24 Nosler

Austin Laughlin

Austin Laughlin

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I’m just curious, if anyone has had any experience with this cartridge. As hot as the 26 Nosler is, I kind of expected a lot more for the 20, 22, and 24 Nosler but they seem to be a slow poke.

22 Nosler won’t do anything more than my 223 AI.

20 Nosler about the same report with a 204, or 204 AI.

The 24 version won’t hold a candle to the 6-06 AI I’m currently building, as far as just what I can see from Noslers reload data anyway.

Was just curious to see if anyone has one, or has some experience with one. I happened to see it in the Nosler Book and it peaked my interest.

Happy New Year fellas

-Austin
 
Austin Laughlin said:
I’m just curious, if anyone has had any experience with this cartridge. As hot as the 26 Nosler is, I kind of expected a lot more for the 20, 22, and 24 Nosler but they seem to be a slow poke.

22 Nosler won’t do anything more than my 223 AI.

20 Nosler about the same report with a 204, or 204 AI.

The 24 version won’t hold a candle to the 6-06 AI I’m currently building, as far as just what I can see from Noslers reload data anyway.

Was just curious to see if anyone has one, or has some experience with one. I happened to see it in the Nosler Book and it peaked my interest.

Happy New Year fellas

-Austin
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Well....

The 26 Nosler case holds 93ish gr of H20 .
The 22 Nolser case holds 34ish gr of H20 .

You could make a 24 Nosler of either.
 
What I meant I guess, was out of the Nosler family of cartridges.. the 26, is a screamer. Then it gets to the 24, 22, and 20, and they just slack off. I thought it was surprising. Figured they would’ve done more for it. Maybe that’s just me though.
 
alf said:
No experience with them, but as far as I know, the 20, 22, & 24 are all designed for AR-15 pressures & usage.
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Maybe that’s what I missed then, that makes more sense really. I had just figured with as hot as they made the 26 and the 30, they would’ve done more for the 20, 22, and 24. But i never thought about the AR side of things, that makes a lot more sense now.
 
William Suter said:
Just saying!! Seems for every "new" cartridge that comes out there is an old one that is as good as or better. Just sayin'! But I've said it a bunch of times, I'm "Old School".
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Lol I’m with you, everybody seems to always be trying to reinvent the wheel. All these “new cartridge releases” that seem to happen every 6 months, and I have yet to see something that hasn’t already been done.
 
9/10 times in todays world, I think all of these “new cartridges” are just a reformation of existing. Cause everybody’s so nuts over these “high BC, long bullets, in a short action”.
 
This thread peaked my interest. Seems i have done some lazy research into it in the past. Not that much information to be found.

I am always interested in learning about new cartridges. I wish i had more time and money to tinker.

I still shoot 223/5.56 from AR15's. Mostly because of cost and time. No doubt there are better options out there.
 
Austin Laughlin said:
............Cause everybody’s so nuts over these “high BC, long bullets, in a short action”.
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Well, I guess I'm nuts then. Obviously, the Creedmoor changed a lot of folks minds about ballistics and down range performance. And there is a definite need for that. And if the 6.5 changed things, then why not have options in other calibers? Personally, I'm looking at the 22ARC right now because I need (well ... want) something that will do things that the 22-250 struggles with (75+ grain bullets) and the fact that it can't run in a AR-15 platform. Looks and sounds to me like it may also likely replace my 223 as my hog rifle. And to be totally honest, my aging eyesight likely limits me to ranges that I'll never see the advantage, but it's nice to know it is there if I choose to use it.

Look ... options are always a good thing. If we all shot the same cartridge it would be a very boring world that would eventually succumb to prices we couldn't afford because the industry would have us over a barrel.
 
Austin Laughlin said:
Lol I’m with you, everybody seems to always be trying to reinvent the wheel. All these “new cartridge releases” that seem to happen every 6 months, and I have yet to see something that hasn’t already been done.
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Something to mull over...
This applies to plenty if not most things in life , sales /consumer. If nothing was never changed or reinvented, what would we have today ? Why change the design of a pickup , It already has wheels and can haul stuff. Are 15" wheels/tires any better or worse than an 18" Why not just paint trucks all one color , do we really need 4 shades of blue ?

How about a knife for skinning coyotes ? Does anyone really need a custom blade ,when a factory production will work just fine ?

Why is there 5000 (just picked a number) craft beers ? Miller not good enough ?

This could relate to anything .


Change, inventing ,reinventing , = Jobs= sales= money . $$$ keeps life in forward motion.
 
Hidalgo said:
Well, I guess I'm nuts then. Obviously, the Creedmoor changed a lot of folks minds about ballistics and down range performance. And there is a definite need for that. And if the 6.5 changed things, then why not have options in other calibers? Personally, I'm looking at the 22ARC right now because I need (well ... want) something that will do things that the 22-250 struggles with (75+ grain bullets) and the fact that it can't run in a AR-15 platform. Looks and sounds to me like it may also likely replace my 223 as my hog rifle. And to be totally honest, my aging eyesight likely limits me to ranges that I'll never see the advantage, but it's nice to know it is there if I choose to use it.

Look ... options are always a good thing. If we all shot the same cartridge it would be a very boring world that would eventually succumb to prices we couldn't afford because the industry would have us over a barrel.
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Agree !!
 
cropdamage said:
Something to mull over...
This applies to plenty if not most things in life , sales /consumer. If nothing was never changed or reinvented, what would we have today ? Why change the design of a pickup , It already has wheels and can haul stuff. Are 15" wheels/tires any better or worse than an 18" Why not just paint trucks all one color , do we really need 4 shades of blue ?

How about a knife for skinning coyotes ? Does anyone really need a custom blade ,when a factory production will work just fine ?

Why is there 5000 (just picked a number) craft beers ? Miller not good enough ?

This could relate to anything .


Change, inventing ,reinventing , = Jobs= sales= money . $$$ keeps life in forward motion.
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Reverend!!
 
Oh lord, I wasn’t trying to offend anybody.

I was more referring to the fanboy basis of “buy a 6.5 creedmoor they are the fastest flattest shooting cartridge every made”

You guys take it however you please, if heavy and slow is your got too then so be it. That’s the beauty of it.

But don’t come tell me the bull**** about “the 6.5 creedmoor is the only way to go”

260 rem does the same thing, even a little better, and has been doing it for lot longer.

“The 6mm creedmoor beats all 6mms, it is king!”

The 243 beats it. Has been there a long time. Same for the 240 wby. 6mm rem. 6mm-06.. I won’t continue.

Progress and new things are great, invention is a great thing. But it’s reinventing the wheel. There’s a 9/10 chance that whatever you’re thinking, has been done already. That’s just how it is.
 
Here's the deal for me......I don't own or shoot AR's. Truth is, I don't even like them. You seen one, you seen them all. So if a cartridge won't fit...meh, I don't care. I'm a died in the wool bolt action guy and I like single shots just about as much. I don't usually shoot heavy for caliber bullets. So when I hear heavy bullets in a 22-250 it raises thoughts. A 22-250 was never designed for heavy bullets. Small, light and screamin fast. Want more speed, Ackley it. It will run with the Swift and the cases are cool looking. If I want heavier bullets I get a bigger gun. Makes my life so much more simple. I'll never tell you to not build something as its none of my business but ...ah there is no but.

Flame on!! I'm sure its coming.
 
Lol, speaking for me, conversations about cartridges don't offend me one way or another! It's all good, and I've had many "phases" I go through with shooting. Right now I'm on a lever gun kick, you want a challenge try tuning a 94 Winchester better than 1.5 moa consistently lol.

I do have to say, I've never read a thread where someone called any new round the only way to go, or called it the king. I have read tons of threads on here, however, saying a new round is not needed because the old xyz round does the same thing. Well, I'll argue that that's not always true. 260's were made with 1-9 twist. 243's with 1-10. Those were fine back in the day, and still are for most bullets. Here's the problem. With today's long, sleek bullets that work better for the long range shooting that became possible with laser rangefinders, the old twists won't shoot them. So just make the rifles with faster twists you say, and load the long bullets in the old cartridges, right? Well that's great until people buy the new 243 ammo with 110 grain bullets and try to shoot them in their old standard twist rifle and it doesn't work. So it's just easier to design a new round that handles the heavies and all the rifles are twisted for them from the start.

You'll never see me dissing anyone's choice of round, or claiming one better than another. All have their place, how needed they are is for the market to decide. I'd like to see them all succeed, it makes things more interesting. Gunmakers are trying to sell guns. If a new round sells more guns then it did what it was designed to do lol.
 
204 AR said:
Lol, speaking for me, conversations about cartridges don't offend me one way or another! It's all good, and I've had many "phases" I go through with shooting. Right now I'm on a lever gun kick, you want a challenge try tuning a 94 Winchester better than 1.5 moa consistently lol.

I do have to say, I've never read a thread where someone called any new round the only way to go, or called it the king. I have read tons of threads on here, however, saying a new round is not needed because the old xyz round does the same thing. Well, I'll argue that that's not always true. 260's were made with 1-9 twist. 243's with 1-10. Those were fine back in the day, and still are for most bullets. Here's the problem. With today's long, sleek bullets that work better for the long range shooting that became possible with laser rangefinders, the old twists won't shoot them. So just make the rifles with faster twists you say, and load the long bullets in the old cartridges, right? Well that's great until people buy the new 243 ammo with 110 grain bullets and try to shoot them in their old standard twist rifle and it doesn't work. So it's just easier to design a new round that handles the heavies and all the rifles are twisted for them from the start.

You'll never see me dissing anyone's choice of round, or claiming one better than another. All have their place, how needed they are is for the market to decide. I'd like to see them all succeed, it makes things more interesting. Gunmakers are trying to sell guns. If a new round sells more guns then it did what it was designed to do lol.
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1.5” MOA Model 94?! Holy smokes you ain’t kidding a challenge! I’ve always just been happy to hit a pie plate at 100-150 yards with one! That would be some kind of cool
 
The 260 and the 6.5CM are about even. The 260 isn't any "better" nor "worse". Just apples to apples IMO unless you are looking to shoot over 600-700 yards. Then the CM has a definite advantage due to the bullet choices (for reloaders especially).

But about the 243 ....... try stuffing a 115 Berger in a 243 case and then get it into a stock factory magazine. Not likely to happen. So saying that the 243 "beats the 6CM" is just not a true overall statement. No opinion ... just fact. And once again, this comes into play at long distance. Which in reality there might be a handful of us here that shoot at those distances. Heck ... most of us old farts can't even see that far! :ROFLMAO:

All of the Creedmoor cartridges came into being for one thing: Distance shooting. And they have proven their merit in competition. Are they the best choice for the casual range rat or hunter? Not necessarily. But they definitely kill game and put itty-bitty groups on targets when tuned properly.

If I had a 260 that shot great and fit me, and was a reliable firearm, would I let it go to replace it with a 6.5CM? Heck no! But would I trade my current 6.5 for a 260? Nope.
 
William Suter said:
Here's the deal for me......I don't own or shoot AR's. Truth is, I don't even like them. You seen one, you seen them all. So if a cartridge won't fit...meh, I don't care. I'm a died in the wool bolt action guy and I like single shots just about as much. I don't usually shoot heavy for caliber bullets. So when I hear heavy bullets in a 22-250 it raises thoughts. A 22-250 was never designed for heavy bullets. Small, light and screamin fast. Want more speed, Ackley it. It will run with the Swift and the cases are cool looking. If I want heavier bullets I get a bigger gun. Makes my life so much more simple. I'll never tell you to not build something as its none of my business but ...ah there is no but.

Flame on!! I'm sure its coming.
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You’re spot on. I don’t know how many conversations I get into about the “well the heavy for caliber bullets, with better B.C are wayyyyyy better for coyote hunting” it’s so exhausting.

I guess if the 40gr out of the 220 Swift, or the 22-250 don’t kill well enough.. I wish someone would’ve mentioned that to the 100,000+ that have died to them.

I’m not dogging someone for their caliber choice, nor for their opinion, whatsoever. To each, their own. I’m the type, that if I’ve been killing coyotes my entire life with a 40gr at 4000fps+ and someone tells me “You need to be shooting 60gr, they’re way better. Only way to go”. I can’t help but shake my head and laugh.


And for the love of god, DO NOT.. and I repeat, DO NOT! Get the conversation started about light bullets and speed vs heavy and B.C. You might as well try killing a hornets nest with a spatula.
 


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