Barrel damage from rapid firing 30 rd clip?
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Burn it up a couple of mags wont hurt it. But I am curious to what the accurate life of a barrel is? Ole 270 lost it in one shoot in a good dog town. I have a heavy barrel 223 AR that I shoot dogs with that has about 3000 rounds through it, and it will still shoot under and Inch at 100 yds. Anyone have an idea?
tactical assault
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Originally Posted By: Hibsbtw... they don't make "full auto" military M16's anymore, not since Vietnam. All the ones we have are semi or 3 round burst.
It takes only a couple of pieces to cure that....
It takes only a couple of pieces to cure that....
Originally Posted By: tactical assaultOriginally Posted By: Hibsbtw... they don't make "full auto" military M16's anymore, not since Vietnam. All the ones we have are semi or 3 round burst.
It takes only a couple of pieces to cure that....
I think those "couple of pieces" are pretty expensive if you obtain them legally, and even more expensive if you don't.
Which are you talking about?
It takes only a couple of pieces to cure that....
I think those "couple of pieces" are pretty expensive if you obtain them legally, and even more expensive if you don't.
Which are you talking about?
tactical assault
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Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: tactical assaultOriginally Posted By: Hibsbtw... they don't make "full auto" military M16's anymore, not since Vietnam. All the ones we have are semi or 3 round burst.
It takes only a couple of pieces to cure that....
I think those "couple of pieces" are pretty expensive if you obtain them legally, and even more expensive if you don't.
Which are you talking about?
Legal.....please. it only illegal if you get caught!!!!!!! (Before the red flags start flying, this was meant as humor)
It takes only a couple of pieces to cure that....
I think those "couple of pieces" are pretty expensive if you obtain them legally, and even more expensive if you don't.
Which are you talking about?
Legal.....please. it only illegal if you get caught!!!!!!! (Before the red flags start flying, this was meant as humor)
tactical assault
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My m16 is a title 10 registered weapon. Department owned and issued. They frawn on use runing illegal parts in them!!!!
Hidenseekpro
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Originally Posted By: Hibsbtw... they don't make "full auto" military M16's anymore, not since Vietnam. All the ones we have are semi or 3 round burst.
Maybe a little more recent than Viet Nam.
As of '01 when I left NMCB 74, we still had FA M16's, M16A2E3. We were so equipped because we were not alotted SAW's and only ran M60E3's as LMG. Each platoon had a designated automatic rifleman. He was authorized to go "twinkie forward." Everyone was equipped to fill that role, though.
It was always cool getting around Marine Corps units. At first, they wouldn't believe us that our rifles were FA, then after we proved it, they wanted to swap lowers.
Maybe a little more recent than Viet Nam.
As of '01 when I left NMCB 74, we still had FA M16's, M16A2E3. We were so equipped because we were not alotted SAW's and only ran M60E3's as LMG. Each platoon had a designated automatic rifleman. He was authorized to go "twinkie forward." Everyone was equipped to fill that role, though.
It was always cool getting around Marine Corps units. At first, they wouldn't believe us that our rifles were FA, then after we proved it, they wanted to swap lowers.
ricky_arthur
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All I can say Is wow, just wow, to those of you who suggest multiple rapid Mag dumps do no harm to a BBL.
Think of it this way, it's kinda like hearing loss, you can go to the range without ear pro or a rock concert or 2 and think, "wow, I hear just as good as I ever did, loud noises must not do any damage". But you would also be wrong. It's the cumulative effect.
It's a simple fact that as you heat up a BBl, the hotter it gets, the BBl wears more with each shot.
Now with that being said, there is a difference between doing it with a rifle that is expected to shoot 3 MOA (about what the Military expects from an M4 type weapon) at 100 and one that you want to shoot 1/2 MOA at the same distance. If the OP's coyote carbine is his hunting rifle and he wants to keep optimum accuracy for the long term, I would suggest he refrain from 30 rnd Mag Dumps just to "see how it will group". An AR BBL can hold 3 MOA for many thousands and even 10's of thousands of rounds. OTOH I've seen BBLs with visible damage to the throat and BBL with round counts in the hundreds. Your typical Varmint rig (which is what the op's gun is) owner will not be happy with 3 inch groups, even though that would be plenty accurate enough to "qualify" with.
Tell ya what OP, I've got one set up that will never wear a scope and never be shot for groups at 200 yards, you can dump a mag through that one.
Ricky
Think of it this way, it's kinda like hearing loss, you can go to the range without ear pro or a rock concert or 2 and think, "wow, I hear just as good as I ever did, loud noises must not do any damage". But you would also be wrong. It's the cumulative effect.
It's a simple fact that as you heat up a BBl, the hotter it gets, the BBl wears more with each shot.
Now with that being said, there is a difference between doing it with a rifle that is expected to shoot 3 MOA (about what the Military expects from an M4 type weapon) at 100 and one that you want to shoot 1/2 MOA at the same distance. If the OP's coyote carbine is his hunting rifle and he wants to keep optimum accuracy for the long term, I would suggest he refrain from 30 rnd Mag Dumps just to "see how it will group". An AR BBL can hold 3 MOA for many thousands and even 10's of thousands of rounds. OTOH I've seen BBLs with visible damage to the throat and BBL with round counts in the hundreds. Your typical Varmint rig (which is what the op's gun is) owner will not be happy with 3 inch groups, even though that would be plenty accurate enough to "qualify" with.
Tell ya what OP, I've got one set up that will never wear a scope and never be shot for groups at 200 yards, you can dump a mag through that one.
Ricky
coyotex
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This is on the verge of being silly....At no point did the OP say anything about multiple 30 rnd dumps...I think just one,singular,uno.
20,30,60 120 round mags are available...i guess so you do not have to load em as often???? i dunno maybe we all got em cause the look cool?
And by theory if its 105 degrees out on a sunny day...every shot erodes the throat on our barrel....so we should only shoot on cold days?
Ask yourself this...what is harder on a barrel....100 slow fire through a 22-250 bolt gun....or 200 .223 burst fire?
Basically myself..i use em for hunting,shooting fun..ect..
If i butch a barrel and have too drop 3 bills to replace it...woopty -doo....would i do it again...absolutely.
X
20,30,60 120 round mags are available...i guess so you do not have to load em as often???? i dunno maybe we all got em cause the look cool?
And by theory if its 105 degrees out on a sunny day...every shot erodes the throat on our barrel....so we should only shoot on cold days?
Ask yourself this...what is harder on a barrel....100 slow fire through a 22-250 bolt gun....or 200 .223 burst fire?
Basically myself..i use em for hunting,shooting fun..ect..
If i butch a barrel and have too drop 3 bills to replace it...woopty -doo....would i do it again...absolutely.
X
buckskull
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Thank you everyone for your input.
I am all about having a sub MOA set up.
I originally started handloading just because I could not get sub MOA groups out of some of my bolts with factory loads.
I believe the best option for me would be to buy a less expensive chrome lined upper and slap that on when the mood hits me to go out and dump a few mags....
I am all about having a sub MOA set up.
I originally started handloading just because I could not get sub MOA groups out of some of my bolts with factory loads.
I believe the best option for me would be to buy a less expensive chrome lined upper and slap that on when the mood hits me to go out and dump a few mags....
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Originally Posted By: buckskullThank you everyone for your input.
I am all about having a sub MOA set up.
I originally started handloading just because I could not get sub MOA groups out of some my bolts with factory loads.
I believe the best option for me would be to buy a less expensive chrome lined upper and slap that on when the mood hits me to go out and dump a few mags....
exactly!
I am all about having a sub MOA set up.
I originally started handloading just because I could not get sub MOA groups out of some my bolts with factory loads.
I believe the best option for me would be to buy a less expensive chrome lined upper and slap that on when the mood hits me to go out and dump a few mags....
exactly!
Originally Posted By: tactical assaultOriginally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: tactical assaultOriginally Posted By: Hibsbtw... they don't make "full auto" military M16's anymore, not since Vietnam. All the ones we have are semi or 3 round burst.
It takes only a couple of pieces to cure that....
I think those "couple of pieces" are pretty expensive if you obtain them legally, and even more expensive if you don't.
Which are you talking about?
Legal.....please. it only illegal if you get caught!!!!!!! (Before the red flags start flying, this was meant as humor)
No problem!
I was just joking too.
It takes only a couple of pieces to cure that....
I think those "couple of pieces" are pretty expensive if you obtain them legally, and even more expensive if you don't.
Which are you talking about?
Legal.....please. it only illegal if you get caught!!!!!!! (Before the red flags start flying, this was meant as humor)
No problem!
I was just joking too.
tactical assault
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I'm new here so since my sense of humor is not all that known. I knew you were joking, but I also was not looking for a black pajamas party from the feds who thought I ws not.
Coyotejunki
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I hear that legal M16's are a great investment nowadays. Gone up from about $16,000 each to over $24,000 in a couple of years.
tactical assault
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Laterly I have seen nfa stuff at a bargen price (if that what you want to call it). For now I think machine gun are petty static in price and have been for about a year. If you bought a couple 15 years ago for for $1200, then you would be rolling in it. When my old man walked me into a gun store for the first time for my first shotgun ( a ithica mod.37 ) I was a happy kid. I remember ar15 for for $500 and m16 for $1000. I also remember sitting on a pallet stacked with browning 1919 for $1100 and tell dad " how about one of theses." Well.... at 10 years old I got the shotgun not the belt fed machine gun. If I only knew then.
Widow maker 223
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The M16 i played with was baught in 1981 for 250$!!!!!!!! Wish i had a truck load at that price. The guy said he turned down $30,000 for it.