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Heymartay said:
I’m talking the avg speed of most popular varmint cartridges, which I’m sure most people got the drift on that. 204-4000,22-250-3700 and so on. Guess I could use my 7 mag with light bullets and go 3800 but that what my swifts are for. Better comparison is why more people use a 22-250 that a hornet. Speed.
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Well, my 20" 6 ARC shoots 55 grain bullets within 70 fps of what a 26" 22-250 tikka shoots Winchester 55 grain ammo, verified by two different chrono's.
Oh, and I'm using 60% of the powder the 22-250 is... So....?
 
There’s Hornady’s load info for bolts. You guys are gonna be real sad when you find out how bad a 22 arc is gonna stomp a mud hole in 22-250, unless you have an 8 twist… lmao!
 

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I see 58 grn v-max, max load at 3300 so don’t think so. I’m also seeing 32 grand of powder gor the arc. Seeing 34 grns of powder for the 250 going3600. 55 grn bullet. C’mon man
 
Well you can lead a horse to water… But you can’t make him read. Ok, since you let’s go Brandoned me, I’ll revise my figure to 70%. These are both saami spec numbers from two bolt guns with the same length barrel. Sorry it doesn’t follow your predetermined ideas.
 

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Heymartay said:
I’m talking the avg speed of most popular varmint cartridges, which I’m sure most people got the drift on that. 204-4000,22-250-3700 and so on. Guess I could use my 7 mag with light bullets and go 3800 but that what my swifts are for. Better comparison is why more people use a 22-250 that a hornet. Speed.
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Heymartay said:
We’re talking gas guns now.
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So you have a 22-250, Swift and a 7mm RM gas gun??

You can just admit you didn’t know what you were talking about.
 
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The question is will a barrel with the twist and chambered for a long bullet shoot the lighter bullets well and what speed is accurate? My beef with the shooting over yonder cartridges is the lack of twists available and the fact there will probably be a big bullet jump.
 
varminter .223 said:
The question is will a barrel with the twist and chambered for a long bullet shoot the lighter bullets well and what speed is accurate? My beef with the shooting over yonder cartridges is the lack of twists available and the fact there will probably be a big bullet jump.
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Both of my rifles shoot the 75gr vmax fine. Thought about trying the 58gr, but don't really have a need. Both are 1:7.5''.
 
Those r fighting words! I’m anything but ,that’s why I’m in Montana. Stop twisting my facts around to suit your fantasy. DONE
 
wildflights said:
75 Vmax is a good coyote bullet. What kind of velocity are you getting out of it?
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27.5 grains of IMR 3031 and a 75 grain vmax does 3k from my 16” barrel and 3100+ in the 20”. Shoots pretty well. It’s a mild load for max brass life, you could go hotter.
 

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Nice. I'm not a turret twisting gong ringer. Like bullets that kill stuff. All that 105 talk makes my eyes glaze over like the Walking Dead.
 
Personally I think the 22 Arc looks a bit better for varmints given the advent of the new 62 eld vt. The .395 bc of the 62 grain bullet at 3300 is at that "fast enough" speed for normal coyote killing range. Without rolling out the ballistic calculators I'm guessing it is within an inch or so of the 22 Nosler, and the 6.8 SPC variants etc shooting sub .300 bc bullets with less wind drift. All probably within the 6 of one half dozen of the other category. The 6 Arc is entirely built around heavy for caliber bullets and the advantage is over 500 yards from what I see. The argument has been made that it is not designed to be a varmint cartridge but then when the speed argument is brought up the varmint weight bullets are interjected. Without the new 62 eld vt I'm afraid the 22 Arc would fall in the same non varmint category. Problem is if it won't shoot the 62s the other option is heavier bullets or bullets it is not designed to shoot.
 
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The reason Hornady probably made a limited run of 6 Hagar brass is to make their new cartridges marketable. For 87 and lighter bullets I doubt it can be beat in the AR platform. Ours are 24" 10 twist and were chambered with our custom reamer and will run

87 VMAX 3050 with Benchmark and 3030 with 8208

70 BTS 3400 with AR Comp (3365 ish most accurate)

65 vmax around 3500 if I recall with 31.5 8208

60 Sierras a bit over 3500 with the most accurate load.

sub 1" nickel sized accuracy at 100 with above loads. They are Xcaliber unchambered barrels chamber by Lee Gardner Precision and it has sold me on proper chambering techniques. I am considering a Hagar 24" varmint contour for a Savage. 70s at 3370 ish in that smaller case would be a winner.

Longer bullets would eat case capacity but then again windowed mags might cure that. Lots of marketing going on.

One last though that big Grendel case head is limiting pressure on the Arc's as well.
 
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@varminter .223 ^^^Exactly. Most of these cartridges aren't all that different and its really what barrel/bullets are offered. Even good ol' 5.56x45 really aint bad with some of the high performance ammo like Barnes 69 OTM going 3000fps with .33 BC out of my 18" ar. Especially if were talking about 300 yards max distance which is about my limit night hunting.

Also tested some Superformance 223 53 grain Vmax last weekend. It was going 3300fps out of my 18" and has a .29 BC. Pretty freaking good for 223 just hope its accurate.
 
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