22-250 difficult to chamber after FL resizing

Roger London

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I have a TC Venture 22-250 that I reload for. It chambers factory ammo or new brass just fine, but my reloads are very difficult to close the bolt on, after even one firing. I'm using Forster Benchrest dies in a Forster Coax press. To get them to chamber, I have to run the sizer die down to the point that I'm putting a pretty good dose of pressure on the die and the shell holder jaws. Just touching doesn't get it done, anybody have any suggestions on what I might be doing wrong? I don't have this problem with any other caliber I reload. My Venture may just have a very tight chamber.
 
Hi I have the same gun . I had too trim the brass. I have never shot any factory ammo in mine. I am using RCBS press and RCBS and Lee Die's full length size trim and they will work for me. I have the TC in 22 250 204 280 and soon 25/06.
 
Does your empty brass feed back in the chamber easily after you fire it? If so, you may try either partial sizing or get a neck die and see how that works... just some ideas.
 
Sounds like your not getting the shoulder bumped back far enough.If your FL sized brass chambers with a tight bolt close screw the die in a 1/8 of turn till it chambers.Some other things you might check.
Your seating depth.Possibly into the lands?
Your trim length.Brass a tick too long?
How many firings on this brass? Might consider annealing.
 
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What is your C.O.A.L. on your reloaded ammo?

The other day I reloaded some 243 ammo and made them the C.O.A.L. that the Hodgdon reloding data called for. When I went to shoot them it was hard to close the bolt.

I found out that I was shoving the bullet into the lands when I was closing the bolt. So I had to seat the bullets deeper into the brass.
 
Originally Posted By: BeluebowSounds like your not getting the shoulder bumped back far enough.If your FL sized brass chambers with a tight bolt close screw the die in a 1/8 of turn till it chambers.Some other things you might check.
Your seating depth.Possibly into the lands?
Your trim length.Brass a tick too long?
How many firings on this brass? Might consider annealing.

I was making the assumption that since he was putting serious pressure on the shell-holder he is a far down as he can go. The bullet OAL maybe a possibilty. I doubt seriously that once fired brass could be too long.
 
Originally Posted By: Roger London
I have a TC Venture 22-250 that I reload for. It chambers factory ammo or new brass just fine, but my reloads are very difficult to close the bolt on, after even one firing. I'm using Forster Benchrest dies in a Forster Coax press. To get them to chamber, I have to run the sizer die down to the point that I'm putting a pretty good dose of pressure on the die and the shell holder jaws. Just touching doesn't get it done, anybody have any suggestions on what I might be doing wrong? I don't have this problem with any other caliber I reload. My Venture may just have a very tight chamber.



Your cases are not too long - there is 20 to 30 thou of space in front of that new case and there is no way the case can stretch that much without the head falling off.

Some questions - can you chamber a fired (but not sized) case, or is it difficult?

Remember that there is a variation in allowable chamber lengths... and there is also a variation in die lengths too. You can have a minimum chamber and a maximum die, and maybe run into the problem that you have now... but that is a guess since we don't have much information.

Do you have a neck sizing die??
 
Do you have a bump gauge to measure your sized brass?

Originally Posted By: CatShooter
Remember that there is a variation in allowable chamber lengths... and there is also a variation in die lengths too. You can have a minimum chamber and a maximum die, and maybe run into the problem that you have now... but that is a guess since we don't have much information.


I'm guessing minimum chamber and maximum die. I've had that happen with a couple of Forster dies on a Co-ax press.
 
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You may need to shorten the loading die or shell holder a little. I have two or three sizing dies that I had shortened on a lathe.
 
Originally Posted By: Orneryolfart357If you shorten the shell holder, how can that help?

It will allow the brass to go deeper into the sizer.
 
Originally Posted By: venaticHe has no shell holder to grind down....it’s a Forster.

It can be did.
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Originally Posted By: venaticOriginally Posted By: BeluebowSounds like your not getting the shoulder bumped back far enough.If your FL sized brass chambers with a tight bolt close screw the die in a 1/8 of turn till it chambers.Some other things you might check.
Your seating depth.Possibly into the lands?
Your trim length.Brass a tick too long?
How many firings on this brass? Might consider annealing.

I was making the assumption that since he was putting serious pressure on the shell-holder he is a far down as he can go. The bullet OAL maybe a possibilty. I doubt seriously that once fired brass could be too long.

I missed the once fired part.My apologies.
 
I'd like to know if the die is screwed down tight to the shell holder while its up or is the press actually cramming over on the upstroke against the die.
 
Roger,
Everyone before me has covered just about everything that could be the cause of your problem. I experienced much the same issue (and more) with a Ruger M77 Target Gray model and the culprit appeared to be not having bumped the shoulder back sufficiently. But then, I was only able to get 3 reloads out of my Remington brass suggesting a potential headspace issue. That baby was examined by two different experienced Gunsmith (separately and at different time) and she passed the go/no go test with no other noted deficiencies. Still, that girl wouldn't stop eating brass after three reloads. Since I got the BR bug, I'd had enough after about 1 1/2 yrs of foolishness and that baby is now a 6.5X55 that no longer eats brass and shoots like I never thought she ever could. I suppose that's an example of why we refer to our rifles as "she".....get the picture? You just can't please some of them. Hope you find what makes your girl happy.
 
Originally Posted By: ShynlocoRoger,
Everyone before me has covered just about everything that could be the cause of your problem. I experienced much the same issue (and more) with a Ruger M77 Target Gray model and the culprit appeared to be not having bumped the shoulder back sufficiently. But then, I was only able to get 3 reloads out of my Remington brass suggesting a potential headspace issue. That baby was examined by two different experienced Gunsmith (separately and at different time) and she passed the go/no go test with no other noted deficiencies. Still, that girl wouldn't stop eating brass after three reloads. Since I got the BR bug, I'd had enough after about 1 1/2 yrs of foolishness and that baby is now a 6.5X55 that no longer eats brass and shoots like I never thought she ever could. I suppose that's an example of why we refer to our rifles as "she".....get the picture? You just can't please some of them. Hope you find what makes your girl happy.

There are some fundamental things to understand about brass and chambers.

1 - Go and no-go gauges tell you very little about case head separations and headspace problems.

"Headspace" (with a capital "H") is the measurement of the length of the case to a certain place on the case (called the datum line).

In the case of the 22-250, the chamber headspace can be from 1.5749" to 1.5849" - so the chamber has a "window" of 10 thou and still make the "Go and no-go" test.

Add to that, the case itself, with a headspace window of from 1.571" to 1.578".

Now, if you are an astute reader, you will see two things - first, a minimum case (1.571") and a maximum chamber (1.5849") leaves 14 thou of slop in the chamber - and it still meets "SAAMI Spec".

The first time that case is fired, it stretched 14 thou... which is the beginning of the terminal "Head fall off syndrome". That case is on it's way to falling off and there is no way to repair that case - you need to prevent the original stretching.

The second thing you will see is a small "overlap" with a minimum chamber and a maximum case of ~3 thou - meaning that a maximum case is 3 thou longer than a minimum chamber.

This is why some new cases are hard to chamber -- it is fine, just close the bolt and shoot it - the extracted case will fit fine the next time around.

When you are having problems chambering full sized cases, there are a few things to suspect, and a few things to do, before even posting a question about it.

Chamber a fired case without sizing - does it chamber easily?

Chamber a FL sized case just after it is out of the sizer (don't load it) - does it chamber easily?

What is not known by many loaders is that cases grow during the FULL SIZING operation. When you full size, the body gets squished before the shoulder comes in contact with the die - so when you squish the body and make it smaller, the brass has to somewhere, and it goes forward - so the case actually gets longer during FL sizing. So FL sizing can make a case that fits the chamber, now NOT fit the chamber, which is why FL sizing can cause more problems that it solves.




If you have problems at either of these two stages, then that is the time to post a question... NOT after the cases have been completely loaded.



 
Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: venaticHe has no shell holder to grind down....it’s a Forster.

It can be did.
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Not with a Forster.
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With the Forster you would have to grind down the die itself.

RE thought it for a while and I guess you could but it would be harder than on the RC press type.
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With a press that uses a shell holder like the RCBS Rock Chuck-er you can grind down the top of the shell holder or the bottom of the die.

Read what Catshooter has posted on this subject.
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Ok guys I'm back. I tried some of the suggestions here and here is what I found. Hornady brass fired in my gun chambers ok before sizing, just a little stiff, it's the Winchester brass that I have that some times makes me wish I had a cheater bar on my bolt handle. I suspect that the problem does have something to do with bumping back the shoulder, as if I adjust my FL die in a touch, they do chamber easier, but I can tell I'm putting quite a bit of pressure on the Coax jaws. I have a tendency to agree that outward appearances would suggest shortening the die a tiny touch. One thing I did notice is that my Winchester brass is a bit longer than my Hornady, right at the spec of 1.912 inches where the Hornady is 1.905, near min. I will try trimming it and post back.
 
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