17 Hornet ammo update

Originally Posted By: reb8600Originally Posted By: Jamey_70Lot 3132833.

Are you showing they are or are not crimped because I dont see one.

Its a very light crimp but its there. You can see it on the two cases on the right. If you can enlarge the picture that might help.
 
Originally Posted By: FurhunterOriginally Posted By: reb8600Originally Posted By: Jamey_70Lot 3132833.

Are you showing they are or are not crimped because I dont see one.

Its a very light crimp but its there. You can see it on the two cases on the right. If you can enlarge the picture that might help.

I agree totally with Furhunter. As I stated in my post, the crimp is not highly visible like with military ball 5.56 ammunition, but they are crimped.

It took some close looking at my friend's brass to see the crimp that is also visible in the brass in the photo unless you just want to decide that it isn't crimped. My friend thought he was OK with reloadable brass until I showed him evidence of brass crimping. It is more evident on some cases than others, but it exists on all of them if you look closely.

As for reloading the brass, I have no idea if its safe to do so or not.
 
Originally Posted By: Jamey_70Lot 3132833.


In the photo supplied if you look at the case on the right. In the areas around the primer from about 9 o'clock around to a bit past 3 o'clock, you can definitely see crimping marks.

Same same with the next case to the left from about 10 o'clock to 3 o'clock. With a clearer picture I'm sure all of the four cases would show crimp marks. For me, the two cases on the left are blurry enough in the photo making it hard to see the light crimp that has been used.
 
I think the crimp is put in to keep the large rifle primers from backing out due to the higher pressures than the case was designed for. Wonder when the small rifle primer hornet case will come out? I doubt I am the first to think of that. I have 10 boxes of the 3132833 ammo as well, it came from Gander Mountain.
 
When I look at the photo the mark you are referring to looks like a ring an the outside of the head. I was able to finally pull out some of my ammo and look at it. I have lot 3120496 that has a fairly heavy crimp and lot 3122175 that the crimp is not as much. The photo just made it look different. I also compared it to some new brass I have. I had never noticed it before.
 
Originally Posted By: jrnmI think the crimp is put in to keep the large rifle primers from backing out due to the higher pressures than the case was designed for. Wonder when the small rifle primer hornet case will come out? I doubt I am the first to think of that. I have 10 boxes of the 3132833 ammo as well, it came from Gander Mountain.

Huh....?? Large rifle primers...? Higher pressure than the case was designed for....? Huh, again...?
 
Being the way I am.....

I'd shoot that stuff, resize it and see if it held a new primer. I've got lots of brass that's got less than perfect primer pockets and if it held a new primer with any tension I'd load it up and get at least one more firing out of it.
 
Originally Posted By: reb8600When I look at the photo the mark you are referring to looks like a ring an the outside of the head. I was able to finally pull out some of my ammo and look at it. I have lot 3120496 that has a fairly heavy crimp and lot 3122175 that the crimp is not as much. The photo just made it look different. I also compared it to some new brass I have. I had never noticed it before.

It's easy to overlook if you're not expecting to see a crimp.
 
Originally Posted By: jrnmI think the crimp is put in to keep the large rifle primers from backing out due to the higher pressures than the case was designed for. Wonder when the small rifle primer hornet case will come out? I doubt I am the first to think of that. I have 10 boxes of the 3132833 ammo as well, it came from Gander Mountain.

The Hornet is small rifle primers. What high pressures?
 
Surprised some of the high rollers on the other thread, that think everyone but them rows with one oar in the water. Haven't shared their wisdom here.
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Originally Posted By: wdenikeSurprised some of the high rollers on the other thread, that think everyone but them rows with one oar in the water. Haven't shared their wisdom here.
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And, High Ruler of All Threads, which thread might that be?
 
It Looks like a light crimp ring all the way around. I have read on another forum the crimped primers are silver. The original non crimped rounds had gold primers. Also read that Hornady stated the crimped rounds were not suitable for reloading. Supposedly the primer cups are tapered. All supposed to be fixed on the Next Batch due in March 2014. This is what I have seen being discussed on the net. Better Pic not mine. The crimps on the rounds I have is not this heavy.
 
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It seems weird that they would crimp primers on a Hornet round. It is not a high pressure round because Hornet brass will not take high pressure loads. It is about the weakest brass still in production.

Jack
 
Speculation: PR move. New caliber, Quickest and safest fix to at least keep some ammo going out to the public instead of recalling it and Shooters having guns with no ammo. Mabey the pockets were so bad this was the only fix.
 
There were supposedly some quality issues with some of the initial runs of brass. Being that the post-Newtown market dictated forcing as much brass out the door as possible as quickly as possible, and more new brass probably wasn't an option for a year or so, supposedly staking was a fix to an issue that they couldn't immediately "fix" otherwise. Google up a search - been discussed elsewhere.
 
Originally Posted By: Mike BThere were supposedly some quality issues with some of the initial runs of brass. Being that the post-Newtown market dictated forcing as much brass out the door as possible as quickly as possible, and more new brass probably wasn't an option for a year or so, supposedly staking was a fix to an issue that they couldn't immediately "fix" otherwise. Google up a search - been discussed elsewhere.


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Wow cant believe I have not come across this. My buddy and I went shooting and some how one of his rounds got mixed in with mine and when I shot I could tell a difference in sound.

I did not think anything of it and when I went to reload I noticed one round had a silver primer. Come to find out I think my buddy had a box of all silver primered brass and of what was left in the silver primmed box there was two rounds with the primers in backwards.

I think I may have recently reloaded some of the silver primered brass is it safe to shoot?
 
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