24 Nosler

William Suter said:
I like speed and accuracy. I want both in my rifles. I sold all my Creed stuff. I had several 6.5's and built a 6 and just couldn't get the speed I wanted out of the 6.5 nor the accuracy I expected from the 6 CM so I'm done with them. I did buy a 6.5 PRC with expectations of a heavier fast bullet. My first reloading was very disappointing. Great accuracy but not near the FPS I was expecting. I switched powders using the same bullet and gained 300 FPS. I went from 2760 to 3160ish and still have good accuracy. My 22-250AI runs a 52 grain Berger at 3780 and shoots 1/2 inch groups at 200yds if I'm on my game that day and I could push it harder but see no reason. I can't ask for much more from either rifle.
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Fast, Flat, and Accurate. I want all 3, and I will have them… or I won’t own it. Doesn’t mean I think anyone else is wrong. Doesn’t mean I think anyone is unintelligent. That’s just my way, and it’s worked time and time again.
 
As far as the 24 Nosler is concerned, yeah I'm not sure who they are marketing it to. I've never even heard of someone building one.

Nothing at all wrong with fast flat and accurate, except barrel life and powder consumption, but they sure are fun while they last!

Probably my favorite wildcat in an ar I've built, while it lasted, was a 17/223. That thing was a pdog slayer supreme, and would vaporize black birds entirely, sometimes I could find a wing, sometimes nothing. I'd never seen anything like it.
 
204 AR said:
As far as the 24 Nosler is concerned, yeah I'm not sure who they are marketing it to. I've never even heard of someone building one.

Nothing at all wrong with fast flat and accurate, except barrel life and powder consumption, but they sure are fun while they last!

Probably my favorite wildcat in an ar I've built, while it lasted, was a 17/223. That thing was a pdog slayer supreme, and would vaporize black birds entirely, sometimes I could find a wing, sometimes nothing. I'd never seen anything like it.
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I’d bet that was a laser for sure! Cool concept out of an AR, I dig it.

Built a 22-243 AI one time, shooting 55gr BTs. Used to shoot crows at long range, like it was going out of style. My uncle used to call them blew-wings when I’d draw a bead on one. He’d say “you shoot, one wing blows this way, the other blows that way” Lol I know what you’re meaning
 
Speaking of vaporizing, you should see what a 22-250AI does to a pond turtle. Tiny pieces everywhere instantly.

I don't worry a lot about barrel life because I'm not a high volume shooter. I have a bunch of rifles and shoot different rifles at different times. Kinda depends on where I'm going and what I'm after.
 
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William Suter said:
Speaking of vaporizing, you should see what a 22-250AI does to a pond turtle. Tiny pieces everywhere instantly.

I don't worry a lot about barrel life because I'm not a high volume shooter. I have a bunch of rifles and shoot different rifles at different times. Kinda depends on where I'm going and what I'm after.
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I had one for awhile. I really liked the ole 250 AI. I’ve got a 220 Swift AI now, and it’s the same deal. I shoot about everything with it, to much fun not too. 40s are the heaviest I’ve ever shot in both.

Barrel life has never bothered me. Ever. If I get 1,000 rounds out of a barrel, (in a perfect world) that’s 1,000 coyotes.

These “barrel burner” that people freak out about, I think is a bit unrealistic in a hunters world, with a designated hunting rifle. I’ve got 2 rifles that are supposed to only have 800-1200 rounds of barrel life in them. I’m wreaked havoc on all sorts of critters, and I mean shot the snot out of it. Only up to around 300ish rounds in both. I get the gist of it, with the burning barrels thing, but I think it’s blown out of proportion
 
I think if you don't take care of a barrel and over heat it constantly your gonna trash it and pretty quick. Years ago when the 22-250 and the Swift first came about, the quality of barrel steel wasn't near the quality we are getting today. And I think that had a lot to do with the "Barrel Burner" theory may have started. Although they way some people shoot rifles at my club I think they could torch a 22 rimfire barrel in a couple of afternoons. Just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions!!
 
cropdamage said:
Something to mull over...
This applies to plenty if not most things in life , sales /consumer. If nothing was never changed or reinvented, what would we have today ? Why change the design of a pickup , It already has wheels and can haul stuff. Are 15" wheels/tires any better or worse than an 18" Why not just paint trucks all one color , do we really need 4 shades of blue ?

How about a knife for skinning coyotes ? Does anyone really need a custom blade ,when a factory production will work just fine ?

Why is there 5000 (just picked a number) craft beers ? Miller not good enough ?

This could relate to anything .


Change, inventing ,reinventing , = Jobs= sales= money . $$$ keeps life in forward motion.
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All true and good points, but to answer one of your questions...........NO, Miller is not good enough. In fact, it's not "good" at all. 😂
 
I'm interested in how you can hold on hair out to 400 yards and hit a coyote size target? Without at least a 300+ yard zero that would be pretty much impossible. And a 300 yard zero is great, if you want to be 4 inches high at 200. Ballistic tables are our friend.
 
Austin Laughlin said:
In a more “literal” example I guess, is on the fly type of shots. The difference between a faster cartridge and a slower cartridge, and misjudging your distance (think he’s 400, and he’s at 450-475)

Is the difference between a dead coyote and a lesson learned.
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Since Cal asked his question, I have another....

What " faster " cartridge and bullet combo are you running that you can hold for 400 and still connect at the 450-475 as mentioned ?
If I ran the numbers on my 17-204 correctly ,it won't do it.

I'm always willing to learn something new, if I can have the info to work with.

Thanks in advance
 
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I know my 6 PRC wouldn't do it with 108 ELD's at 3400 with a 225 yard zero.

.7" high at 200
3.6" low at 300
12.1" low at 400
18.1" low at 450
25.4" low at 500
 
Cal Taylor said:
I'm interested in how you can hold on hair out to 400 yards and hit a coyote size target? Without at least a 300+ yard zero that would be pretty much impossible. And a 300 yard zero is great, if you want to be 4 inches high at 200. Ballistic tables are our friend.
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Out of my 220 Swift AI, with a 40gr Nosler, 1 1/2” high at 100, puts me around 265-270 yard zero. If I hold the top of the back, on hair, at 400.. dead coyote

204 AI, 32gr bullet, 1.5” high at 100, same thing. If I hold the back at 400, on hair, dead coyote.

I’m not here to impress anyone. No one has to believe me either. But I’ve done it. Still do it.
 
William Suter said:
I think if you don't take care of a barrel and over heat it constantly your gonna trash it and pretty quick. Years ago when the 22-250 and the Swift first came about, the quality of barrel steel wasn't near the quality we are getting today. And I think that had a lot to do with the "Barrel Burner" theory may have started. Although they way some people shoot rifles at my club I think they could torch a 22 rimfire barrel in a couple of afternoons. Just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions!!
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I know that feeling. There’s a lot of people that are a heck of a lot smarter than I am when it comes to the bench shooting and that kind of thing. So maybe I’m wrong, I’m sure they’ve got better knowledge of it than I do. But I see guys constantly at the local range shooting 8-10 shots out of a bolt gun, that sounds like a semi auto. I see it all the time, I always thought it was pretty wild.

I agree 100% with the steel quality difference from then and now. I feel the powders, the bullets, etc. are all that way. I still just think that if I’ve got one that’s only supposed to last 1000 rounds.. that’s a heck of a lot of hunting for me. I totally could understand from a bench rest standpoint though.

Also, I told you about this can of worms. Lol
 


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