ARGHHHHH , POLICE RUIN 2 HUNTS FOR ME TONIGHT!!!!!!!!

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You stated above that if a LEO ever pulls a gun on you again for something trivial then he better use it or get beat up. So you are going to purposely escalate a dangerous situation into a deadly one on purpose? What a childish statement to make. As mentioned above an officer does not always know what situation he/she is walking into and must take appropriate steps to insure both their safety and the safety of others.
There are proper channels to follow if you feel you were threatened or wronged in an inappropriate manner. Retaliation with personal violence certainly isn't among them.
From your posts it seems you are arrogant, hot headed and defiant which is indeed a bad combination in a heated situation. After reading your comments I have no doubt your emotions add fuel to the fire when LEO's are encountered.
 
Sounds like you are going to have a long history with the law if you don't end up dead first!

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i told her someone needed to beat some sence into both of them .



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If i ever have a cop pull a gun on me for spinning my tires like i did back then or something else as trivial as that you can garuntee im gonna give him a beating if i am not shot first.



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let me say this , if an officer gets jumpy around me and pulls a gun on me when i am doing nothing wrong then he better be prepared to use it .

 
well for your information im 28 and have never so much as had a speeding ticket. It seems to me to many people dont have the cojones to stand up for themselves when looking at a badge. this all started out as a simple story and turned into a respect the authority routine. but if you want to debate the issue then i will oblige you . If your gonna let it slide when some jackleg has a pistol pointed at your chest because he got his information screwed up then i truly feel sorry for you . I guess we just have a little different perspective on such matters around here. Im simply saying if a man pulls a wepon on me , a MAN pulls it , whether he is an officer or not , just because THEY got the information screwed up then yeah , i have a huge problem with that , everyone is treating this like police officers are put up on this pedastal , like they are the only people who have things rough . Let me inform yall of something , they are human to and they make mistakes just like we do , only in one members case theyr mistakes could mean the death of an innocent person , it honestly has me dumbfounded at how anyone could condone that. Good lord , i mean seriously , they are people just like you and me , hell 2 years ago was the election for sherriff here , the right man got the job , do you know what the long time deputy , the other candidate did , the dare cop that works with kids and helps to keep them on the right path , the one who went to all the schools and spoke to our children on how to behave ? Well after he lost the election he gave it a few weeks and wrote some drawn out sappy goodbye note and shot himself in the chest and killed himself. This is how i look at that situation , when a man is in that state its like a boat dead in the water , he can paddle to the left bank or he can paddle to the right , he could have just as easily shot some innocent person before doing that to himself , if he was screwed up in the head enough to take his own life then he is screwed up in the head enough to take someone elses. It [beeep] me off to think that there are so many people out there that would let having theyr life threatened by a person holding a gun on them that had the wrong information just slide on by like water down the river. It is like deer stabber said , yall that are defending actions like this strike me as the type of person to hand over your granddads hex barrel model 94 30-30 when they come to collect your guns . When someone violates my rights your [beeep] right it [beeep] me off , it [beeep] me off enough to fight . When someone threatens my life and my familys wel being it [beeep] me off . For a 100 years our familys men and women have gone across oceans to fight for our rights and our liberty and our right to defend them and they have died in the process , so the way i see it if all those soldiers could travel that far to fight for my rights what in the sam hill makes you think that i wont fight for my rights in my own backyard. Now im not calling everyone in this thread out , dont take it like that , but there are a couple posters that just strike me as week and are being led like sheep . Tell ya what fellers , yall just let them guys drop a bead between your eyes " let that fella take a chance on taking your sons and daughters daddy away " just because of a fuzzy sounding mic , and then pat him on the back when you ffind out out he is just having a bad day or mis understood the dispatcher.when they make it illeagle to have your grandpas lever gun over the fire place yall go hand it in when they ask you to just because they are wearing the badge and your not . Just go crawl under your rock and take that beating , guys like myself will be out there doing what we love and we will be the ones keeping them in check and making sure that they follow theyr rules as well so YOU can do what YOU love. Thats all this thread started out to be , was how i thought it was wrong for the officer to do what he did and it turned into this. If the mods want to delete this whole shebang then feel free.
 
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I took two guys with me during the day once that both carried AR's. A nosey neighbor called the landowner {which I had already spoke with} and told him that there were 3 guys shooting fully automatic machine guns on his land. When in fact we never fired a shot, she just saw "machine guns"!
I spoke with the land owner about a week later and we had a good laugh over it.
If I hadn't called him ahead he would have had to come check it out.

Yes it's a hassel to make a few phone calls ,but not nearly as big a hassel as going through what is being discussed here.

Most landowners appreciate the phone call the one's that don't will tell you.



Have to agree with "Guess" here, it may be a bit of trouble, but it would be worth it. Especially with the popularity of AR's in predator hunting, we need to be extra careful. Their PRESENTATION AND APPEARANCE to people not familiar with guns may intimidate some people. The general nonshooting public may PERCEIVE them as dangerous/being used in some form of foul play, or even as "automatic machine guns" in Guess's case. It never hurts to make sure the landowner knows what you will be hunting, where on his property, when you will be hunting, and what type gun you will be using. I've not ever thought that I was bugging the landowner when I have notified him that I will be hunting on his land...after all, it is HIS land and he has a right to know. I would want to know if someone I had given permission to hunt my land was on my property at a certain point in time, if for nothing else than for safety.
Thanks for letting me put in my 2 cents,
Adam
 
They ARE NOT people just like you and I. They put their lives on the line daily to protect people like you and me. They would die to protect you, the very same person ragging on them.
Are they superhuman or infallable? Nope. Are all LEO's honest and sincere? Nope. Do they deserve respect for trying to look out for the safety and well being of the general public despite putting themselves in danger? MOST DEFINATELY!
I wonder if your sisters poor attitude mentioned in the initial post has to do with your obvious general disdain of LEO in general.
As far as being 28 and never having a ticket, you surely deserved at least one for doing a burnout. Before you ask, no I don't believe it warrants having a gun pulled on you but if you were already acting a fool I wonder what else transpired that you might have left out.
You also mention a group of youths attacking a State Trooper. If the kids in your area are that aggressive, unruly and rebellious against authority then it is no wonder the local police department are on edge!
One last thing, You mention Deerstabber in your post. Both of you are from Illinois and both have Frederick in your profile. Are you two related? That might explain his and yours somewhat radical views.
 
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Well lets just turn the table on the others who thinks its O.K. to point a firearm at someone. Lets say someone points a gun at you jdunham, I would fully expect you to defend yourself right, so whats the difference? My point is there are those of us that dont take it very lightly at having a gun pointed at us!
 
Guys,

This post has gotten way blown up. Having a gun pointed at you by "JoeBlow" is one thing... but when an officer pulls his gun that would be a signal to me to have the absolute upmost respect for his authority! He does have the authority regardless of how you feel about that! He may not be right but it is your duty as a law abiding citizen to comply. To say you would beat on the cop is just plain stupid! REALLY STUPID!

Sorry, but I think I need to withdraw my offer to hunt with you fellows... you obviously need to growup and I'm afraid your disrespect would not work in my world. If you want to talk face to face then maybe we can find a balance but the way things stand right now... no thanks!

Nikonut /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
Had a similar situation a few years ago,happened to be my last night hunt before moving from the peoples rebublic of Maryland.My daughter executed her first red 10 minutes before the season ended.A few minutes later a porch lite came on a neigboring property,then a spot lite from a pickup,folowed by several cop cars.we were observing this circus from 500 yards away back at the pickup.One car even came down the farm lane toward my vehicle then turned around.After the dust settled we decided to venture home,passed to of the patrol cars in my mud covered lifted 4x4 and on home we went.The problem I have with calling the law ahead of time is this constant influence of accuntability to big brother- its like asking permission to do somthing legal.Years ago while hunting with redeyedog we were stopped by the state police who were clueless you were even allowed to hunt at night,Only after a call to the DNR from the patol car were we allowed to leave the area.We live in a paranoid,freedom losing ,dependent, soon to be police state.Unbeleivebly,even in wyoming the game officials run things like a gestapo,with a certain sense of guilt before proven innocent.
 
Well Nikonut I certainly dont agree with the statement about beating up an officer, its the pointing of a gun that bothered me. Whether your an officer or not you still need to respect others as I would respect you. Now dont get me wrong folks, I am not kicking on any law enforcement they have got a tough job, I couldnt handle it! Now about those custom calls of yours Nikonut?
 
ok first off , luvmtorts , what bubble did you grow up in , i mean seriously i deserved a ticket for doing a burnout in a parking lot , give me a break . i would hate to have led the sheltered life you did if you never did a burnout . seriously give me a break you are really grabbing at straws here. And niko dont worry about the hunt , i never invited you so it really doesnt bother me in the least. think im just gonna bow on out of these forums . You know its funny , these guys say how they respect the laws because they are there , not for what they mean but just because they are laws. Aint it funny , Hitler i believe made it a law at one point to kill any jews the nazi army came across , in certain middle eastern countries the simplest theft of an apple can result in death from the govt, at one time it was law that black folks couldnt drink from the same fountain as you. [beeep] am i glad we didnt have a bunch of guys like niko and luvsmtorts runnin around back then because they would have respected those laws simply because they were laws. gimmie a break
 
Mac,
I have indeed done burn outs, exceeded the speed limit, got busted smoking weed, etc.. All while a juvenile and received citations for each offense. I didn't like it but I am the one who chose to break the law. Eventually I realized the world doesn't conform to what I think is right or wrong and thus I grew up. I suggest you try that in the near future.
Comparing Nazi genocide and segregation to practical and modern law is ridiculous and insulting to the people who had to suffer through those atrocities. It also once again goes a long ways in showing your level of maturity. I find myself wondering if you are truly 28 years old and if you are I am at a complete loss that you simply cannot see the difference between abominable acts and laws that apply to all citizens regardless of race, sex or religion.
It appears as though it is you my friend who has lived in a bubble for far too long. I truly hope when your bubble is finally busted it is verbally and not physically.
I respect the laws because they were put in place by the people that I, as a voting citizen helped put into office. I don't agree with all of them but choose to fight my battles through legal channels and not try to show my toughness by threatening physical violence or creating a tough guy internet facade.
If you choose to leave the forum I wish you the best and hope one day you may be able to reflect back over this thread and realize what others as well as myself are trying to express.
 
Well Mac,

You didn't invite me to hunt, I invited you and Wes.

Having known your family for nearly 50years it is more than surprising that you don't understand respect. GeneW Sr. was my scoutleader and helped instill respect in my early upbringing.
Unfortunately it is arrogance like yours that eventually erodes the rights of others. There was a time when being the toughest and meanest kid on the block might have gotten you through life. Not so in today's world... the reason is simply in the numbers. There are too many people and too many boundries now. That causes the need for more protections for all, not just a few that believe they have all the answers. I certainly don't have all the answers and I've certainly done more than my share of rocking the boat and standing up for my rights and the rights of others... and I will continue to do so. Even your rights!
...and I think I've lived and hunted in this area longer than you so maybe you should at least hear what I'm saying even if you don't care to act on what I've said. Someday maybe we can get together and find a middle ground. I have hunting ground down your way and I'm always interested in meeting fellow coyote hunters... until then I'm going to let this one rest.

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I'm sooo happy to be retired now. One thing for sure I learned, is there is a lot of people out there that know more about how to be a police oficer than a REAL police officer does. Everyone can tell you just how to do your job but never spent one minute in a uniform.

You screwed the pooch on that one, don't blame it on your sister or the rookie, don't try to impress yourself because you know the Sheriff. Just learn from it and move on, next time don't think "your the man", certainly no one else seems to think so.

The Deputy was doing his job, rookie or vet it don't matter. You are responsible for your actions, not your sister, not your friends, not your mommy! Get a grip and grow up.
 
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I'm sooo happy to be retired now. One thing for sure I learned, is there is a lot of people out there that know more about how to be a police oficer than a REAL police officer does. Everyone can tell you just how to do your job but never spent one minute in a uniform.

You screwed the pooch on that one, don't blame it on your sister or the rookie, don't try to impress yourself because you know the Sheriff. Just learn from it and move on, next time don't think "your the man", certainly no one else seems to think so.

The Deputy was doing his job, rookie or vet it don't matter. You are responsible for your actions, not your sister, not your friends, not your mommy! Get a grip and grow up.



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If i ever have a cop pull a gun on me for spinning my tires like i did back then or something else as trivial as that you can garuntee im gonna give him a beating if i am not shot first. No man and I mean NO MAN is going to put a bead on my chest with an itchy trigger finger that is just having a bad day and put me and my family at risk like that.Im not saying that i hate cops yadda yadda yadda , like i said before some of my closest friends put the badge on and go to work .



You really need to check yourself. You take that kind of attitude to a city known for dealing with attitudes like that and you'll go home in bag.
You need to learn about aggravated aggression and how it will kill you.


Guys like you sir, are just cheap entertainment. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Amen 6 times for those retired LEO's.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Mac lots of sound advise and common sense from many members.

+1 for what Glenn Guess said... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Just reading the first 3 lines of your first post, I started shaking my head. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

If your going to print a war story like that, I might choose my words more carefully... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

99% percent of folks here won't think highly of anyone who says a cop pulls a gun on me he'd better use it. You don't score points with statements like that.

I didn't see a lot of open support or sympathy from most of the readers...... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

My advise, think about your writing skills in telling a story, or I'd be willing to bet as time goes on you won't get to many replies..Most of the replies on this thread weren't one of support.

Just my opinion of course... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
I can see where he could get upset by the fact the rookie left without making 100% contact with the folks he was "investigating" and went through the vehicle.

I would have been hot and made alot of noise over that one myself.There are point in times where law enforcement officers do cross the line.Simply because a human puts on a badge does not make them Jesus.

I`m not saying every officer is a jerk and you should act like a gangbanger towards them but at the same time they won`t be getting roses when dirt is thrown.

I was falsely arrested not far from where Mac lives.I had a Grand-Am that was K.I.A and had no current tag sitting in an alley.I paid the ticket and went on.About 3 weeks later I get pulled over and told I have a warrent for my arrest.I laughed at the officer as ther was absolutely no way on earth I would have had an arrest warrent for anything.

I asked for what the warrent was for and the officer had no clue.Now this town is 5600 people.Dang near everyone knows everyone.This particular officer takes his job seriously and him telling me he didn`t know made me extremely suspicious.

For the sake of not getting beat up by him I went on with him.Now anyone being arrested has their car towed.This same officer towed a truck of mine for me not having my INS. card on me yet that same night he let his niece and a car full of dirtballs go home.The female was drunk and a few dirtballs had open container.Tell me how thats fair?

Anyhow...I get into the jailhouse and the MORON fatboy that works the inside was rude as all get out.I was quite annoyed by the whole thing but I wasn`t irate or rude as I knew I was clean and just wanted to leave.Getting all dickheaded would have only made my stay longer and I knew that.

I was fine untill it became clear the fatboy was being rude on purpose.That got me hot.Then once he found out who was coming to pick me up he got all respectfull and became my buddy.

I`m smart enough to know not all law enforcement are that way but many times these people are plain jerks and have you pegged as a criminal from the get go.

I had the recipt of paying the ticket thus making the "arrest" void.


Sometimes G.I forgets about the JOE.....
 
Many times the officer will not know the exact status or charge of the warrant. All we get when we run the plate is that there is an outstanding warrant hit on that plate or vehicle. There is no way for the officer to know until he/she checks the status through the issuing agency. Protocol is to take the subject(s) into custody and advise them of their Miranda rights first thing, if it is reasonably safe to do so. Then we confirm the warrant, if it's good you stay in the backseat, if it's nonconfirmed or no longer valid you go on your merry way. The courts give us that authority, don't like it, contact your representative.

If you resist the arrest, you get popped for resisting. No person can lawfully resist any arrest lawful or not, you simply get your day in court. So many people have screwed themselves trying to fight an officer over what they believe is an unlawful arrest. You can always take matters up with a private civil attorney after the dust settles. Sure it makes for a messed up weekend but the outcome is usually in your favor "IF" the offier is completely wrong or does something with malice.

Remember this, cops of all ages and experience want to go home at the end of their shift. Why would you let anyone kill you because they happen to think you as an officer, is wrong.

If anyone thinks they can do a better job, go take the test and do your part for society. This is not the place to ramble about how badly any officer screwed up your hunt.

That officer did have lawful authority to look inside of the vehicle when he found it. We are given the authority to investigate anything or anyone that appears to be involved in or has been involved in or is suspect of a crime, including vehicles.

You know what you are doing... We don't.

We look at everything with some suspicion, that's how we catch bad guys. Had Macs truck been a non-reported stolen vehicle, I'm sure Mac would have been really bent had the officer not even taken the time to look at it. Now why he didn't investigate the situation a little better was probably because he was new and maybe not sure just how far to go. Rookies get themselves jammed up often because they don't push the envelope. We don't really know the real reason or the facts as we were not there.
 
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