Another gun store guy!

Originally Posted By: 2muchgunShouldn't. Don't mean it won't.....


i will do the bore site thingy like you mentioned! thanks


lonnie
 
I have had it happen, to different degrees, with 3 scopes recently. A Swift moved all over the room, a Vortex Viper and a Hawke Panorama(today) moved slightly. The latter 2 were nothing that would affect too much unless long range shooting was in order. For a typical guy, with a typical hunting rig, I doubt they would have ever known the difference........
 
We have a Wholesale Sport store in Fargo that has one guy that is always standing behind the gun counter with a big smile, and he never knows jack about any of the guns in the rack. You can ask him a question and he gets that deer in the headlites look and just looks at you and smiles, (I think if you asked him his name that he would be stumped for an answer) You than wait for one of the other guys to come to your aid. Glad I do a little inquiring before I go shopping.
 
There are some guys out there behind counters (and lots more in front of them) that are just plain unsafe. I have seen 32 Auto rounds handed over with the comment that "they will work fine in your .32 revolver". Peeking over a shoulder, it was obvious that the revolver wasn't safe with any ammunition, let alone incorrect ammo.

After a couple of sharp words, the guy (behind counter) admitted that it was the only .32 ammo they had and that he had never heard of a .32 to begin with. The other guy (in front of counter) admitted he had found the gun in a garage and had no idea of how to open the darned thing to begin with.

Makes me wonder why am I getting in Darwin's way?
 
Once when looking in Cabelas for a harris bipod,a friend and I asked the guy about them. He said not to spend the extra for the swivel model, because "How often do you see uneven ground in the field?". We just looked at each other and walked off laughing.
 
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The best thing I've learned is to buy from the owner/operator gun shops. They're the people who've shot them and sold them for much longer than the vast majority of hourly employees. One of the shops I deal with the owner knows more about shotguns than any reasonable person should. Another I deal with knows a ton about handguns. And neither will feed a customer BS just to sell a gun.
 
Can't buy guns from neighboring states, but you can if you involve an FFL. I can go to WY and buy one according to the guy in CO at Big R.
 
Originally Posted By: PowerfisherOk, I will chime in. My friend just picked up a S&W M&P15A. We did our research on line and with our local FFL to see what was legal in CA as well as handle one of his. Well, we went to Cabelas cuz the price was right and the guy @ Cabelas said none of em were legal in CA. Not true. He also told us that he didnt know the TR nor did he know the difference between the 3 modles he had on the floor show room. We asked if the bbls were all chrome lined, he did not know. We asked if we could mount a scope on the carry handle, he did not know. We asked him if we could shoot 5.56 out of a .223 chamber, he did not know. (you cant) you can shoot a .223 from a 5.56 but not the other way around. We already knew all the answeres but wanted to test this guy a bit. This is Cabelas, hundreds of guns andd this guy didnt know JACK! I also asked another guy a few questions about rimfire ammo and he had to read the info off the box...LMAO!!!!

Just to get this strait no that AR is not legal in your state of CA so he was correct on that. So before you go poking fun at him maybe you should have researched a little better or maybe find a different FFL! The reasons being it does not have the bullet button and it comes with 30rd mags all of which make illegal! Just like you said it's Cabela's with 100's of guns! Do you think you would know everything there is to know about every gun on the rack??
 
Originally Posted By: PowerfisherOriginally Posted By: RustydustOriginally Posted By: Powerfisher We asked him if we could shoot 5.56 out of a .223 chamber, he did not know. (you cant) you can shoot a .223 from a 5.56 but not the other way around.

I think that you are misinformed about this. I have shot thousands of rounds of 5.56 ammo through my various .223 rifles over the years with no problems of any kind. True, the pressures of some of the GI ammo is sometimes a bit higher than standard .223 stuff is, but over the last 40 years have never once heard of any issues doing it.

I may have been mis informed. When I bought my AR-15 (Eagle Arms Lower/Colt Upper w/Nato BBL). It had a NATO 5.56 bbl on it and I was told that I could shoot .223 from it but was lucky it was chambered in 5.56 cuz if it was a .223, all I could shoot out of it was .223 and not 5.56.....I was told this by an Armorer @ the Carson Armory in Mound House NV when I bought my AR. Thanks for setting me straight. Just goes to show you, even an Armorer can get it wrong......I dont know who to believe anymore

Why would you listen to someone on the internet over someone who makes the rifles???? Isn't that the reason they all stamp the cal. on the barrel?

Sorry Rustydust but that is like telling kids too smoke! Yeah you have been doing it for over 40 years and you haven't died so it's ok! That is something you should NOT be telling people it is ok to do!


Like others have said about these kind of threads you don't get to hear their sides of the story! I'm positive they would have better ones for sure! But then again I'm sure all of you guys that poke fun at them are all gun experts.
 
Originally Posted By: dmpowderOriginally Posted By: PowerfisherOk, I will chime in. My friend just picked up a S&W M&P15A. We did our research on line and with our local FFL to see what was legal in CA as well as handle one of his. Well, we went to Cabelas cuz the price was right and the guy @ Cabelas said none of em were legal in CA. Not true. He also told us that he didnt know the TR nor did he know the difference between the 3 modles he had on the floor show room. We asked if the bbls were all chrome lined, he did not know. We asked if we could mount a scope on the carry handle, he did not know. We asked him if we could shoot 5.56 out of a .223 chamber, he did not know. (you cant) you can shoot a .223 from a 5.56 but not the other way around. We already knew all the answeres but wanted to test this guy a bit. This is Cabelas, hundreds of guns andd this guy didnt know JACK! I also asked another guy a few questions about rimfire ammo and he had to read the info off the box...LMAO!!!!

Just to get this strait no that AR is not legal in your state of CA so he was correct on that. So before you go poking fun at him maybe you should have researched a little better or maybe find a different FFL! The reasons being it does not have the bullet button and it comes with 30rd mags all of which make illegal! Just like you said it's Cabela's with 100's of guns! Do you think you would know everything there is to know about every gun on the rack??



he is correct, S&W does make CA legal AR's, but the M&P15A is not one of them. Your friend might want to double check the model and specs, lest he be found committing a Felony in the communist republic of CA.
 
Was in Gander Mountain a few years back and heard one of the gun guys talking to a 19 year old about his first bolt action deer rifle. The 19 year old was considering a 270 or 30-06 in a Remington 700 or a Ruger M77. The "gun guy" explained that the 270 and 30-06 were great short range rounds but if any shots over 100 yards were expected a 300 Win Mag would be where to start at.
 
Sorry Rustydust but that is like telling kids too smoke! Yeah you have been doing it for over 40 years and you haven't died so it's ok! That is something you should NOT be telling people it is ok to do!

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Only going by my personal history with shooting those rounds and all others that I know that have one as well. I have never once heard of anyone ever having any issues shooting 5.56 in a .223 Remington. I have many friends that have .223 rifles and we all shoot surplus 5.56 ball ammo on occasion. Never any problems of any kind. Nor have I ever heard of any issues with shooting 7.62 ammo in a 308 Winchester for that matter.

I value my guns as well as my own body parts. If I thought that there was any danger at all I would not be shooting the stuff.
 
Here's my take.. Anybody lookin for gun advice from the counter guy has no business buying a gun of any kind anyhow.. People should do a little research ahead of time before buying any kind of firearm..

I saw the perfect example of this yesterday ar Sportsmans WH where the whole family was there looking to buy a rifle for the wife of their son.. The only criteria the lil woman had was " how much will it kick?" And "is it on sale?"
 
Originally Posted By: zillaHere's my take.. Anybody lookin for gun advice from the counter guy has no business buying a gun of any kind anyhow.. People should do a little research ahead of time before buying any kind of firearm..



That's my take also.

Heck, you can go through one days worth of posts right here on this board and come up with numerous questions from guys that probably don't have any business buying/owning/handling a firearm.

People in glass houses, blah, blah, blah. Ya know.

I can just imagine the stories some of the guys behind the counter could tell.
 
Gonzaga, actually IIRC, you can buy a handgun in another state ONLY if you have it shipped to an FFL in your state for delivery. A long gun - you should be good to go. However, company policies also come into play.
Mark
 
Got a couple.

First I agree that if you're relying on the gun store clerk you probably shouldn't be buying one, so most times I don't get into discusions.

That being said I stopped in to pick up some scope rings for my wby ultralite and told the guy behind the counter I wanted a set of leupold low rings and bases. Instead of just giving me the set he inquires what I'm mounting. So I tell him the rifle scope combo and he assures me that I need med rings to fit. I said no thanks I want the lows. I wanted to leave it at that but he pulls an attitude and says lows won't work and he knows what he's talking about since he does this for a living. I then had to reply that he thought the same when he tried to push med rings on me for my wssm scope combo a couple months prior and was wrong about that one too. OF course the low rings fit since I had already done my measurments, and my scope sits nice and low just as I like.

Second story I was a gunshow looking to get a 700 action cheap for a build. This was prior to my AR days and I didn't know a thing about the black rifle, but I was interested in the idea of the 243 in what I now know is the AR 10 platform. So I was looking at a booth that had an 308 AR 10. I asked the guy what all you have to change on them to switch it to the 243. I was then informed that you cannot convert that rifle to 243 since the 308 it such a "powerful round" and would need to purchase a 223 to convert. I guess I gave him a puzzled look and he added that he's only been selling these for the last 10yrs. I just said I wasn't going to argue the matter and walked away wondering how many suckers were led astray in the last 10 years.
 
But figured id just post here to save space!


I have got to the point where I would rather go deal with large chain gun dealers or internet sales 100% of the time! We have a few "little man" shops here in town and NONE of then will be getting my $! Complete at total DICKS! (bad word in all caps)... Disrespectful, rude, unhappy people!

At least the young guy giving out false info at the big store does so respectfully and with a smile on his face!


Rant off.


^wow... dont know how that made it through the bad word editor..
 
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