12ga. Choke and Loads for Predators

Kick's Industries Buckkicker choke tube:
www.kicks-ind.com You'll see the " Gobblin' Thunder there also.
However, I bought mine from Natchez Shooters Supply. I was ordering some other stuff and noticed they had the Kicks chokes for a few bucks cheaper. www.natchezss.com /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I just use a plain jane Remington 870 Express that I've added a magazine cap with a sling stud to, and a stud to the buttstock along with a shell holder, and a nylon sling. I use an extra full-turkey choke, and stoke it with Winchester's 3 inch copper coated BB's. It handles the close in work very well.
Mongojoe
 
Hey Varmint Hunter!

How've you been? Long time no hear from! Anyway, I'm interested in your use of #2 & #4 Hevi Shot. I just recently got some of the Remington #2's along with a Briley Hevi Shot choke, but haven't tried them yet. Can you give us some details about how the #2's have performed, when you would use #4, etc.?

ScottD
 
Hey Varmint Hunter!

How've you been? Long time no hear from! Anyway, I'm interested in your use of #2 & #4 Hevi Shot. I just recently got some of the Remington #2's along with a Briley Hevi Shot choke, but haven't tried them yet. Can you give us some details about how the #2's have performed, when you would use #4, etc.?

ScottD
 
Rich and Bob, glad to see you guys chip in!! LOL!!

Rich,
That Hevi-Shot is awesome in testing so far but they don't have the #4 stuff ready yet. If it works half as good as the other stuff, it should be great. Seen some awesome performance from 20's on turkeys!!! Hope to check out this stuff soon.
 
Scott. I have been testing HEVI shot for four years. Started back before it was approved for water fowel.

I have never put another bukshot in my gun.....

Lazer ranged witnesed kills.

Hevi shot 7 1/2 Snow Goose 82 yards Both wings and neck broke. Thirteen pellets penetrated chest.

Hevi shot # 4 (Not Buck shot) Three pellets penetrated skull of Gray Fox 62 yards 12 penetrated chest passing through body.

Hevi shot #4 Coyote 56 yards 2 pellets through skull 18 in chest cavity.

Havi shot #2 was used on coyote at 35 yards results to grusome to post. I drew a Coyote as best I could. Shot it from a bench at 50 yards. Out of the 62 pellets in a #2. 47 were in the target. Think what that would do to a live Coyote.
 
To date I have only taken 32 dogs with the scattergun, but after doing testing with a lot of different loads this is what I came up with to be the best - for me.

Bretta 303-26" barrel
Rem 870-26" barrel
#4 Buck in Fed & Rem 3" gave the best pattern in a 30" circle at 40 yds using a Pattern Master choke.
*37 pellets into the circle out of 42 - this is excellent!

Not much else to say!

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Coyote Control
 
varmit hunter,
If you are fully honest regarding the results you are getting with HEVI shot, then I am very interested in which brand of choke tube you are using and what is the choke tube I.D. ?
 
Just a note to add. Supposedly Remington is bringing out a new high velocity number Four Buckshot loading with Hevi-Shot! If this pans out we may truly see a 75 yard load that can put canis latrans lights out at such extended distances.
 
Varmint Hunter,

That is impressive performance indeed! I'm curious - On the coyote that was shot with #4 Hevi-Shot, did it run after being shot?

If larger shot becomes readily available with this stuff, like BB's or this new Remington #4 buckshot, this could surely add a new dimension to the use of a shotgun for predators.

Personally, I've made some pretty spectacular kills on turkey with Hevi-Shot, and I'm going to do my own testing on predators this weekend.

ScottD
 
Rich, and Scott
I am being totally honest about my results. The reason being I was not testing shot, But chokes. I am on the Gold Staff for Lohman. I was testing a choke called the Marsh Master for Goose hunting. The testing was done to be ready for when the Feds approved HEVI shot for water fowl.

We have dropped the Marsh Master from the line. We are now developing a new choke for HEVI shot.

Try this. Get a box of ten # 2 are 4 HEVI shot. Set up a 5/8 sheet of plywood at 40 yards. Also fill a gallon milk jug with water, And set it up at 40 yards. Try to equal the results you will get with any other load. Shoot the heavy shot in a standard modified barrel. then please let me know you're results. Notice I said a regular modified choke. I am not trying to sell anything here, But cleaner kills. I do not blame anyone for questioning my results.

Coyote Control. You're results with #4 Buck are truly spectacular.

Ronnie Robison
 
varmit hunter,
If I had known this was Ronnie R that was posting, I never would have questioned the results. I have known for quite awhile now that the HEVI shot would one day be long range champion of shotgun fodder. Expensive yes, but may well be worth it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Rich and VH,

I knew it was Ronnie to begin with. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I wasn't questioning the results at all. My only question, initially, was how well it actually killed the coyote in the example given. If the coyote runs 100 yards or so after being shot, that's not always a plus. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I was turkey hunting last spring, and a deer ran by like the devil himself was after her. In reality, it was in the form of two coyotes. The first one got by me, but I shot the second one with a load of Hevi-Shot #5's at a distance of about 10 yards. I won't even begin to post the results here. Suffice it to say it was a mess.

I have a PatternMaster choke for Remington barrels. It works farily well with buckshot, and only slightly less so with BB's. But I don't get near the results that everyone else seems to with any load.

I have some Hevi-Shot #2's and I'm going to try them this weekend. If they work like this, I may become a "shotgun only" or at least "shotgun mostly" guy for most of the areas I hunt.

ScottD
 
Sorry Scott. I never did answer your question. They all crumbled on the spot. The Goose had to be the most spectacular. There was a engineer with me. I forgot to say that the Goose also had a broken neck. We watched as the Goose hit the mud so hard his Lab could not pull it out. His remark was "You turned a perfectly good flying Goose into a feathered bowling ball".

There are many more results I can't post here. I can tell you when I demonstrated it to the Sheriff's Dept. They where astounded. The D.A. was there. And said they could not use it. The results on human shaped targets were way to gruesome. At thirty yards the 1/4 plywood target holders looked like a chain saw had ripped them apart after only three shots.

Rich C, Thanks for the vote of confidence.
 
I have a PatternMaster choke for Remington barrels. It works farily well with buckshot, and only slightly less so with BB's. But I don't get near the results that everyone else seems to with any load.
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In my experience some folks swear by the PatternMaster, more swear at them. I like the Kick's choke tubes and just don't seem to hear any bad regarding them. I've recommended them to quite a few, nobody has complained yet. I'm sure there are some folks who didn't have a satisfactory experience with a Kick's tube. Somewhere.....maybe... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

A ten yard coyote isn't a test. A 40-60 yard coyote is. I'll still weigh in on the bigger pellets for the Hevi-Shot. The BB, BBB, and number Four Buckshot should be devastating and extend our ranges with good chokes to a considerable degree. In fact, where I hunt most often, a high velocity .12 gauge 3" loading of BB Hevi-Shot would probably negate the use of a rifle at all. If I could make clean, sure, humane, consistent kills at 75 yards, the Benelli semi-auto would get the nod for 80% of my coyote hunting. As is, it probably goes out on 30%-50% of my stands. I trust my load and choke combo now for this at 50 yards everytime. In the wide open with a clear, broadside, standing coyote I might stretch the range some. But not out past 60 yards tops.
 
I'm with GC on the fact that if I had a shotgun/load/choke combo that gave consistent performance out to 75 yards, I'd use that shotgun most of the time for all my predator hunting. In fact, thinking about most of the places I hunt right now, I can't think of but one or two where I'd pick a rifle. UNTIL I have such a combination though, and even though the info on the Hevi-Shot appears to be very exciting, we need to remember that a shotgun is still a close-range weapon - 50 yards or less IMO, and these Hevi-Shot loads will make it a more effective short-range weapon.

ScottD
 
GC thinks a lot like I do. I had a Pattern Master tube for one day, well maybe two days. That bugger appears to be an improved cylinder tube with a higher price tag, or at least that is what the patterns I got looked like. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif The "Kicks" choke tubes are expensive, but appear to be worth the extra money. HEVI shot is expensive, which is why I havn't tried it yet. Now having said that, I would also like to say this---- There are a lot of fairly new coyote callers out there who have not yet spent their allowance on big bucks choke tubes. These same folks probably already have a standard shotgun with modified choke, and could purchase a box of #2 HEVI shot. This would put these folks into the coyote whacking world without breaking the bank. Then when the new BB and #4 BUCK is available in HEVI shot-----WOW!
 
Here's a picture of my calling shotgun with a mid-size Ozark Mountain coyote I called right after a snow storm.
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