Complained to game commission
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Beagler: So why the EFF am I paying that extra $25.00?
That extra $25 is a license to take an animal as outlined by the game commission plain and simple. It is not a license to gain any access, implied or explicit to any land either public or private.
This is false. Each part of that fee goes to different things. It is not ONLY for the taking of an animal. In fact, alot of the fees are now seperate so that they can utilize more money for each animal. So much of the fee goes to land management, so much goes to research causes etc. We are not paying just to take animals, we actually pay to maintain the game lands too.
So, I pay
$20 for a hunting license,
$20 for a furtakers license,
$16 for a bear tag,
$6 for a doe tag,
$21 for a gobbler license,
$25 for Elk,
Total of $108 and that does not even include archery or muzzleloader, which you add another $27.
So, I pay for the management of the land, I pay for research of the animals, I pay for restocking animals and everything else they do. NOt to mention, I also pay for the management of shooting ranges too, so people can come down their with their assault rifles and butcher up everything in just an hour of use.
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Beagler: So why the EFF am I paying that extra $25.00?
That extra $25 is a license to take an animal as outlined by the game commission plain and simple. It is not a license to gain any access, implied or explicit to any land either public or private.
This is false. Each part of that fee goes to different things. It is not ONLY for the taking of an animal. In fact, alot of the fees are now seperate so that they can utilize more money for each animal. So much of the fee goes to land management, so much goes to research causes etc. We are not paying just to take animals, we actually pay to maintain the game lands too.
So, I pay
$20 for a hunting license,
$20 for a furtakers license,
$16 for a bear tag,
$6 for a doe tag,
$21 for a gobbler license,
$25 for Elk,
Total of $108 and that does not even include archery or muzzleloader, which you add another $27.
So, I pay for the management of the land, I pay for research of the animals, I pay for restocking animals and everything else they do. NOt to mention, I also pay for the management of shooting ranges too, so people can come down their with their assault rifles and butcher up everything in just an hour of use.
Jeremiah_Johnson
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just some food for thought. yes it is considered public property. but lets say a group of 100 hunters got together and bought 1000 acres for a lease. and some of the hunters had noticed hikers dog walkers and such walking the trails on their property. what happens. you boot them off. is it any different here. it is only scaled up by a large amount. a portion of the monies collected in the liscense sales goes to SGL management. we have a gun range on the one beside my house. everynow and then you get up there and you find the place to be vandalized. so the PGC fixes it. with the money that was collected from hunting lisecenses. most of the time the vandals are not hunters but idiots from town that feel the need to shoot something. on a side note the only time I hunt public land for fox is at night around the hours of midnight on. mainly because no one should be in the SGLS unless hunting. get out and get some private land to hunt. get out looking for land as soon as the season ends.
slugger
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Beagler: So why the EFF am I paying that extra $25.00?
That extra $25 is a license to take an animal as outlined by the game commission plain and simple. It is not a license to gain any access, implied or explicit to any land either public or private.
This is false. Each part of that fee goes to different things. It is not ONLY for the taking of an animal. In fact, alot of the fees are now seperate so that they can utilize more money for each animal. So much of the fee goes to land management, so much goes to research causes etc. We are not paying just to take animals, we actually pay to maintain the game lands too.
So, I pay
$20 for a hunting license,
$20 for a furtakers license,
$16 for a bear tag,
$6 for a doe tag,
$21 for a gobbler license,
$25 for Elk,
Total of $108 and that does not even include archery or muzzleloader, which you add another $27.
So, I pay for the management of the land, I pay for research of the animals, I pay for restocking animals and everything else they do. NOt to mention, I also pay for the management of shooting ranges too, so people can come down their with their assault rifles and butcher up everything in just an hour of use.
Irregardless of "where" the money goes or is spent this license or fee does not guarantee any access. You choose to use it on public ground. If it were the other way you would not be required to purchase the same set of licenses on private ground.
I don't understand why it's so hard to understand, this is PUBLIC ground pure and simple. While you may not like it and you may have had some hunts ruined because of it, deal with it. I have to deal with it every year elk hunting on public ground. I hike my arse off to get to a remote area, sit down, and watch the out of state hunter drive by on their damn ATV's!!! There is NO DIFFERENCE!
The public ground is there for the PUBLIC to enjoy, not a guarantee for any one sect of the public.
If public ground is closed to ANY one sector of the public, it will only be a matter of time before it is closed to ALL public use and we all can just ship our hunting supplies to the rich, since they will have all of the private land gobbled up.
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Beagler: So why the EFF am I paying that extra $25.00?
That extra $25 is a license to take an animal as outlined by the game commission plain and simple. It is not a license to gain any access, implied or explicit to any land either public or private.
This is false. Each part of that fee goes to different things. It is not ONLY for the taking of an animal. In fact, alot of the fees are now seperate so that they can utilize more money for each animal. So much of the fee goes to land management, so much goes to research causes etc. We are not paying just to take animals, we actually pay to maintain the game lands too.
So, I pay
$20 for a hunting license,
$20 for a furtakers license,
$16 for a bear tag,
$6 for a doe tag,
$21 for a gobbler license,
$25 for Elk,
Total of $108 and that does not even include archery or muzzleloader, which you add another $27.
So, I pay for the management of the land, I pay for research of the animals, I pay for restocking animals and everything else they do. NOt to mention, I also pay for the management of shooting ranges too, so people can come down their with their assault rifles and butcher up everything in just an hour of use.
Irregardless of "where" the money goes or is spent this license or fee does not guarantee any access. You choose to use it on public ground. If it were the other way you would not be required to purchase the same set of licenses on private ground.
I don't understand why it's so hard to understand, this is PUBLIC ground pure and simple. While you may not like it and you may have had some hunts ruined because of it, deal with it. I have to deal with it every year elk hunting on public ground. I hike my arse off to get to a remote area, sit down, and watch the out of state hunter drive by on their damn ATV's!!! There is NO DIFFERENCE!
The public ground is there for the PUBLIC to enjoy, not a guarantee for any one sect of the public.
If public ground is closed to ANY one sector of the public, it will only be a matter of time before it is closed to ALL public use and we all can just ship our hunting supplies to the rich, since they will have all of the private land gobbled up.
Jay Nistetter
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I've had other hunters walk up on me and also am guilty of same. There have been times when I shut down the truck in the middle of the road because I noticed some hunter putting a stalk on a deer, elk or Javelina.
Even though hunters contribute to most so that all can enjoy the Great Outdoors, it is still everyone's land.
One law in AZ that is nice but never enforced that I ever heard is that State Trust land can only be entered by a person in posession of a valid hunting license. This has probably turned many people away but not all.
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Just because some bowhunter is in a tree stand doesn't mean he owns everything within bow range, likewise the ranchers who lease grazing rights and maintain waterholes and fences doesn't mean the land is theirs. Some believe it though. There are laws in most states against knowingly interrupting a hunt and harassing a hunter. I will add also that Game and Fish Officers on patrol have interrupted me more than once.
Even though hunters contribute to most so that all can enjoy the Great Outdoors, it is still everyone's land.
One law in AZ that is nice but never enforced that I ever heard is that State Trust land can only be entered by a person in posession of a valid hunting license. This has probably turned many people away but not all.
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Just because some bowhunter is in a tree stand doesn't mean he owns everything within bow range, likewise the ranchers who lease grazing rights and maintain waterholes and fences doesn't mean the land is theirs. Some believe it though. There are laws in most states against knowingly interrupting a hunt and harassing a hunter. I will add also that Game and Fish Officers on patrol have interrupted me more than once.
ETxKyle
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One law in AZ that is nice but never enforced that I ever heard is that State Trust land can only be entered by a person in posession of a valid hunting license. This has probably turned many people away but not all.
I like that one. Wish there were more of them. And that they enforced them.
One law in AZ that is nice but never enforced that I ever heard is that State Trust land can only be entered by a person in posession of a valid hunting license. This has probably turned many people away but not all.
I like that one. Wish there were more of them. And that they enforced them.
OldTurtle
Moderator - Deceased
In the Fall, before deer season, I get interferred with all the time by bird and rabbit hunters, especially on the weekends and usually stay home then. They are legally there just as much as I am.... Generally I let them know I'm there as I don't want them to accidently shoot in my direction. Maybe folks are just friendlier around here...
We do have some of the more liberal fringe groups around the Univ. of MO, about 20 miles away, but I think they are afraid to tangle with the rednecks out in the woods....
Since no motorized vehicles are allowed off-road on the public land around here, that is not a problem. Private property is pretty well controlled as well. I've never encountered what I would define as harrassment.
We do have some of the more liberal fringe groups around the Univ. of MO, about 20 miles away, but I think they are afraid to tangle with the rednecks out in the woods....
Since no motorized vehicles are allowed off-road on the public land around here, that is not a problem. Private property is pretty well controlled as well. I've never encountered what I would define as harrassment.
i was harassed 1 time,by an outfitter that didnt want jhon public hunting on "his spot",he hiked into this small piece of public land twice in one day to scout and harass us,then at the end of the day we saw him dropping off his clients at the far end of the section as we were walking out,again he appraoched us and asked us if we knew how close we were to being on private land and he knew the owner and would call him if he saw us ect.ect.We called the local warden and gave the name of his outfit(he wouldnt give me his name even after i offered mine)because it was getting close to turning physical,the warden told us he had the same right to be there as we did and unless we had a neutral witness it would be our word against his and nothing he could do.....typical beuracrat awnser.This guy even went so far as to post signs on this piece of state land that looked like F&G signs that said you HAD TO HAVE a gps to enter this section of land because the borders were not posted,I know its illegal to post public land in this way.He was doing everything in his power to keep the locals away while he ran his joke of an outfiiter buisness on a couple small pieces of state land along the county road.I was hoping I would see him again this year but I guess he relocated,i talked to a local up there this year that said he had been doing this crap for years and had the warden called on him several times with no penalty.So my one true harassment story involved not an anti but a guy trying to make a buck off running of the local hunters,I really hope i see this guy again.
BRADFORDcoHUNTER
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Look....I'm not 100% certain how this topic got going in this particular direction. I'm not opposed to the general public having access to PA's SGL's. What I am opposed to, is having ignorant, uncourteous people, whos MAIN purpose for roaming SGL's, is simply to make life miserable for hunter's. Believe me, many exist. They are just too cowardly to be open about their agenda, so they go in disguise as "regular people," out for a hike, etc.
To be totally honest, where I hunt public land, it is quite remote. I don't worry about seeing these type of people in my spots...they wouldn't last very long there. But I do feel for those who arent as fortunate and don't have the means to get far enough away from the "rat race."
I dealt with these type of people for a LONG time, here in Philadelphia. There were little lot's and bit's n pieces of very small woods to bow hunt here and there, through out the city. Much of it was within sight of peoples houses and the like, but was 100% legal to bow hunt in. Well apparently, people don't like hunting in "they're" patch of woods..woods they don't even own, but because it connects to their property, they feel they have the right to run you out or call the cops, etc.
I have even had people ILLEGALLY post land that was not their own land, in an attempt to keep hunter's out. These people will walk up to you and disturb you by telling you there is no hunting in Philadelphia or you are hunting on park property, etc. It just got to a point where I began to actually "sneak hunt" because I just didn't feel like dealing with the BS. I'd go covert, and do my best to get in and out of the woods so people didnt see me in camo or see me carrying a bow, etc.
It was just easier to dress in the woods, hide and leave my bow buried there for the next day, etc. These are the types of people I dispise. They are the ones who feel the need to not only act as if they own the land adjacent to their own homes, but everyone elses' too. But hey, such is life! They do what they feel is necessary, and so will I.
Again, I don't worry about it per se. If I have an issue, I'll deal with it the best way I know how...head on!
To be totally honest, where I hunt public land, it is quite remote. I don't worry about seeing these type of people in my spots...they wouldn't last very long there. But I do feel for those who arent as fortunate and don't have the means to get far enough away from the "rat race."
I dealt with these type of people for a LONG time, here in Philadelphia. There were little lot's and bit's n pieces of very small woods to bow hunt here and there, through out the city. Much of it was within sight of peoples houses and the like, but was 100% legal to bow hunt in. Well apparently, people don't like hunting in "they're" patch of woods..woods they don't even own, but because it connects to their property, they feel they have the right to run you out or call the cops, etc.
I have even had people ILLEGALLY post land that was not their own land, in an attempt to keep hunter's out. These people will walk up to you and disturb you by telling you there is no hunting in Philadelphia or you are hunting on park property, etc. It just got to a point where I began to actually "sneak hunt" because I just didn't feel like dealing with the BS. I'd go covert, and do my best to get in and out of the woods so people didnt see me in camo or see me carrying a bow, etc.
It was just easier to dress in the woods, hide and leave my bow buried there for the next day, etc. These are the types of people I dispise. They are the ones who feel the need to not only act as if they own the land adjacent to their own homes, but everyone elses' too. But hey, such is life! They do what they feel is necessary, and so will I.
Again, I don't worry about it per se. If I have an issue, I'll deal with it the best way I know how...head on!
wachtelhund1
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Wachte you should ahve just turned it all the way up and zapped the hell out of her.
Ah, I had more fun getting in her face and making her pee herself.
This had nothing to do with hunter harssment, just a liberal taking my dog's E-collar off the dog. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Wachte you should ahve just turned it all the way up and zapped the hell out of her.
Ah, I had more fun getting in her face and making her pee herself.
This had nothing to do with hunter harssment, just a liberal taking my dog's E-collar off the dog. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif