1/4 Inch Groups

I agree. I don't use a BR rig for hunting. While I like all the accuracy I can get for pdog shooting, truth is, I'll kill the majority of them I shoot at with a rifle that'll do a 3/4" group...or even slightly more.

For big game, I use a .270 Win that'll average around 3/4", and I've never, ever had to wonder if it was accurate enough for the task at hand.

Against antelope, I use my LR pdog rig, a 700 VLS in 6mm Rem. With 95 grain NBT's, I can get it to group ~3/8" with H4350 at slightly less than 3050 fps. OTOH, if I'm willing to accept 1.25" groups, I can get it moving at 3340 fps. Considering the wind conditions normally encountered where I antelope hunt, I consciously decided to use the less accurate, but faster, load.

As in everything, there's trade-offs.

I strive for sub-.2" in a BR rifle that's totally useless for any other application simply for my own amusement.

Mike
 
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Yeah,There was a guy here last winter claiming his Steven's 200 was shooting 1/4" group's with Winchester White Box ammo.

It sparked a debate of course,then how one measure's group's & that was another debate.

Man i'm sure glad i never get caught up in those debate's /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif



Dave you get caught up in a debate about a Stevens 200 or 1/4 groups, NEVER. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I can honestly say I am a huge fan of my 200 but capable of 1/4" all I would call BS on. I hav shot a couple of 1/2 groups with it, but like everyone else has said the internet is a good thing but not when it comes to group size IMO.
 
Let's face it - quality HAS gone up considerably over the past quarter century. It's more likely to find a 1/4 inch rifle now than it was in 1980.

That being said, it's also alot more likely to find larger fish on a fishing website, faster cars on an automotive website, bigger racks on a (get your mind out of the gutter) deer or elk hunting website, and tighter groups on a predator website. It's funny how the Internet, like alcohol, makes everything bigger/faster/stronger/tighter.

All people who post on the Internet are [beeep] liars, except you and me - and sometimes I'm not so sure about you (or me!)
 
The key to good groups is being a skilled stalker this is not difficult on a paper target. I am sure that I can get the group that I want even from an off the shelf pistol, with this system.
 
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Yeah,There was a guy here last winter claiming his Steven's 200 was shooting 1/4" group's with Winchester White Box ammo.

It sparked a debate of course,then how one measure's group's & that was another debate.

Man i'm sure glad i never get caught up in those debate's /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif



Dave you get caught up in a debate about a Stevens 200 or 1/4 groups, NEVER. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I can honestly say I am a huge fan of my 200 but capable of 1/4" all I would call BS on. I hav shot a couple of 1/2 groups with it, but like everyone else has said the internet is a good thing but not when it comes to group size IMO.



I agree the stevens 200 is a great shooting rifle but I have never got mine to shoot 1/4, especially with the horrible factory trigger. I have fixed my trigger and cant get but 1/2".
 
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A 1/4" group to a benchrest shooter is not good at all. IN fact, if you shoot 5 five shot groups in a registered match, that were to average .250, you would place somewhere in the middle of the pack out of 200 shooters.

For benchrest shooters, they would strive to shoot groups of .250 or LESS at 200 yards, not 100 yards.

When a guy that has been a benchrest shooter quits shooting Bench rest and goes to varmint hunting, he takes with him the same equipment, knowledge of this and that, and most importantly the use of wind flags.

The use of a wind flag is the single most important tool that a guy can use to improve his group size, they are cheap and simple to use. Practically no one listens to this most practical of advice.

There are few of these us guys that dobble on this board, but they most often keep their mouths shut...too bad. We all had to learn from a mentor how to shoot with extreme accuracy....hopefully, we never quit learning.

By the way, 3 shots measure a groups potential, 5 shots measure how you read the wind and conditions along with consistant bench techniques to prove a load.

On custom guns, I am looking for three shot groups in the .100 range or LESS. You can even use two shot groups when working with powders that you just are wanting to try, and with the two shot groups, you are wanting the bullets in the same hole. With any groups you fire, you have to check them on different days to see how the weather has changed the load, thus the reason why benchrest shooters load at the range to alter their load for the conditions present.

I say again, you need a $50 wind flag, two would be better, put one out at 35 yards and the other about 75-80 yards, have them where you can see them in your scope. Wind flags will save you a ton in reloading components and give you results quicker than you would ever believe.

Be happy for the guys that get a 1/4" group out their rifles, in stock factory rifles, they are rare indeed.
It's only human nature for us to remember some of the best days of our lives in a more positive lite, especially with a favorite gun....I call it "Retrospective falseification".
I don't think that it is a good deal to destroy a guy's dreams...let him have them....no skin off my teeth.



Right on! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

I shot centerfire benchrest competitively, and learned much from the experience.
I have several factory rifles that will shot three shot, 1/4" groups at 100 yards. I've been shooting and reloading for 61 years, and have learned how to shoot small groups. There are a whole pile of targets on my bench to attest to the accuracy of some of my rifles. I don't waste my time and bullets shooting 5 shot groups with hunting/varmint rifles.
The original poster wants to peddle his displeasure about those shooting small groups, and I ain't buyin'. A negative thread like this one produces nothing of value.
 
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Yeah,There was a guy here last winter claiming his Steven's 200 was shooting 1/4" group's with Winchester White Box ammo.

It sparked a debate of course,then how one measure's group's & that was another debate.

Man i'm sure glad i never get caught up in those debate's /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif



Dave you get caught up in a debate about a Stevens 200 or 1/4 groups, NEVER. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I can honestly say I am a huge fan of my 200 but capable of 1/4" all I would call BS on. I hav shot a couple of 1/2 groups with it, but like everyone else has said the internet is a good thing but not when it comes to group size IMO.



I agree the stevens 200 is a great shooting rifle but I have never got mine to shoot 1/4, especially with the horrible factory trigger. I have fixed my trigger and cant get but 1/2".



It is ammazing what you can do with that factory trigger isn't it. They are great shooters for the price. 1/4 groups would be a stroke of luck and or some internet group deflamation with one.
 


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