AR15 Look-a-Like Accuracy?

SamSpade

SamSpade

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I am not into this AR15 craze or the military rifle thing. I have read that some of the Bushmasters, etc. are excellent shooters. In the past couple of weeks I have observed three different shooters show up at the local range with them. Don't ask me what they were they just looked like the AR15. These rifles or maybe the shooter can't hit 8" bulls at 50 yards and some have trouble doing it at 25 yards. All of them had scopes so the shooter couldn't be that bad. One guy ended up on the 10 yard target???? Is there a lot of junk being made that just look like the AR15?
 
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There are a ton of AR varients out there that have a wide variety of options and the level of quality is just as wide spread. There is also a possibility of loose nuts behind the trigger. The current rage has attracted a lot of low dollar entrys into the field that I suspect appeal to the less experienced shooters. I don't know what you witnessed but I have frequently retreated to 25 yards when my bore sighing was off.
In the late 60's I modified a new Colt out of the box with a scope and found with the proper reloads I could out shoot most of the high dollar single shots and bench guns I had. Today if you throw enough money at it you can come dangerously close to competing in Bench Rest with the black rifle. Go to Camp Perry and see what dominates High Power.
For running game like varmints I think they are hard to beat plus they do very well on paper assuming quality components and assembly. Most of my bolt guns are collecting dust since I got the Black Rifle Disease.
 
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I agree with Bob's statements. "MOST" ar's are very, very capable rifles. Remember also, that a LOT of newer shooters do not even try to bore-sight, they just throw a scope on the gun and go to the range and spend unnecessary $$$ trying to get it on the paper. And of course.......the first "paper" they try is always the 150 yard shot. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
There are a lot of people who can't even figure out how to mount their optics, let alone shoot and hit anything. As far as not being into the military rifle thing, what kind of rifles do you use? Pretty much any rifle is based on or was at one point a military rifle.
 
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As far as not being into the military rifle thing, what kind of rifles do you use? Pretty much any rifle is based on or was at one point a military rifle.


Don't insult my intelligence and I won't insult yours!
 
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As far as not being into the military rifle thing, what kind of rifles do you use? Pretty much any rifle is based on or was at one point a military rifle.


Don't insult my intelligence and I won't insult yours!



And to think......... I left AR15.com to come over here where everyone was nice to each other. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

Ease up, Sam! I doubt that he was trying to insult your intelligence, but merely reading exactly what you said in your post. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
WOW Sam, ease up a bit...no-one here is trying to "insult" anyone's intelligence here. As far as your original; question regarding knock-off AR's, there are quite a few. For a shooter to not be able to effectively score on a 50 yard target with any AR sounds like operator head space to me. There are; however, some very, very accurate AR rifles out there...I own a Porfessional Ordinance that is quite a shooter. Like anything else in life, you always get what you pay for. As far as the shooters not hitting their 25 or 50 yard targets, sounds like they're just horrible marksmen, or their scopes are not working properly...
 
I purchased one of the cheap AR 15's a little over a year ago to see if this type of rifle suits me. A Model 1 upper and a Stag Arms lower. A mutt in the purest sense. After giving it some trigger work and a light lapping of the barrel it shoots moa if I can. I will say that the shape of the AR makes if difficult to keep still off sandbags. The round forearm is hard to steady and the pistol grip tends to hinder a solid rest. I've read and been told that bipods solidify that problem sustantially. And the pistol grip is a pleasure to reach for once I got accustom to it. That said, though, it is a fun, practical, easy handling and accurate long gun.
Maybe those fellas are new to the sport and need an experienced NRA Life member to offer some friendly advice so they, too, will become a strong supporter of our freedoms.
 
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Maybe those fellas are new to the sport and need an experienced NRA Life member to offer some friendly advice so they, too, will become a strong supporter of our freedoms.



Good point Christopher!

When I see someone at our local club who seems frustrated or is having problems, I usually say (in a casual tone) "Is everything OK??" You would be surprised at the "newbies" who have no clue but are afraid to ask because they think they will be laughed at, ridiculed, or whatever. Furthermore......I don't feel safe with them around me if they don't know what they are doing. I've seen WAY too many muzzles pointed in WAY too many directions. Sooooooo....a little time spent showing, sharing, and educating is well worth it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I don't think you can blame any one type of weapon on not being a shooter because humans are involved.Some people want to hit what there shooting at, some want to here the bang, some people care ,some don't give a dang.Good words Nibbler.
 
I was at my range a few weeks back and saw a guy with an AR rechambered for 22LR put 5 shots in 1 hole at 100 yards. I couldnt believe it. Obviously the gun was fairly customized and the guy was able to use it but it was pretty much the most perfect 1 hole group I have ever seen, not even ragged one hole, looked like one shot... I dont know what kind of AR it was, but it was definitley capable, I was jealous.
 
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I was at my range a few weeks back and saw a guy with an AR rechambered for 22LR put 5 shots in 1 hole at 100 yards. I dont know what kind of AR it was, but it was definitley capable, I was jealous.



ANY 22LR that can put 5 in 1 at 100 yds is a shooter.......AR or bolt, semi, whatever! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif
 
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As far as not being into the military rifle thing, what kind of rifles do you use? Pretty much any rifle is based on or was at one point a military rifle.


Don't insult my intelligence and I won't insult yours!



And to think......... I left AR15.com to come over here where everyone was nice to each other. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

Ease up, Sam! I doubt that he was trying to insult your intelligence, but merely reading exactly what you said in your post. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif



That is what I was doing, reading what he said in his post. After seeing his response I would say that his original post had nothing to do with asking a question and everything to do with making a statement.
 
Ya know there is a lot of junk out there but more than anything there are a hundred times more shooters that are just plain lousy shots.

Take this for example, a guy goes into his favorite gun store and buys the fastest, coolest most expensive Kimber or Wilson 1911 in the shop and is told it will shoot 1" groups at 50 yards all day. The guy takes it to the range and can't hit a silhouette target three times inside the 7 ring at 7 yards. Is it the gun? Now suddenly it's a piece of crap and the shooter next to Mr. fancy smancy just laughs and puts 25 in the 10 at 25 yards with a knock off Browning Hi Power.

SamSpade, your little emblem there next to your post indicates you are an NRA instructor. Tell us and convince us you have never seen this little senerio played out at least once in your career as a certifide NRA instructor. Heck, just today I watched 20 deputies shoot nearly 1000 rounds and only a hand full could hit their target consistantly at 25 yards and none of them shot a perfect score. Most were using Glocks and most Glocks shoot pretty well.
 
Whew! I ask one simple little question: "Is there a lot of junk being made that just look like the AR15?" And I get all of this flack! Only UgashikBob answered the question. The rest of you jumped on the defense of the AR type rifles and AR15 decides to be a smart A$$.

I didn't say anything against military type rifles or insinuate it. To me us "gun people" have diversified interests and that's a good thing.
 
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SamSpade, your little emblem there next to your post indicates you are an NRA instructor. Tell us and convince us you have never seen this little senerio played out at least once in your career as a certifide NRA instructor. Heck, just today I watched 20 deputies shoot nearly 1000 rounds and only a hand full could hit their target consistantly at 25 yards and none of them shot a perfect score. Most were using Glocks and most Glocks shoot pretty well.

Yes I am an NRA instructor but mostly for the kids and even the beginners don't shoot as bad as I seen these guys shoot. I just thought it might be just cheap copies of the AR? I also have worked as a range officer at police qualifications and they are pretty bad.
 
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Maybe those fellas are new to the sport and need an experienced NRA Life member to offer some friendly advice so they, too, will become a strong supporter of our freedoms.


I learned long ago that you don't say anything about someone's marksmanship. If they ask for help I am more than willing to help but if they don't ask they won't listen anyway! As far as I know they may call their rifle "accurate" because there is a broad interpetation of that word.
 
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I also have worked as a range officer at police qualifications and they are pretty bad.



HaHa......BAD...You mean horrible /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

When I see some of our crew going in with guns drawn, I'm leaving and in a hurry /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



I have a been one to offer help to some shooters on the range and you are right, many of them have no clue and don't want any help. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
There are infinite clone parts for AR's and some of this stuff is really junk! Then,you have those that think they can put one together. Then, you have those that can't hit the side of a barn with a cannon. Then, you have ones that don't know which mount to use with their scope that is not loose or does not fit right.

To answer your question, yes there is lots of junk out there.
 
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