) to test them.
Usually when something is too good to be true it is, but after all the praise I've been hearing I got's to know ?
SJC
So, what is your conclusion and will you give us a review of your findings?
 
" in the dark in a very long warehouse would sell a lot of thermals" IMHO watching actual thermal videos is a much better way. Yes, actually handling one gives a better feel for use, going thru menus and such.
 
it would be very nice if someone had a thermal dealer close enough to view the different options. i think being able to look thru a thermal in the dark in a very long warehouse would sell a lot of thermals
With the product reviews available online and on forums such as this a person should have a good idea on what they need without handling an optic.
That being said, there are many distributors down south that have demo units available and can set up times to meet and handle optics.
Some have rentals available too.
Most shooters are too focused on the cost rather than the specs and waste money buying bare minimum budget optics.
So, what is your conclusion and will you give us a review of your findings?
When I receive the scopes I'll test them and let my thoughts be known if it'll meet the OP's best 640 res optic for the $$.
There are reputable shooters around the globe that have had the MT1000 scope in their possession for awhile and have given periodic updates as to the scopes reliability in all sorts of conditions.
I've heard more positive than negative and even the negatives were really just personal preferences that didn't affect the scopes function.
I have certain requirements that need to be met before I spend my money to look at or test an optic and I didn't give oneleaf a look when they came out because they didn't meet my first requirement, which is US representation.
SJC
 
I wrote my review of the Mars OneLeaf MT1000 back in early December. Here we are in late January 26 and my scope is still functioning well above its weight class. My Super Yoter has continued to be my backup thermal. I am not a representative for Mars and get no percentage for selling anything. I'm just giving my honest opinion. I don't claim to be a thermal expert and my experience is limited to 4 Pulsars, 1 Bering Optics Super Yoter, 1 Phenom, 1 IRay, and the MT1000. There has been some concern on warranty and repair work if/when needed. I have been told by someone who knows a lot more about thermal companies than I do that it could be an ITAR problem shipping these scopes out of the country for warranty/repair to Hong Kong. I don't know if that is correct. I purchased mine through Amazon and the rep. for the Mars store through Amazon assured me that all I had to do was send it to her if needed and she would take care of the rest. They have been very responsive to my questions. I am including the review here as it has not changed, and adding a couple of more recent coyote hunting videos.
From Dec. 2nd post:
To further answer your question, I purchased the One Leaf as a back-up to my Bering Optics Super Yoter. I liked it good enough that at least for the time being I'm using it exclusively on my main night rig. Things I like, view is great, 18650 battery, LRF works well, Ballistic Calculator works well, but I've only shot it out to 275 yds. so not really enough to tell. Has playback mode through the scope which helps in finding coyotes after the shot. It also had sound recording which you can hear on the videos. Video recording is good and can be done in various minutes according to user needs. Also can be set to start automatically when the scope is turned on or turned on manually. Controls are easy to figure out and on-screen menu pretty much explains everything you need to know. I have mine set to 60hz refresh rate, and the scope doesn't show any blip when it NUC's, shutterless they say.

Things you may not like, it doesn't have wi-fi, so you have to download firmware on a computer and then put it on the micro sd card which loads it automatically when you install the card back in the One Leaf. It doesn't come with a QD mount, so if you want to change it easily from one rifle to another you would need to purchase the separate QD mount which runs $99. The mount it comes with seems to hold zero well enough. I don't know about CS of course which could be a nightmare, but One Leaf has been very responsive in answering a couple of questions I had on the ballistic calculator. Warranty is only 3 years instead of 5, but the price is about 1/3 to 1/4 of scopes with similar features. So far, I have been more than pleased.

There seems to be a fair number of videos on the features on YouTube, but not many hunting coyotes yet. Most are reviews done by people who were sent free scopes to review. I purchased mine from Amazon because I knew I would have a 30-day free return window if it turned out to be a dud. I caught the 50mm model on sale during the 4th of July there for $1619. It was a 10% off sale from the regular price of $1,799. It ended up to my door at $1,730 including tax. I'm not representing One Leaf in any way or for any benefit. If it turns out to be a dud, I will certainly and surely post it here. Right now, I do not see how the mainline manufacturers are going to be able to hold those higher prices for very long which is a benefit for every night hunter in the long run, but the exception will be that it will allow many more people to get into night hunting. So cheaper prices benefit, but more hunting competition makes it more difficult.









 
As DoubleUp said, bought the Oneleaf 50mm as a b/u when my Thermion XG50 went in for a minor issue. on a Black Friday special. I as "shoots100" said, looked at tons of internet stuff and talked to DU before purchase. Received it 7 days after ordering from Oneleaf over Thanksgiving weekend!
THOROUGHLY IMPRESSED to say the least for all reason stated above and it is now my primary.
I did have a problem getting it sighted in but that was "me" not understanding their algorithm changing the x/y coordinates automatically to 1x values when I was in 3x--drove me crazy. After a couple quickly responded to emails, my wife got me to understand what was happening ;).
Another thing I am having issue with is when using Clipchamp to edit videos they become very "twitchy"--still working on this with emails to Oneleaf and Clipchamp. I got responses that I need help "translating" because I am a 'computer dumbshit' and am not at home until later in the week.
I have been a thermal user since 2020 when they became legal In PA and have previously owned 3 Berings (r25 is still a b/u scanner), still own a Pulsar Thermion XG50 and a RIX ST6 scanner.
I have a couple vids posted in "calling in the east" but they are so twitchy that they are hard to look at but you can see the image quality. I have shot 4 coyotes with this scope with ranges between 160 and 247 yds per its LRF.
Good to hear they have a USA facility if true.
 
I like what I see. You used 4 different reticles, Doubleup, have you settled on one? When you change from one reticle to another, do you have to re-zero?
 
I have found that the dot reticle covers 1/2 the body at 200yds and the full body at 285. This is in 1x (2.8powere) but in the PIP which is 5.6power. Tested this on 2 dead coyotes.
BTW-I paid no shipping, tax, tariff, nada directly from them $1529 and a lot of youtube guys have some kind of discounts.
 
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