Hate to be this guy!!!
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Joel Hughes
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Oops! Possibly an expensive oversite.
greyghostt
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Lesson never hunt on a ranch that has a upper limit! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
to my knowlege they were on a cull hunt,minimun rack size,they were there to shoot of some srubs, those ranches have a trophy fee,like a big ten point may cost 4500 min,,,then anything over that they impose a trophy fee according to the size of the buck,,that could be a 6000,to 10,000 dollor deer there, that crazy assed texan done himself in,,,lmao ps,,i am sure that, that ranch didnt want that buck eliminated from there gene pool,,, 
fooge, is correct...they were on a management hunt which means they should only take bucks with a certain amount of points, say 8, or bucks that are way past their prime. The buck that was shot was probably a breeder buck that the ranch wanted to keep around the gene pool. I would not be supprised if that buck cost him $10-20,000.00 dollars. A very costly mistake, he will probably not be allowed back to hunt. Not only that but I would not be supprised if the ranch kept the buck. Down here these type of ranches take deer hunting very, very seriously, you dont just shoot whatever you want, you shoot the buck that is pointed out to you and that is all. I would hate to explain that one to his wife!! Deer of that quality are a dime a dozen on big game managed ranches, and people will pay 10-20,000.00 to fly down sit in a blind for a hunt and shoot one, then catch a flight back home that same night, its all about convience (if you can afford it).
Mr. Mister
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So what happens legally if this guy doesn't pay such a crazy fee for that deer?
I understand he screwed up and should be held responsible but draining a family’s savings over a deer seems pretty harsh to me.
Imagine going up to the little lady and saying “sorry babe, Johnnies college fund just went to a deer I mistakenly shot”. Odds are he’d be as dead as the deer.
Besides, I thought everything is BIG IN TEXAS! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Steve
I understand he screwed up and should be held responsible but draining a family’s savings over a deer seems pretty harsh to me.
Imagine going up to the little lady and saying “sorry babe, Johnnies college fund just went to a deer I mistakenly shot”. Odds are he’d be as dead as the deer.
Besides, I thought everything is BIG IN TEXAS! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Steve
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I don't really feel sorry for the guy. He knew the rules and he chose to break them. Everyone could see how dark it was in the video and he made a comment that he shot just a little over 2 minutes prior to them finding him. In my opinion he had no business shooting at this deer or at any deer at that time of day.
We all make choices from the time we get up in the morning to the time we go to bed. He made SEVERAL bad ones to get him into that situation.
1) He's on a cull hunt and yet it sounds like he got buck fever.
2) He's on a cull hunt and was ordered to shoot a specific size. It was so dark he couldn't see the deer? Again, he had no business even shooting.
3) He was lying is ass off from the start. He says many times that it may be a "better" one than the 8 pointer. He says he just freaked. He says he wasn't even looking at the rack.
We all make choices from the time we get up in the morning to the time we go to bed. He made SEVERAL bad ones to get him into that situation.
1) He's on a cull hunt and yet it sounds like he got buck fever.
2) He's on a cull hunt and was ordered to shoot a specific size. It was so dark he couldn't see the deer? Again, he had no business even shooting.
3) He was lying is ass off from the start. He says many times that it may be a "better" one than the 8 pointer. He says he just freaked. He says he wasn't even looking at the rack.
Okay, I just got the clip reformated in an email and was able to view it. Now I'm on the same page here.
After viewing the tape I just have to wonder if I am the only person that sees this hunter WREAKS of guilt when they pull up on him. I mean, he was convicted before they opened the truck doors. I'm sure I am no better at reading people than the next guy so surely it's obvious to everyone that he knows he has done wrong.
My guess is he had already walked down and looked at the deer and was thinking up a story when they got to him. Here is the beginning dialogue...
What'd ya shoot?
"Man, Jimmy I hope I didn't mess up man"
What'd ya shoot? You shot the tight horned 8 right?
"Well... Well I thought... I think. It has gotten dark but I swear... it was pretty good.. I mean it was... I thought it was a little bigger than the deer we thought yesterday. I don't know man, I got a blood trail right here if you guys wanna get out and help me find him man but I hope I didn't mess up"
Notice he keeps talking in past tense there? He already knows it's wrong... either he knew in the scope or he walked up and found out for himself but he is already justifying what HAS BEEN DONE.
Then listen and watch his reaction to walking up on the deer....
"Here he is right here, I knew I hit him. Uh oh"
That was the first sentence he had put together without a quiver in his voice.
I don't hold anything against Jimmy for driving off and leaving the dip**** and his buddies while he cooled off. It appears a couple of them understood how serious the situation was and the others were probably too slap happy drunk to care.
The one guy said "I've known Jimmy a lot of years and never seen that" so that tells you this isn't an everyday occurance. If I were in his shoes I'm afraid I would've reacted the same way or worse... I know the sinking feeling of "Well... I hit a good one" when you are guiding a hunt.
The difference in what that guy paid for and what he got is probably something like $3,000 paid and he made an $8,000 kill. Depending on how well the ranch was setup that deer may have been more or less important... to some ranches it's just a matter of the hunter writing another check. To others it means their does aren't going to get bread that winter with supreme genetics and it could affect their hunting for seasons to come.
I'm WAY on the guide's side here. This hunter is a dip**** and he knew he had done wrong. I would go out on a limb and say he's the kinda guy that tries to weasel out on the trophy fees and guide tips as well... even before he takes a deer he knows he is't hunting.
After viewing the tape I just have to wonder if I am the only person that sees this hunter WREAKS of guilt when they pull up on him. I mean, he was convicted before they opened the truck doors. I'm sure I am no better at reading people than the next guy so surely it's obvious to everyone that he knows he has done wrong.
My guess is he had already walked down and looked at the deer and was thinking up a story when they got to him. Here is the beginning dialogue...
What'd ya shoot?
"Man, Jimmy I hope I didn't mess up man"
What'd ya shoot? You shot the tight horned 8 right?
"Well... Well I thought... I think. It has gotten dark but I swear... it was pretty good.. I mean it was... I thought it was a little bigger than the deer we thought yesterday. I don't know man, I got a blood trail right here if you guys wanna get out and help me find him man but I hope I didn't mess up"
Notice he keeps talking in past tense there? He already knows it's wrong... either he knew in the scope or he walked up and found out for himself but he is already justifying what HAS BEEN DONE.
Then listen and watch his reaction to walking up on the deer....
"Here he is right here, I knew I hit him. Uh oh"
That was the first sentence he had put together without a quiver in his voice.
I don't hold anything against Jimmy for driving off and leaving the dip**** and his buddies while he cooled off. It appears a couple of them understood how serious the situation was and the others were probably too slap happy drunk to care.
The one guy said "I've known Jimmy a lot of years and never seen that" so that tells you this isn't an everyday occurance. If I were in his shoes I'm afraid I would've reacted the same way or worse... I know the sinking feeling of "Well... I hit a good one" when you are guiding a hunt.
The difference in what that guy paid for and what he got is probably something like $3,000 paid and he made an $8,000 kill. Depending on how well the ranch was setup that deer may have been more or less important... to some ranches it's just a matter of the hunter writing another check. To others it means their does aren't going to get bread that winter with supreme genetics and it could affect their hunting for seasons to come.
I'm WAY on the guide's side here. This hunter is a dip**** and he knew he had done wrong. I would go out on a limb and say he's the kinda guy that tries to weasel out on the trophy fees and guide tips as well... even before he takes a deer he knows he is't hunting.
It's hearsay, but I heard it cost him $12,000. There ain't no deer worth $12,000 in my opion.
That is one of the things that is wrong with hunting today, and will be one of the main reasons for its' decline.
Just too many people getting priced out of hunting. I mean, to kill a buck like that, and then have to feel like crap? Something's wrong with that picture.
That is one of the things that is wrong with hunting today, and will be one of the main reasons for its' decline.
Just too many people getting priced out of hunting. I mean, to kill a buck like that, and then have to feel like crap? Something's wrong with that picture.
There is still plenty of public land to hunt on around the country. These hunters want to increase their odds of taking a trophy animal, weather it be a mediocre 140" deer (That are hard to find on public land) or a monster 180" that rarely exist on public land. Being "priced out of hunting" is no excuse... if you want to play with the big boys you pay the big money.
I've never paid for a hunt and I've taken some trophies... I've spent my fair share on guns, bows, treestands, camo and other items but I hold nobody else responsible. Cabelas, Realtree, Remington and Tecamonte Seed Ranch are not the imminant death of hunting... they are helping sustain it's life in todays world. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
You hear a lot of complaints about money and politics being involved in hunting these days... well... welcome to America 2004. If you can find something that isn't political or monitary in todays society it's probably illegal. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Oh, I believe the $12,000 price figure. It is all relative to the operation that housed the deer... if bucks that size were a dime a dozen you could get one cheaper, otherwise it would cost more. If he paid that much those bucks were pretty rare around those parts... thus the attitude the rancher gave him after he shot it. I'm sure he'd rather have that buck walking around breeding does than have the extra change in his pocket. It takes a long time to control a hurd for Quality Deer Management. It's hard to keep poachers out, it'd really piss you off to take one hunting like that!
I've never paid for a hunt and I've taken some trophies... I've spent my fair share on guns, bows, treestands, camo and other items but I hold nobody else responsible. Cabelas, Realtree, Remington and Tecamonte Seed Ranch are not the imminant death of hunting... they are helping sustain it's life in todays world. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
You hear a lot of complaints about money and politics being involved in hunting these days... well... welcome to America 2004. If you can find something that isn't political or monitary in todays society it's probably illegal. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
EDIT:
Oh, I believe the $12,000 price figure. It is all relative to the operation that housed the deer... if bucks that size were a dime a dozen you could get one cheaper, otherwise it would cost more. If he paid that much those bucks were pretty rare around those parts... thus the attitude the rancher gave him after he shot it. I'm sure he'd rather have that buck walking around breeding does than have the extra change in his pocket. It takes a long time to control a hurd for Quality Deer Management. It's hard to keep poachers out, it'd really piss you off to take one hunting like that!
Tommy Johnson
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I kinda dont like it, but in a way its all supply and demand.
Texas being 90 some odd percent privately owned is where most guys dont see the correlation between high priced deer and a rancher having to keep the bank off of his back. Someone has say 3 million tied up in property and has to ballance his books year in year out between leasing out all the parts he can, to the likes of cattle raising, oil production, deer hunters, bird hunters, etc. Public land is not that way. NM has the crappiest state roads a guy could drive down. The county ones are far worse. But if you look around your driving through millions of acres of state owned country. NM cant pave highways by owning itsself.
Its all basic economics, and Texas is a unique state.
Texas being 90 some odd percent privately owned is where most guys dont see the correlation between high priced deer and a rancher having to keep the bank off of his back. Someone has say 3 million tied up in property and has to ballance his books year in year out between leasing out all the parts he can, to the likes of cattle raising, oil production, deer hunters, bird hunters, etc. Public land is not that way. NM has the crappiest state roads a guy could drive down. The county ones are far worse. But if you look around your driving through millions of acres of state owned country. NM cant pave highways by owning itsself.
Its all basic economics, and Texas is a unique state.