A Question for Atheists

Ive got a buddy that was an archeologist and traveled all over the world playing in the dirt. He said over all those years the most accurate information they had to go off was in the Bible. I know some want to think its just a bunch of words on paper. But its meaning and accuracy can be impressive.
 
Maybe your archeologist buddy did it all wrong. The information he should have went off of, is his findings in the field, then see where the evidence leads. Instead, it seems, he used the writings in the Bible as “something to go off of” this can lead into the trap of “confirmation bias” that Gaz brought up earlier. I don’t Gamble, but if I were a betting man, I’d say your buddy was Christian before becoming an archeologist.
 
Originally Posted By: tnshootist
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762Originally Posted By: tnshootist
What color can a man come up with that is new. Never seen before. Not a composite of things known but new.

There are forbidden colors humans can't even perceive...

"Color" is an illusion. Light and its spectrum exist in the physical world, but color is all in your mind. Having said that, color can be measured quite accurately, for an illusion, under some common practical conditions, and its influence on people behavior is well understood for something that is not real'

LSD is a pretty simple way to alter the set perceptions of established colors, but they have all already been seen. It matters not so much as to the knowledge in your head, but rather the content of the heart...


OK.
But my point stays the same.
Man is so limited in what he can do he wouldn't know truth if he fell over it.
To think that all that there is is what we can prove by our standards is pretty small thinking in my opinion.

You truly have to have a lot of faith, if it is based off the experiences of other men, Something I’ve never been able to do.
 
Due to the number of times I have been falsely accused of being a Satan worshipper, by ADK, Rock Knocker and Sandy et al, purely because they dislike my having a different world view to theirs, I feel the need to try one last time to put it as plainly as I can.

I have no need in my life for worship, of any kind. This is the root of the problem, and where my accusers closed their minds about myself and my views.

As I stated initially, despite having no need for gods in my life, I do accept that due to the many millions who do need worship in their lives, and the indisputable fact that those millions find comfort and direction in their lives from their faith, I feel that it is still a necessity. For them.

I also believe that now that most of us are more enlightened and accepting of others, the horrors caused by mankind's abuse of religion, the Dark Ages, the Crusades, the Inquisition, "witch" burnings etc are, hopefully, forever behind us.

Satanists, however, are nothing more than emotionally immature people playing at rebellion in a childish attempt to shock and offend those in the mainstream, and their practices are rank mummery, of no use or benefit to anyone, even themselves.

Finally for those who feel the urge to try to insult or belittle me for being different from themselves, let me remind you of some wise words you seem to have conveniently forgotten:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances".
 
I dont recall calling you a worshiper of satan. You claimed that God was a falsee deity. Then claimed that I could reaearch luciferism and find factual information. According to my philosophy classes, this cannot be done. So I say again , whats the point of this argument. It will only continue this circle.
 
Sandy, you really do need to actually read a comment before trying to decide what is being said.

It was Rock Knocker who made the assertion that because something could be looked up, it's a fact.

My response was to ask if looking up something patently not fact, "Mickey Mouse Rules The World" and getting a result, made that a fact.

Just because, in your words, countless books have been written about Jesus etc, does not make them all factual.

Countless comics and science fiction books have been written, are they fact purely as a function of the number written?

Now for something you will no doubt have even more trouble with.
I do believe in the historical figure, now known by the Anglicised name taken from the Greek translation of the Hebrew name of Yeshua ben Joseph.

I simply see him as gentle, caring man who had ideas that caused him to be used as a scapegoat by the Sanhedrin for their own political purposes.

I can only imagine his horror at what has been done in his name throughout history.
 
Sandy, as you don't recall calling me a Satan worshipper, here are your words, cut and pasted from your comment:

"In the end we all come full circle. You will never argue me out of my christian belief and I will never argue you away from satan worship."
 
Originally Posted By: GaznazdiakIs that you John Stewart?

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LOL Good one. Just sayin.......it’s a complete immortal debate that is going to never end. Faith is a good thing if ya have it. I’m not a religious person but I support those that do. I have no freaking idea what happens after we punch out. I don’t think anyone really does. All you can do is prepare for that in the best way you now based on your practices and beliefs. Sometimes I wonder if people on both sides of the fence can’t wait to see each other on the other side, if there is another side, ready to run it in with a whole bunch of “See, I told ya so!!”
 
If EVERYONE tried to follow the teaching of Jesus and taught by example their children to live as such do you think there would be school shootings.

We all have our rights and we all pay the price.
 
Originally Posted By: tnshootistIf EVERYONE tried to follow the teaching of Jesus and taught by example their children to live as such do you think there would be school shootings.

We all have our rights and we all pay the price.





Yes I do. Don’t forget about the crusades. Religion.....all sects of it.....has its dark sides. Religion......organized religion......can be and on some levels is just as corrupt as anything else in the world. This is exactly what I am talk About what the the religious gun dudes. They will be the first to yell that there will be no eutopia if guns get removed from the public. And they are right about that. However, they seem to think that if everyone reads and follows religion, we would be in some eutopic state of society. Let’s not forget about the Roman Empire as well as the dark ages. Lmao.
 
Originally Posted By: tnshootistThats not what I said Swift.


How can something so simple be so hard to get.



Sorry man, that's how I took it.
 
Originally Posted By: swampwalkerOriginally Posted By: tnshootist
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762Originally Posted By: tnshootist
What color can a man come up with that is new. Never seen before. Not a composite of things known but new.

There are forbidden colors humans can't even perceive...

"Color" is an illusion. Light and its spectrum exist in the physical world, but color is all in your mind. Having said that, color can be measured quite accurately, for an illusion, under some common practical conditions, and its influence on people behavior is well understood for something that is not real'

LSD is a pretty simple way to alter the set perceptions of established colors, but they have all already been seen. It matters not so much as to the knowledge in your head, but rather the content of the heart...


OK.
But my point stays the same.
Man is so limited in what he can do he wouldn't know truth if he fell over it.
To think that all that there is is what we can prove by our standards is pretty small thinking in my opinion.

You truly have to have a lot of faith, if it is based off the experiences of other men, Something I’ve never been able to do.




Bs. You and every other breathing person deals with faith thousands of times a day.
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we do it from our first conscious thought and don't stop until we die.
 
I agree. A person will go mad without some bit a faith. When we breathe out, we have faith that we’ll eventually breathe back in. We have faith that our hearts will pump from one second to the next, that if we fall asleep, we’ll eventuallly wake up. There are so many things we must have faith in..

Does faith need to be strived for, seeked, followed, believed? Or do these actions reflect the opposite of what faith is?
 
I think there is a distinct difference between Organized Religion, Personal Beliefs, and Faith...I had little awards bars for never missing a Sunday School session for 13 years, we had prayer in elementary school, and I've witnessed some of the most horrific things that humans can do to other humans..

Organized Religion can be subverted just as any other entity, a persons core Personal Beliefs seldom are changed by outside forces or efforts, and as stated, Faith is something that is developed by personal experience...
 
There is something that has always both intrigued and puzzled me about religious belief.

My opinion, as an outsider, is that there is a distinct difference between "faith" and "organised" religions, and this will no doubt draw further condemnation upon me, but I would be interested in the opinions of those of you who may belong to either group I will describe.

There are those who follow the philosophy espoused by Jesus, who are devout in their belief and never set foot in a church, temple or other place of worship and have developed their belief purely from their personal study of the bible. They found his teachings to resonate deeply and feel no need for the enforced interpretation or regimentation of others.

Then there are those who follow a religious philosophy as set down by an organised denominational church, and this is where the problems seem to begin. Even the most devout will agree there have been many problems brought about by denominationalism or sectarianism as it is now more commonly known. The Wars of the Reformation between Catholics and Protestants from 1522 to 1700 in Europe are one example, the sectarian violence between Sunni and Shia Muslim sects is another.

It seems to me, as an objective observer, that when we humans group together, for whatever reason, religion, sports, even in different clubs sharing a common interest like shooting, we tend to develop a kind of tribalism where we see our group as being the "right" group and the others as somehow wrong, misled or in the extreme, evil.

If, as all the mainstream religions are monotheistic, and there is only one true god, and they all believe in that same god, why the need to form "teams" and fight over minor theological interpretations?

Surely if there is only the one true god, and everyone believes in the same one, aren't they all right, removing the need for the different teams, and the infighting?
 


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