17hmr Penetration Testing

So which is it?

Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGIn summary, on small game, I would expect the 17gr bullets do a lot of damage to a depth of 1 to 3 inches and a small base penetrates to about 4 maybe 5 inches. The 20gr bullets expand like a miniature big game bullet within the first 2-3 inches but mostly just punch a small hole to a depth of about 6 maybe 7 inches.



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Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGI'll keep to my theory that the 20gr XTP pretty much sails straight thru without much if any expansion and overpenetrates, which theory is backed by more evidence than you have to show the contrary.

I'll give you a little time to let it all sink in. Maybe tomorrow you'll have a well developed thought to share.
You might even have a fox taken with an XTP to help base your decision on.
 
It's probably both. We're talking about a .177 diameter bullet that might expand to a whopping .20-ish diameter. WOW. Whether it expands or not, it still punches a small hole and over penetrates much like a FMJ, hence the multiple accounts here of the running wounded. How thick do you suppise a fox's chest cavity is, maybe 4" across? So my theory is that the 20gr goes half way thru a fox before it expands, and the expansion is minor, then it exits.

You gonna keep tossing insults my way or do you have anything useful to add? You got any more of that sausage left cause I have a suggestion of where you can put it.
 
Hey, if you're own words are insulting, then quit posting. It's insulting having to read this crap.


They do expand...wait they don't expand....
I got him... wait he wasn't recovered...
That's bad shot placement... wait you recovered him...
Your bone test is invalid... wait your bone test shows minimal expansion and backs up my "latest and greatest" theory...
Evidence backs me up.... wait, I have no evidence, they ran off...


I'm not interested in what you'd like to do with my sausage.
Thanks for the offer, but I'll decline.

We are enjoying your waffles though.

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This was a decent and informative thread until you started getting all snippy.....
Good luck on your next theory....

 
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOG You got any more of that sausage left cause I have a suggestion of where you can put it.

HAHAHAHA, HMR Threads always bring out the best in people! Love it!
 
Any bets on whether a V-max over-penetrates a waffle, how about broadside versus head on waffles, are belgian waffles too much for a 17HMR, does syrup change the results? I think this thread is toast, pun intended.
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Originally Posted By: ARCOREYAny bets on whether a V-max over-penetrates a waffle, how about broadside versus head on waffles, are belgian waffles too much for a 17HMR, does syrup change the results? I think this thread is toast, pun intended.
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V-max does a pretty good job on waffles, but I have found that i have a real problem with splash when i cliped the blueberries. Artaficial syrup made no notisable affect on the penetration, but the thicker heavier Maple Syrup really seemed to set off the detination. My best results were experienced however when shooting apple butter covered Waffles, The vmax completely disinigrated in the center mass of the waffle, i have shot atleast 17.5 this way, all drt. However, The V-Max just doesnt seem to cut the mustard when it comes to the heavier, tougher Pankakes. I would seriously reccamend a HP for these, and maybe even keep a good backup shooter with a solid just in case, as they can be pretty dangerous when injured!
 
I agree with CH66 and acorey. The 17hmr is a very good choice for night hunting foxes and coyotes under 100 yards. For these i would use the 20 grain XTP for controlled expansion and deep(er) penetration especially for the larger dogs. I lave this round as an overall truck gun and i also use it for the occasional fox hunt. I have taken multiple coyotes and this little round is fine as long and you avoid the shoulder and put one in the lung/liver area. They do not drop often but they usually only run about 50 yards (I'm referring to the 'yotes as the foxes do usually drop). And as far as an animal walking ten yards before expiring, it is your personal opinion and, to be honest, dirty dog must not be big/medium game hunter.
 
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Well here's what I got from this thread,
the sausage & the waffles got shot all to [beeep] ( no breakfast there)& the phone book's so messed up I can't even find the number for take out !
good reading though.
 
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGIt's probably both. We're talking about a .177 diameter bullet that might expand to a whopping .20-ish diameter.

If facts matter, it's actually a .172 di bullet.
 
Just a little real world experience to digest after that big breakfast......I know nothing about the HMR but my son just got one for coon calling and the ballistic tips were all staying in ,no exit and then he tried some hollow point bullets (not sure what prefix this is for a bullet) and hit a coon in the neck , coon coming down tree toward him. Bullet went in neck ,through front leg area,through vitals ,out abdomen , into back leg ,shattered leg , and out............. So he went back to ballistic tips as we are looking for nice , clean ,no blood ,one tiny hole ,dead fast coons. That is a one bullet test on one coon but it opened our eyes , big. Not thinking we are going to do a test with syrup covered coon or bacon rapped , ect. Just calling and shooting and the skinning knife showing results... Jim
 
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DiRTY DOG said:
It's probably both. We're talking about a .177 diameter bullet that might expand to a whopping .20-ish diameter.


I wish you have measured the width of the 3 bullets after you extracted them from the phone books, cause they sure look llike they expanded to more than just .28 inches. Especially the 3rd one. Just a thought.
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Shot my first free range fox with my HMR this weekend and used the 20gr. GamePoint. I've been wanting the opportunity with this gun, but it usually gets passed over due to distance or coyote heavy areas. I was amongst houses and needed a smaller gun than the 17rem, so it got the nod. It was not the shot I like, but a chicken theif gets no breaks
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. The shot was a little wobbly, but it was a frontal shot at about 60yds. She was a decent sized red and was very slightly quartering to me. I didn't feel comfortable making the head shot with her bobbing around so much while being called at night, so I aimed at the V of her neck and exited back about middle of the ribs. She spun a few times, yelped, then flopped on the ground a few times. Dead within a few feet and a matter of seconds. It was the shot I usually avoid with this gun since there was no bone there. There was a pinhole entrance, a dime sized exit in the hide, and tons of blood in the chest cavity. No autopsy since it went back a ways toward the guts and I skinned her in the basement
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, but due to the amount of blood, I'm guessing the heart was hit. Bullet did as I expected, soft tissue allows it to penetrate with severe bruising around the exit and good blood loss. Hopefully I get a few more test subjects to cooperate soon
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Excuse the cheesy cell phone pics
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Thanks for the info. The little 17HMR does a good job once again! I havent killed many fox but the ones shot with the 17HMR DRT!
 


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