3rd round is always a flyer

For those of you actually giving advice, thank you. For the rest of you, stick to the topic. If someone is full of crap they know it and you saying something to them does nothing to change it. Stick to the topics or say nothing. All your comments do is fill up topics with unnecessary garb.
 
Originally Posted By: YoteslayerWAFor those of you actually giving advice, thank you. For the rest of you, stick to the topic. If someone is full of crap they know it and you saying something to them does nothing to change it. Stick to the topics or say nothing. All your comments do is fill up topics with unnecessary garb.

LOL ... welcome to the internet ....
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Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotOriginally Posted By: varminter185 Im getting 1" at 300 with my 6.5 creedmoor. Even at the end of a 12 round string.

12 shots inside a 1 inch circle at 300 yards? really?

Eh, post was poorly written, I have a couple rifles that are all over the place after they get hot... I should have expounded on this, after a 12 round string, shots 13, 14, 15 at 300 are still an inch.... my fault for a poorly written reply! Im going to reitterate the free floating portion though.
 
I finally had some time to work on reloading for my gun again. After trying some different things i found out that my problem was the brass. The Hornady match brass was complete crap. The primer pockets on them are apparently crimped and are really bad to reload. I went to the store and picked up some winchester brass and gave them a try. I instantly was getting great groups and have a good load to start working off of. I found that the savage liked 44 gr of 4064 and the 168 amax seated at 2.8 oal. I was getting good groups and put 6 shots inside a 1 inch square. Next time I get time I am gonna play with the seating depth a bit since I have not messed with it at all yet and see if I can get things a bit better.

I am a huge fan of Hornady products and was very disappointed to find that the problem was the brass. Especially since the brass was not cheap to acquire.
 
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I would say the seating depth is your problem. This is an anomaly all benchrest shooters alike have had to endure through countless hours of load development. Nothing that time and money won't fix. I took the 6.5 CM out this weekend and shot at my 400yd range and got a not too shabby 1'' 5-shot group which is 1/4'' MOA. I'll take it. I'd like to shave 1/4'' off this before spring.
 
Originally Posted By: YoteslayerWA After trying some different things i found out that my problem was the brass. The Hornady match brass was complete crap. The primer pockets on them are apparently crimped and are really bad to reload.

Uhhhhhhh......can you post some pics of the primer pockets? Please? Not testing your integrity, but all of the Hornady Match .308 brass I've ever handled does NOT have crimped primer pockets. I'd love to see some.
 
I have a little problem that it is always the THIRD round that is the bad piece of brass. You either have an uncanny ability to pick the bad brass last or there is something else wrong.
 
This thread is hilarious. Classic PM reloading forum slow motion train wreck in progress.

- DAA
 
Originally Posted By: DAAThis thread is hilarious. Classic PM reloading forum slow motion train wreck in progress.

- DAA

All I want is to see the crimped primer pockets .......
 
That would indeed be interesting. No more so than a rifle consistently throwing a flier every third round though. And brass being to blame.

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I thought originally that the barrel was heating up and causing the third round to fly off the group, but remembered him saying that factory ammo shot fine.

Thinking just 2 shot groups would also work. I prefer 1 shot groups for the really tight, bragging groups. Maybe I will put one in my wallet to show everyone.
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I had read on another forum that the issues with the Hornady match brass was from them having a crimped primer pocket. I found that when putting new primers in with a hand primer that some would go in really easy and some would not want to go in at all. On a few you could even wiggle the primer around. Maybe they are not crimped primers, I am not sure what a crimped primer pocket is but regardless the primer pockets on them are complete crap.

Either way I have found what was the problem with my reloads and thats all that matters to me. i was just giving a fair warning to people about the Hornady match brass.

As far as some of the snide remarks that have been made, find something better to do with your time if all you can do is be an [beeep]. If you don't have something constructive to say, don't say anything.

I will work on getting a picture of the brass for you to look at Hidalgo.
 
You "read" something and made an "assumption". In reloading, that can get you hurt.

I've loaded literally thousands of Hornady brass and have NEVER seen a bad primer pocket on a new piece of brass. If you're having loose pockets after firing you need to look at your load. It's likely WAY too hot.

You may have found a solution to your problem, but I'd still be worried about those primer pockets if I were you. Something is very wrong there.

And your warning about Hornady brass is anything but a "fair" warning. There's something else causing this to happen.

Don't be so touchy. If you'll listen and answer the questions these guys ask of you you'll gain a great deal of insight about your situation.
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Originally Posted By: HidalgoOriginally Posted By: YoteslayerWA After trying some different things i found out that my problem was the brass. The Hornady match brass was complete crap. The primer pockets on them are apparently crimped and are really bad to reload.

Uhhhhhhh......can you post some pics of the primer pockets? Please? Not testing your integrity, but all of the Hornady Match .308 brass I've ever handled does NOT have crimped primer pockets. I'd love to see some.

Hornady did make 308 Win match with crimped pockets. Mostly used by cops and military in gas guns.

I know some of their TAP stuff was crimped also.

I'm curious as to exactly what the headstamp reads......
 
The brass with the loose pockets was once fired factory brass from Hornadys .308 match 168gr amaxs. So they were never loaded too hot. They were once fired and then deprimed and then reprimed with a hand primer.
 
Originally Posted By: 2muchgun

Hornady did make 308 Win match with crimped pockets. Mostly used by cops and military in gas guns.

I know some of their TAP stuff was crimped also.

I'm curious as to exactly what the headstamp reads......

Good to know. I've loaded a bunch and never saw a crimped case. I assumed (my bad) that these were new cases he just purchased. If they were once-fired then from your info it may be possible. I'll issue the appropriate apology when his evidence is presented.
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None needed. Im not a sensitive person and have no problem being questioned. I just get annoyed when people say things that produce nothing and are irrelevant. You have done none of that Hidalgo.

The primer pockets all have what I would describe as an extra ring around the primer pockets that cause kind of a lip that makes priming very difficult.

Im tempted to call Hornady about these cases and see what they say about them.
 
I have heard of these "hard to seat" Hornady Match cases more than once.

I was wondering if they had a different headstamp or not. Federal makes 2 kinds of match brass also. One crimped, one not. The headstamps are not the same.....
 


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