22 Ammo - Walmart/Cabelas - the rest of the story!

The thing is if things are really bad and falls apart a 22 is a good gun. You don't want to stand and fight if you don't have the numbers anyways.

There is a lack of medical attention, and any wound,(even a 22) would be deadly and dangerous. If not immediately within days.

If you are in a situation where you are in that kind of survival situation, if you shoot someone in the leg, they cannot chase you, and are going to be focused on trying to get that bullet out, and cleaned. A HP 22 would do a serious amount of damage to a leg, and deadly in the inside portion of the leg within minutes. There is almost no Body armor out there that protects the legs.

I would be very curious to see the damage model to a balistics jell with a 22hp vs. the standard ball ammo.
 
The best ammunition for harvesting organs from critically shot humans is .22 Magnum, they would survive just long enough to donate their organs. The tissue transplants teams were always happy to hear another .22 Mag victim was in the ICU as it was just a matter of time before they gave it up.
 
I was eyeballing those 10/22 stainless takedowns, thinking just how nice one would be for a bugout bag.

While 22LR isn't ideal for many things, it will kill anything that walks the face of the earth & one could pack quite a lot of ammo in said bag. Such a weapon could well be used to obtain better weapons if things became that dire & the muzzle report could easily be suppressed in a pinch.
 
Originally Posted By: Stu FarishI was eyeballing those 10/22 stainless takedowns, thinking just how nice one would be for a bugout bag.

While 22LR isn't ideal for many things, it will kill anything that walks the face of the earth & one could pack quite a lot of ammo in said bag. Such a weapon could well be used to obtain better weapons if things became that dire & the muzzle report could easily be suppressed in a pinch.


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I guess if a person is of the mind to bug out then a .22 might be very good. I don't know of any place to bug to that would be better than where I am at. If I lived in a city I would have bugged long ago. Some things that walk on this earth will get really PO'ed if you shoot them with a .22. Believe it or not I have seen .22 bounce off a human head, in fact it may be likely if at a angle. We just have Black Bears around here. I have heard of people who are purported to be tough enough to hunt bear with a switch, but I have not seen one checked out yet that had been switched to death.
 
Seems to me the most likely emergency situation any o us might find ourselves in would be on a remote back packing trip, or a remote hunt far off the pavement. truck breaks down, goes into a ditch, gets stuck on a rock. maybe a winter storm blows in, you're stuck for some unknown period of time.

Depending on the situation, it might not be a bad idea to have a survival rifle with a few hundred or 1000 rounds on hand.
 
Personally I'd rather have 1 mag of .223 than 1000 rounds of .22. I'd also rather have 15 rounds of 30-06 than a mag of 223. I used to PD with a 10/22, it was a poor round for a 1 lb animal at most ranges. I lost track of the number that would make a 50 yard sprint and dive down their hole after a solid hit. Not that I was eating PD, but if I was I would have wasted ammo 90% of the time because the meat would be out of reach.

For long term, not short term survival anyway, either CF will do more good with fewer pulls of the trigger. For bad people, a round that may make them die of infection in a few weeks doesn't do me much good if I'm dead in a ditch right now. And if I want to be a bad person and you have 1000 rounds of .22 and I have 1 of 30-06, odds are you'll never know I took your ammo
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I can go on and on about SD, I'm bored right now!

But we all know what personal opinions are like
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Originally Posted By: tnshootistI guess if a person is of the mind to bug out then a .22 might be very good. I don't know of any place to bug to that would be better than where I am at. If I lived in a city I would have bugged long ago.

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I bugged out of the city years ago. And I am good to go as far as 22 ammo is concerned.

I agree that as a survivalist gun it is very valuable when you consider the 3 basic needs of food, water and shelter. Perfect caliber for frog legs, squirrels, rabbits, reptiles and small birds etc. considering in that type of situation there most likely will be no electricity to preserve the meat of larger game, like during the winter months. But if I had to defend my water or shelter I want more than a 22.

And I still don’t believe the government is behind the shortage of 22 ammo.
 
Originally Posted By: DustOriginally Posted By: Rocky1
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I think you are being a little cynical here. Some people "figuring out ways to find out which stores to hit" were people that just wanted ammo, and decided that being at walmart every day was not as easy as only showing up when it shows up. Some people were living in Japan when Sandy Hook happened, and didn't have a chance to buy ammo when it was plentiful, and then moved away from the family stash and had to have his own. The few times I have been there lately there are three kinds of peopele. The reseller/neckbeard, the men in charge of ammo, usually a father or grandfather, and then people who like to shoot that I honestly wouldn't even call hoarders.

And just so you know, looking for ammo is as easy as going to walmart's website and bookmarking pages.


REALLY???

Did you watch the last video?? Walmart has disabled the "Which stores have ammo in stock link" on their website, trying to slow the hoarders down a little. The gentleman in the last video is using Google Chrome to open the product page in code, finding the link on said page that is being blocked, enabling the link in question in test mode in the browser, and opening that link in test mode, to determine which stores have ammo in stock.

And, this is a second end around that has been published on You Tube to show people how to work around Walmart's website blocking that information. And, I could be wrong, but I'm guessing that anyone going to that much trouble to find ammo at Walmart, probably isn't just looking to pick up a box or two to carry the kids plinkin. If they were, they probably wouldn't be publishing their methods for all to see.

And, to prove that point, if you click on the YouTube link on that last video up there, and go to that individual's account, you will find that he has 643 videos on You Tube. Since his video 8 months ago boasting 13,000 rounds of 22 LR stockpiled, he has made 30 videos depicting purchases of more than a thousand rounds of 22 LR.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that is what would be referred to as a hoarder!

AND, THAT WAS JUST THE 22LR AMMO!!
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I think you missed the second sentence. "Some people...". Yes, there are hoarders, there are the neckbeard resellers. I stated that they exist in my post. I am not denying that. But for every 1 of them I meet I meet several others that just want to supply the family. They found out how, and now they shop smart.

1000 rounds of .22 is honestly not that much to buy. 3 boxes of Win. 333s, two boxes of 525 Golden Bullets, Win. 555s, Federal 550s, or just one box of M-22. I could show up to Walmart at 6 AM and walk out with 1575-1665 rounds the next time the walmart website told me to. If I wanted to show up around 4:30-5 I could walk away with up to 3000 rounds of .22 on certain days.

No, I didn't watch the videos about coding, because I know about it being mentioned almost a year ago. It's much easier than that to find out information from walmart that recoding a webpage. They have not disabled the "in stock" on their website, they only blocked some ammo, and only on their main site.

Your second paragraph is a little confusing if not mistaken.

If they only wanted to get a few boxes, they would post their methods for all their friends to see so that they too could get ammo. The friends would stop asking and everything would be status quo.

If a reseller found a systematic way to know what was showing up at Dick/Sportman's Warehouse/Academy, I can pretty much promise you the secret would stay a secret.

There are several simple ways to find out what stores have what ammo, either using walmart's own website to check, or one of several websites that have popped up since Pelosi's upper anus erupted about a ban.
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I hear rumor that our local Walmart has started putting the .22 LR ammo out at random times to try and curtail the `regulars` who show up with their friends and family to buy it all up.
I still have been unable to hit the store recently when they have any, and when I did happen to be there at the right time, they limited me to 3 50 rnd. boxes (2 occasions about the last year).
I think probably 600-800 rnds. hoarded..lol
If it were more abundant I`d be out there plinking some. Oh well...shot the 300 WSM some the other day..plenty of components and powder for 300 WSM Plinking.
 
When I was working construction(industrial, power plants, mines, refinery shut downs) I bought a case of .223(Not to be confused with 5.56) about every 4 to 6 months. I now have over 10,000 rounds of factory surplus, not including the approx. 50 lbs of powder and around 15.000 primers etc.

Sheesh people. Buy a little bit here and a little bit there and you will not affect the market and you won't be freaking out because you have no stuff.

I burn a LOT every summer, 10,000 is not much for a coyote/prairie dog hunter.
 
I'm currently staying at my mom's house for awhile.
Right across the street is a Walmart.
With very little to do in the early morning and late evenings, I just may have
to wander over there once in awhile and see what they have in stock, when things get
stocked, etc.. At least it will get me off my butt and get a little walking in.
I could use some ammo.
 
Originally Posted By: Stu FarishSeems to me the most likely emergency situation any o us might find ourselves in would be on a remote back packing trip, or a remote hunt far off the pavement. truck breaks down, goes into a ditch, gets stuck on a rock. maybe a winter storm blows in, you're stuck for some unknown period of time.

Depending on the situation, it might not be a bad idea to have a survival rifle with a few hundred or 1000 rounds on hand.



Remind me not to let u drive if we go hunting at the next gathering. Gaha
 
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762Originally Posted By: tnshootistI guess if a person is of the mind to bug out then a .22 might be very good. I don't know of any place to bug to that would be better than where I am at. If I lived in a city I would have bugged long ago.

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I bugged out of the city years ago. And I am good to go as far as 22 ammo is concerned.

I agree that as a survivalist gun it is very valuable when you consider the 3 basic needs of food, water and shelter. Perfect caliber for frog legs, squirrels, rabbits, reptiles and small birds etc. considering in that type of situation there most likely will be no electricity to preserve the meat of larger game, like during the winter months. But if I had to defend my water or shelter I want more than a 22.

And I still don’t believe the government is behind the shortage of 22 ammo.


At one time I was issued a Military flack jacket, that was before kevlar was issued. So I stop on the way home and set the jacket up against a old dumped sofa. Shot it with my .38, it penetrated the first side of the jacket and lodged in the back part. I then shot it with a .22 lr, it penetrated both front and back and disappeared in the sofa. I never used the flak jacket.

http://bearingarms.com/22lr-vs-windshield/
 
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I liked that video.. How the bullets trajectory went up once it hit the ballistic gel. I have one of those old military flack jackets in woodland camo, not sure if it's the same one you are talking about;



Thought I would try shooting it too. I carry a NAA 5 shot mini revolver loaded with CCI Stinger HP in my front pocket. I thought I would start off with that round. I used a Ruger 10-22 for each of these shots and all shots where fired from 20 yards. The CCI I did not expect to pass thru since it was a HP.



Next I shot it with a Piney Mountain round nose tracer round and then a Winchester superX copper plated round nose. The CCI HP made a slightly bigger entry hole compared to the others.



None of these 22 rounds passed through the first layer.



When I was in the Army we where issued IBA (point blank vest with front and back ballistic plates rated for 7.62mm M80 ball protection). I happen to have a couple of those laying around. One of them is not serviceable, meaning the plates have been warped from the extreme heat of a burning humvee. I still don't know why I picked it up and still carry it after all these years...

Anyway I removed one of the warped plates and shot it first with a Blazer round nose 22 round. It flattened and embedded in the Kevlar;



Next I loaded a 5.56 FMJ in a Galil and shot it. The bullet did not pass through but it did disfigure the back of the plate.



Next I loaded a 7.62 in an AK-47 and shot it. This round did not pass through but it did have extreme disfiguration of the back of the plate. I have zero doubt that the 5.56 and 7.62 have enough transfer of kinetic energy to be lethal without passing through the plate.



Below the shots are shown all together on the front of the plate. The top hole is the 5.56, the lower right is the 22 and the lower left is the 7.62.



 
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I always found a light round going fast is good. A heavy round going slow is also good. A heavy round going fast is best. I personally would rather take my chances being hit by a VW Beatle doing 60 than a dump truck doing 30. Having seen a few bullet wounds and reading a lot of stuff about stopping power I am now positive, if your number is up you've had it.
 
at our local WM, the shelf space where the 22 ammo goes is now stocked with fishing reels.

While they do get ammo in, it goes as fast as they bring it out, so I guess it doesn't make any sense to reserve shelf space for it.
 
Originally Posted By: jumprightinitInfidel, the flak jacket I had was Vietnam era. The one you tested is quite different. It appears to be pretty good.

I understand completely. The flak jacket I used is 1980’s era. In no way am I trying to disprove what you said. This jacket is probably at least 20 years newer than yours and the IBA armor is 20 years newer than the flak jacket I shot. I never saw the effects of a 22 in ballistic gel after passing thru a windshield, like you vid posted. The 22 is a nasty little round and very lethal.

And if given the choice of being hit by a VW Beatle doing 60 than a dump truck doing 30… I would rather just get out of the street
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