A question for Nonya, and others, on 50 cal weapons
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orkan
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Exactly... you AREN'T like me. I believe you should be able to shoot a deer with whatever you want.
You have a deer-seeking shoulder fired rocket and want to shoot deer with it. GO FOR IT. I just won't let you hunt on MY PROPERTY.
I believe you should be able to hunt however you want. Up to the landowner if he lets you or not. You are DEFINATELY not like me. My friends, the HUNTERS and TRUE BELIEVERS in the 2nd amendment are thankful that I am not like you.
I'm not saying you have to think like me... I'm not the one telling YOU that you shouldn't be able to do something.
YOU are telling US that we shouldn't be able to do something.
YOU sir... are the ENEMY OF FREEDOM.
You have a deer-seeking shoulder fired rocket and want to shoot deer with it. GO FOR IT. I just won't let you hunt on MY PROPERTY.
I believe you should be able to hunt however you want. Up to the landowner if he lets you or not. You are DEFINATELY not like me. My friends, the HUNTERS and TRUE BELIEVERS in the 2nd amendment are thankful that I am not like you.
I'm not saying you have to think like me... I'm not the one telling YOU that you shouldn't be able to do something.
YOU are telling US that we shouldn't be able to do something.
YOU sir... are the ENEMY OF FREEDOM.
My personal take on hunting with a 50 BMG is that it's a stunt. One that I have no interest in doing.
That being said, I do not nor would not support regs being changed to make it illegal. If someone wants to do it, that's their gig. All I care about is that they do it safely with a great deal of regard for the back stop where they're hunting.
That being said, I do not nor would not support regs being changed to make it illegal. If someone wants to do it, that's their gig. All I care about is that they do it safely with a great deal of regard for the back stop where they're hunting.
It is a stunt and its unsafe to say the least,the guys doing it here are shooting from the road at a 20-45 degree angle up into open parks above logging roads,thier fmj rounds will travel who knows how far after they passs through an elk.There is no way you can be sure of your backstop in this situation,At 1000+ yards how can you say where that bullet is going to end up.Im not telling anyone they cant do anytyhing Orkan,i shared my experience with these guys and my opinion of them,im not writing letters to my congressman or donating money to the anti clans,my opinion has no bearing on the outcome of these proposed changes that are coming up in several states.I know many lifelong hunters here in Mt that share the same opinion i guess we are all antis in diguise,antis packing guns and shooting game year round,we are in DEEP cover!Thats my opinon,label me whatever you want im not going to get into another pissing match like the one MI HNTR drug out on GBO,IM DONE. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
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lobby against my fellow hunters?I shared my opinion about it in a thread about it,i shared my opinion of a group of guys that i know that hunt elk from the logging roads with thier 50bmgs,Im entitled to my opinion and it has 0 effect on gun regulation or 2nd amendment rights,call all the names you want your just another guy creating the rift,you are the type that deems anyone with an opinion other than yours an anti and creates division where there should be unity,even among hunters/shooters there will be difference of opinons and wen all have the right to them.The 2nd amendment is about firearms,it has nothing to do with hunting rights,hunting regs are determined by state commisions and have 0 efect on your right to posses any firearm you want,there is a clear line,blurring it into one issue is insane.
i haven't read any of the posts on the other sites (mainly because I don't know what sites you guys are even talking about) but I think that the statement quoted above answers all of the questions posed in this thread and thought you guys might want to read it again. I am not taking any sides just want to point out what NONYA stated that might have been overlooked. PEACE
lobby against my fellow hunters?I shared my opinion about it in a thread about it,i shared my opinion of a group of guys that i know that hunt elk from the logging roads with thier 50bmgs,Im entitled to my opinion and it has 0 effect on gun regulation or 2nd amendment rights,call all the names you want your just another guy creating the rift,you are the type that deems anyone with an opinion other than yours an anti and creates division where there should be unity,even among hunters/shooters there will be difference of opinons and wen all have the right to them.The 2nd amendment is about firearms,it has nothing to do with hunting rights,hunting regs are determined by state commisions and have 0 efect on your right to posses any firearm you want,there is a clear line,blurring it into one issue is insane.
i haven't read any of the posts on the other sites (mainly because I don't know what sites you guys are even talking about) but I think that the statement quoted above answers all of the questions posed in this thread and thought you guys might want to read it again. I am not taking any sides just want to point out what NONYA stated that might have been overlooked. PEACE
orkan
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Maybe I misunderstood you...Nonya.
Answer me this question, so I can clear it up in my head. If they had a motion on a ballot that said it was illegal to use a .50cal to hunt with, would you vote to make it illegal, or would you vote to leave it as is, legal?
Oh, and by the way... since we are on the topic... what you guys are complaining about doesn't have a DAMN THING TO DO with the type of rifle used for that hunting. I can do the same thing with a 700 nitro express, or a 338 win mag. You can shoot the SAME DISTANCE and your bullet will carry JUST AS FAR.
Doesn't matter WHAT GUN the guy has in his hands... taking dumbassed shots like that is dangerous. For you to make a distinction of .50 cals vs everything else... you are acting like a Jim Zumbo clone.
Anyways... NONYA, just answer me that one question.
Answer me this question, so I can clear it up in my head. If they had a motion on a ballot that said it was illegal to use a .50cal to hunt with, would you vote to make it illegal, or would you vote to leave it as is, legal?
Oh, and by the way... since we are on the topic... what you guys are complaining about doesn't have a DAMN THING TO DO with the type of rifle used for that hunting. I can do the same thing with a 700 nitro express, or a 338 win mag. You can shoot the SAME DISTANCE and your bullet will carry JUST AS FAR.
Doesn't matter WHAT GUN the guy has in his hands... taking dumbassed shots like that is dangerous. For you to make a distinction of .50 cals vs everything else... you are acting like a Jim Zumbo clone.
Anyways... NONYA, just answer me that one question.
NM Leon
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Im not telling anyone they cant do anytyhing Orkan,i shared my experience with these guys and my opinion of them,im not writing letters to my congressman or donating money to the anti clans,my opinion has no bearing on the outcome of these proposed changes that are coming up in several states.
So would that be a good defense for Zumbo too? Does that mean you owe HIM an apology?
Im not telling anyone they cant do anytyhing Orkan,i shared my experience with these guys and my opinion of them,im not writing letters to my congressman or donating money to the anti clans,my opinion has no bearing on the outcome of these proposed changes that are coming up in several states.
So would that be a good defense for Zumbo too? Does that mean you owe HIM an apology?
orkan
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Well since nonya doesn't feel the need to grace us with his presence and answer my simple question... you can bet that he simply has the personality of a typical anti. ... can never answer a question straight.
Double talk and deceit are indeed their tactics.
Just because you hunt... doesn't mean you aren't an anti nonya.
Double talk and deceit are indeed their tactics.
Just because you hunt... doesn't mean you aren't an anti nonya.
NM Leon
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I haven't insulted or accused you, will you answer my questions (above and below)? Is there something I'm missing here?
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You try to turn a hunting regulation proposal into GUN CONTROL? Zumbo didn't call for a complete ban on ARs either, just for a "hunting regulation" (like you) You call all the names you want,you are the kind of guy that splits hunters and prevents any unity,we have different opinions on wether the .50bmg should be used on deer so you label me an anti or a gun control advocate? Zumbo had different opinions than you about whether ARs etc should be used for hunting. YOU sure slammed him and called him anti SA. Why should you be held to a different standard for the same thing? LOL,I would never advocate ANY gun control issue EVER. Odd, that sounds very similar to what Zumbo (and Petzal) say, apparently using the same logic as you. DOESN'T IT?
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You try to turn a hunting regulation proposal into GUN CONTROL? Zumbo didn't call for a complete ban on ARs either, just for a "hunting regulation" (like you) You call all the names you want,you are the kind of guy that splits hunters and prevents any unity,we have different opinions on wether the .50bmg should be used on deer so you label me an anti or a gun control advocate? Zumbo had different opinions than you about whether ARs etc should be used for hunting. YOU sure slammed him and called him anti SA. Why should you be held to a different standard for the same thing? LOL,I would never advocate ANY gun control issue EVER. Odd, that sounds very similar to what Zumbo (and Petzal) say, apparently using the same logic as you. DOESN'T IT?
orkan, you hit the nail on the head. You won't get a rational reply to your questions. It's just like you've said, now there's nowhere left to hide. He is now exposed so that everyone can see exactly what he is.
You'll also notice that he's completely anti-NRA, but will not give an answer as to what pro-gun organization, if any, that he supports.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. The words anti-gun come to mind.
MI VHNTR
You'll also notice that he's completely anti-NRA, but will not give an answer as to what pro-gun organization, if any, that he supports.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. The words anti-gun come to mind.
MI VHNTR
Reminds me of trying to nail jello to a wall.
Just for comparision purposes to see if we are talking about the same thing:
Jim Zumbo's direct quote:
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Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."
This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.
NONYA's direct quote:
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(it) was a thread about hunting big game with the 50 bmg,nobody ever said ANYTHING about gun ownership it was a thread about hunting regs
Hmmmmm.....seem awfully close to the same thing. Can anyone tell the difference?
Jim Zumbo's direct quote:
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Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."
This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.
NONYA's direct quote:
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(it) was a thread about hunting big game with the 50 bmg,nobody ever said ANYTHING about gun ownership it was a thread about hunting regs
Hmmmmm.....seem awfully close to the same thing. Can anyone tell the difference?
Rim_Runner
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The one complaint I have heard about the 50 cal. is the high rate of lost game due to the long-range shots taken. I’ve never seen any data to back this claim up but if it can be proven that would a reason to consider a change to the hunting regs.
gil_wy
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The one complaint I have heard about the 50 cal. is the high rate of lost game due to the long-range shots taken. I’ve never seen any data to back this claim up but if it can be proven that would a reason to consider a change to the hunting regs.
I agree with that statement...if you can scientifically or even "practically" prove that it is detrimental to the game being hunted, by all means restrict it for hunting, just like hunting with the 22 lr is restricted. But you'd better have some darn good proof.
And then if you could prove it is detrimental to game, you'd better not even consider banning it in the sense that "assault" weapons are being considered. If I want to go blow up some gallon jugs at 1500 meters, NO ONE should be able to stop me!
The one complaint I have heard about the 50 cal. is the high rate of lost game due to the long-range shots taken. I’ve never seen any data to back this claim up but if it can be proven that would a reason to consider a change to the hunting regs.
I agree with that statement...if you can scientifically or even "practically" prove that it is detrimental to the game being hunted, by all means restrict it for hunting, just like hunting with the 22 lr is restricted. But you'd better have some darn good proof.
And then if you could prove it is detrimental to game, you'd better not even consider banning it in the sense that "assault" weapons are being considered. If I want to go blow up some gallon jugs at 1500 meters, NO ONE should be able to stop me!
Savage270NM
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The statement on 'long-range shots' could be said about any device (rifle, pistol, bow, etc...). That point just enforces the need for the hunter to know his weapon's limitations, as well as his own personal limitations.
I for instance will not shoot at a 'yote that is 200 yards out. Because I am not comfortable at that distance yet. I will however, go to the 'range' and practice the shot, and when I feel that I am confident enough I will then use that new capability.
Too many people judge us (as gun owners and hunters) by what those who draw attention to themselves do. And it seems that that is usually either unlawful or just plain stupid. IMHO
I for instance will not shoot at a 'yote that is 200 yards out. Because I am not comfortable at that distance yet. I will however, go to the 'range' and practice the shot, and when I feel that I am confident enough I will then use that new capability.
Too many people judge us (as gun owners and hunters) by what those who draw attention to themselves do. And it seems that that is usually either unlawful or just plain stupid. IMHO