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None of our objectives have been achieved, the trajectory hasn’t moved forward — it’s shifted into damage control.

Over the last 41 days "ceasefire," the focus has increasingly become getting back to the baseline that existed before we attacked. If the goal was progress, why does the outcome look like rewind?
 
Most of the world agrees on the goal with Iran — but not on how it’s being handled.

The execution is driving escalation risk, alliance fracture, and global economic spillover.

Same objective, growing doubt — and no clear endgame.
 
All I know is that "Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive (Proverbs 17:28)".
Good counsel to follow.
To be clear, this is only a self reflection.
Yeah, that’s a solid principle in general. There’s definitely value in not reacting to everything in the moment and staying measured.

At the same time, silence isn’t always neutral — sometimes it just means other voices set the entire direction of the conversation while the people affected watch it happen. There’s a balance between restraint and being disengaged from decisions that still impact you.

Either way, I get that you’re speaking from a place of self-reflection.
 
Look fellas, we are on the same team. We all want what is best for America. I support bombing them to the stone age, if there is a strategic outcome and don’t want to see us lose. It sucks, I just see grim days ahead and don’t feel we are in the position they are telling us we are in. I am not buying what this administration is selling us is all I am sayin.
 
I've been eating a lot of popcorn lately.
But, what I will say is that there hasn't been an administration that I have believed in decades.
There also isn't a news source that I fully trust.
There isn't a podcast or podcaster that I fully trust.
I don't trust Russian news sources.
I don't trust Iranian news sources.
I don't trust Russian, Chinese, Iranian or any other foreign leaders rhetoric.
We live in a dystopian world of nonstop propaganda from every side.
We are fed only what "they" want us to chew on.
Somewhere out there there is truth, but it's not from any of the above.

"God is our refuge and strength, A very present help in trouble (Psalm 46:1)".
 
We seldom got real news about WWI, Korea, Nam and now we get 'news' every day from every know-it-all with a computer. We knew Germany was rebuilding mil. after WWI, Japan was building a war machine, China was getting into Korea, China was getting into Nam and did NOTHING about it! We've known about the middle east problems and done nothing for 50 years. When something was done, it was done improperly, primarily for political reasons.
 
If you decide everything is propaganda, you don’t gain clarity—you just lose the ability to tell what’s real from what isn’t. Truth isn’t found by trusting everything or trusting nothing, but by checking what holds up across competing sources.

 
So let’s talk about what actually holds up when you compare competing sources. Smith is a Democrat—he wears a different jersey—so no, you don’t just take everything he says at face value. But writing him off entirely as “propaganda” misses the point just as much.

He made a point that, morbidly, made me grin. He called out Trump’s rhetoric of “entire populations being wiped out,” then said something worth sitting with: “Yes, the IRGC has a brutal record and has killed tens of thousands of its own people—but are we in a competition over who can kill the most Iranian civilians?” :ROFLMAO:

It's not the label. Not the source. The overlap—where even people on different sides of the aisle are pointing at the same uncomfortable reality.
 
fellas, we are on the same team
That is a fact. we are, even when we disagree of how to go forward. We as a collective group of folks with differing perspectives just fail to come back to this core strength.
I've been eating a lot of popcorn lately.
Same here, I've went to post several times to this thread. Only to delete everything before posting. Instead going the route of thinking it all the way through before saying something. Not to appear wise, or to not have a confrontation of thoughts / beliefs. Never have I been the type to go along to get along. Honestly believe that it is ok to disagree, and full agreement is not needed for goals to be met. Sometimes it's simply best to say I disagree and let it drop. Not because I've given up my "stand" or beliefs. I simply don't need validation from others, nor do I seek it.

But, what I will say is that there hasn't been an administration that I have believed in decades.
There also isn't a news source that I fully trust.
There isn't a podcast or podcaster that I fully trust.
I don't trust Russian news sources.
I don't trust Iranian news sources.
I don't trust Russian, Chinese, Iranian or any other foreign leaders rhetoric.
We live in a dystopian world of nonstop propaganda from every side.
We are fed only what "they" want us to chew on.
Somewhere out there there is truth, but it's not from any of the above.
I wholeheartedly agree, The truth is out there, just as always it's elusive.

Honestly, in my humble opinion:
a. we are the mushrooms.. fed crap and left in the dark. This is not new but has been going on longer than I've been around. But that is not restricted to a nation but on a world wide scale.
b. "we" could solve the Iranian problem. We just don't have the resolve to do so. Be that spiritual, or our sense of humanity at it's basic core.
c. Democrats, Socialists, Progressives, and, or Communists have one thing in common create strife among the masses divide and conquer. Just actually listen and they will reveal the ugly truth. I could expound hours on this, only to put most to sleep. It doesn't win the argument. A lot of the social platforms simply carry the water / kool aid .
d. the use of fear has been used by all sides effectively, to create tribal communities that some speak of. Like every lie it must contain a shred of truth yet outlandish to be believable.

So yes, we are on the same team. We do have a sense of what is best for us Americans and desire that outcome. No I really don't care about the world stage and what other nations think of us. I've been to their countries I know what they, and I mean the people not the leaders think of us. They are jealous, yet they could have the same thing but fail in the commitment stages. Honestly they don't like us as a nation regardless of what we do to help or assist. Instead they want it to be handed to them, this is now infecting some of our own countrymen. This is a shame in my opinion.
Look at the difference of "Freedom" . Europe and majority of the world it's based not "collective" rights. The rights of the populace is supreme over the individual. Here we base it on "individual" rights the rights of the individual is deemed supreme until it encroached on the individual not the "collective".
We are via "fear" "safety of the masses" , propaganda going more and more towards the European / World model in that regard.

If you decide everything is propaganda, you don’t gain clarity
It is propaganda, You nor I is supposed to have clarity period. Instead of reacting, and knee jerking Listen carefully to all apply reasoning what matches.

We NO longer have the media simply state President _ _ _ _ _ signed the executive order or bill into law. and then move on instead it's push a narrative / opinion.
I'm all for the News cycle, I'm against being told what to think. I much prefer the older news system of reporting as Joe Friday said " Just the facts" .....
 
That is a fact. we are, even when we disagree of how to go forward. We as a collective group of folks with differing perspectives just fail to come back to this core strength.

Same here, I've went to post several times to this thread. Only to delete everything before posting. Instead going the route of thinking it all the way through before saying something. Not to appear wise, or to not have a confrontation of thoughts / beliefs. Never have I been the type to go along to get along. Honestly believe that it is ok to disagree, and full agreement is not needed for goals to be met. Sometimes it's simply best to say I disagree and let it drop. Not because I've given up my "stand" or beliefs. I simply don't need validation from others, nor do I seek it.


I wholeheartedly agree, The truth is out there, just as always it's elusive.

Honestly, in my humble opinion:
a. we are the mushrooms.. fed crap and left in the dark. This is not new but has been going on longer than I've been around. But that is not restricted to a nation but on a world wide scale.
b. "we" could solve the Iranian problem. We just don't have the resolve to do so. Be that spiritual, or our sense of humanity at it's basic core.
c. Democrats, Socialists, Progressives, and, or Communists have one thing in common create strife among the masses divide and conquer. Just actually listen and they will reveal the ugly truth. I could expound hours on this, only to put most to sleep. It doesn't win the argument. A lot of the social platforms simply carry the water / kool aid .
d. the use of fear has been used by all sides effectively, to create tribal communities that some speak of. Like every lie it must contain a shred of truth yet outlandish to be believable.

So yes, we are on the same team. We do have a sense of what is best for us Americans and desire that outcome. No I really don't care about the world stage and what other nations think of us. I've been to their countries I know what they, and I mean the people not the leaders think of us. They are jealous, yet they could have the same thing but fail in the commitment stages. Honestly they don't like us as a nation regardless of what we do to help or assist. Instead they want it to be handed to them, this is now infecting some of our own countrymen. This is a shame in my opinion.
Look at the difference of "Freedom" . Europe and majority of the world it's based not "collective" rights. The rights of the populace is supreme over the individual. Here we base it on "individual" rights the rights of the individual is deemed supreme until it encroached on the individual not the "collective".
We are via "fear" "safety of the masses" , propaganda going more and more towards the European / World model in that regard.


It is propaganda, You nor I is supposed to have clarity period. Instead of reacting, and knee jerking Listen carefully to all apply reasoning what matches.

We NO longer have the media simply state President _ _ _ _ _ signed the executive order or bill into law. and then move on instead it's push a narrative / opinion.
I'm all for the News cycle, I'm against being told what to think. I much prefer the older news system of reporting as Joe Friday said " Just the facts" .....
Apply common sense to what’s happening. Media spin is real, but the underlying facts are still there. Look past the framing—some realities can’t be hidden. The alternative is to bury our heads in the sand, vote blindly, and stay quiet.
 
I wish I had the luxury of saying politics are boring, and I don’t need to pay attention to what’s going on in the world. ‘Geez, everything’s getting expensive, and now the government says I can’t do this or that...
 
Look fellas, we are on the same team. We all want what is best for America. I support bombing them to the stone age, if there is a strategic outcome and don’t want to see us lose. It sucks, I just see grim days ahead and don’t feel we are in the position they are telling us we are in. I am not buying what this administration is selling us is all I am sayin.
Here Here.
The proposed end game IMHO is for a regime change in Iran and for the citizens of Iran to be free to keep Iran a peaceful country.
That's not going to happen when the populace has been beaten down for 50 years, are unarmed and untrained to overthrow the combat hardened IRGC who will assassinate anyone that tries to take away their power and control.
China and western countries need their oil, so bombing the refineries isn't going to happen.
80% of Iran is living in the stone age, so bombing them isn't going to accomplish anything.
What needs to be remembered is that Iran is funding terror around the globe and a nuclear iran can't happen or else millions will suffer.
To think that they'll arm themselves with nuclear bombs, the missles to deploy them and not use them or threaten to use them for nefarious purposes is naive.
Almost 25 years ago after 9/11 this country pulled together to defeat terror and Iran is the epitome of terror.
It's not just time for America to make a stand, it's time for the other civilised countries to stand with America to end this bullshit once and for all.
SJC
 
“Yes, the IRGC has a brutal record and has killed tens of thousands of its own people—but are we in a competition over who can kill the most Iranian civilians?” :ROFLMAO:
Yes, and this was tested in the past It was Nazi Germany. Liberating Soldiers either captured/ tried the SS, let the remaining Jews handle them, or ,simply just shot the SOB's on the spot in the concentration camps. That Generation of Americans had no problem with any of the method, didn't shy away from it. Simply did what they felt was just and needed and move on.

The local populace was paraded through the camps, made to observe, bury the dead. Forced to keep the concentration camp intact (to this day) as much as possible to a reminder of what was done. Even a fine was imposed on recovering West Germany to the "Jews: many actual German and other nations citizens. Russia our ally simply used the captured Germans as forced labor most died before being released decades latter.

Why bring this up? it is honestly to demonstrate the resolve of our proceeding generation. One must remember that fateful day in June when every town in the US was notified of the loss of soldier sailors, and marine. It would probably explain without many words "why" the events unfolded as they did.

Sadly, I find myself trusting what Smith is saying more than what Trump is saying
There isn't a issue with that. And I don't have a issue with your opinion. merely showing a differing view point from historical perspective. In order to let one see my view point.

If one applies just a little bit of thought into what I've mentioned one would realize "we" are not applying a resolve based on common ground instead "let's create chaos" within a cycle. Sadly it honestly takes a "Pearl Harbor", or a "9/11" to forge that resolve, instead we love to bicker amongst ourselves overlooking what binds us.


‘Geez, everything’s getting expensive, and now the government says I can’t do this or that...
every year since I turned 18 it's been exactly that way .... every year a "new" law that hinder individual freedoms, every year the buying power of my dollar is less and less.
The "only" solace I can say is it's still cheaper than when Biden was in (fuel wise) . Does it help? no, is it a actual truth? depending on where in the nation you are yes.

I wish I had the luxury of saying politics are boring,
A pit full of vipers is never boring. I've always kept a eye on the politicians. As they always had the ability to take a bad situations and make it worse touting it being progressive or in the nations interest.

ETA

Honestly all just slow down read this thread, and the Iranian uprising one.

It seems to me the common theme is the IRGC simply must go. Now the question is do we have the resolve that is required. In order to defeat the foe we simply have to adopt the same tactics or better.
The rest of the world will do nothing unless we bull nose them into it. This is not new, simply a fact. They will bicker over stupid stuff, over simply looking at the common goal. Their policies lead us into two world wars and in order to actually get the UN, NATO and other alliances into play required US the U.S. to become involved. This is not one sided thoughts or history but a truth.

Does the U.S. have a great track record for this (regime change)?? NO!!!
BUT it IS WAYYYYY Better than Europe / Asia / Orient, or Russian's track record which yes is way longer time period than we have been a nation.
I honestly don't care what you use as a matrix for comparison we simply are still the "shining city on the hill" The last bastion of hope and liberty. Sometimes we simply forget this. Think fuel prices or groceries is high here. Pfft go elsewhere, gas is sold by the liter not gallon and usually is higher. Food is almost a luxury, land and dreams we hold dear some semblance of fairness not even a fleeting thought.

In the end is is quite ok to be upset with a President, a Legislative body, a Judicial system that may or may not be what some consider fair. If you really want better put in the work at the grass roots level get involved. Attempt to fix what you and your fellow citizens consider broke. If they come after you with smears and accusations then your tactics are working.

My personal favorite President was Ronald Reagan, I only agreed with him about 55 to 60 % of the time.
 
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I dont mean to bring religion into this but, I think all this current world stage show is happening is because the Jews want to build the temple where a current mosque sits. You can look that one up. They have been going at it for centuries. Now our gov just made a press release yesterday about a federal task force to combat anti-semitism, some 15 city national awareness & action tour.
 
I dont mean to bring religion into this but, I think all this current world stage show is happening is because the Jews want to build the temple where a current mosque sits. You can look that one up. They have been going at it for centuries. Now our gov just made a press release yesterday about a federal task force to combat anti-semitism, some 15 city national awareness & action tour.
I absolutely agree religion is at the core of this, along with power, security, and history all feeding each other. At this point, both Israel and Iran see the other less as a rival and more as a threat to their survival — and that’s what makes every escalation so dangerous, and now we are caught in the middle of it.

But I also think this has grown beyond religion alone, to keep us committed. To me, oil running our livelihoods has become the second, if not dominant, objective. Once oil and infrastructure get involved, the effects stop being regional and start hitting common folk everywhere.

I could be wrong, but it feels like resuming strikes is just a matter of time, and we’re heading toward another cycle where both sides frame escalation as “defensive” or “necessary retaliation,” and each response becomes the justification for the next one.

My concern is that this doesn’t end with a few fast strikes. It grinds on as a long, contest of wills where civilians continue to suffer and die while governments call it strategy.

At some point, it stops feeling like politics and starts feeling like people everywhere just trying to hold onto basic livelihood. That, or we call a strategic loss a win and walk away. They were willing to negotiate the nuclear aspect before; now they are not, and have every reason to pursue it to ensure they never get hit like this again.
 
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