Coyotes adapting ?????

derbyacresbob said:
I would find ranches that don't allow other guys to call coyotes during the day or night.
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If I know a ranch is already being called by someone else, I don’t try to get access and I won’t hunt it—even if the opportunity is there. On places I’ve already been calling, if I find out someone else has started hitting it too, I’ll go out and bomb it.

I’ve got ground close to the house that I call with that scenario, and I’m not nearly as picky with my setups there as far as worrying about them getting my wind. Those areas aren’t as productive, but I still call some in.
 
Infidel 762 said:
If I know a ranch is already being called by someone else, I don’t try to get access and I won’t hunt it—even if the opportunity is there. On places I’ve already been calling, if I find out someone else has started hitting it too, I’ll go out and bomb it.

I’ve got ground close to the house that I call with that scenario, and I’m not nearly as picky with my setups there as far as worrying about them getting my wind. Those areas aren’t as productive, but I still call some in.
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I like that you would respect someone else having access to it , most wouldn't do that . They would call it anyway. Anyways I was just interested in seeing if coyotes were hunting more in the day, now that night hunting has blown up . If they are that is better for me lol but I don't want to bash the night hunting. I get how guys love it . Im on the same team for all pro hunting. Its a new game out here now with it being so popular. All we can do is arm ourselves with Intel to be successful no matter when we hunt .
 
PanhandlePredators44 said:
I like that you would respect someone else having access to it , most wouldn't do that . They would call it anyway. Anyways I was just interested in seeing if coyotes were hunting more in the day, now that night hunting has blown up . If they are that is better for me lol but I don't want to bash the night hunting. I get how guys love it . Im on the same team for all pro hunting. Its a new game out here now with it being so popular. All we can do is arm ourselves with Intel to be successful no matter when we hunt .
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No, I don’t think night hunting has enough consistent exposure across the landscape to shift coyotes’ feeding times in a meaningful way. Coyotes are extremely adaptable, but their activity is still driven more by food availability, weather, breeding season, and human pressure in general—not just night calling.

If a certain block of ground becomes “hot” and starts feeling dangerous, they don’t usually change their biology—they shift location, travel routes, and how they use cover. What I do think happens is they get more call shy, and they’re just as hard—if not harder—to call in daylight afterward.
 
bohunr said:
this phenomenon appears to be extremely wide spread this season. areas we know that have coyotes seem like they are extinct and have never been there. the type of weather doesnt seem to matter either.
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Same for me in MI this year. Worst season I've had since I hunted with lights.
KLS said:
If folks wish to hunt they need to manage the resource.
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Most of my permission comes from folks that don't want coyotes around their property. I kill what I can and let them know when I'm successful so they know I'm doing what I told them I'd do.
Rhett Steele said:
Now, multiple thermal guys out there, hunting the same properties I hunt. Hunting places with the wrong wind.
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This is a huge problem. Land owners just want coyotes killed. They give out permission to multiple hunters and it makes it super tough. The only big complaint I have is when another hunter attempts to get permission on ground they know is being hunted by someone else. No etiquette IMO. I personally don't want to be in a section that someone else has permission on.
 
Everyone has permission to hunt everywhere I do. I think thermal is more popular and that there are more guys doing it than there used to be out lamping at night. By Oct. of any given year, I just have to take it for granted someone else has been calling the same places as me, both day and night.

- DAA
 
YoteslayerWA said:
Everyone is going to defend their craft or method of hunting. What I can say is I am not seeing anywhere near the number of coyotes now as compared to what I have the last 5 years before thermal hunting has become so popular.

I do believe thermal has its place and I by no means am I against it. But I do believe it has affected the hunting during the daytime.
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This is times 2 for me. I used to have a great time calling during the day but if I don't call a coyote in at least once this year it will be the second year in a row that I haven't had a response. My friends that run thermals are also telling me that they are getting coyotes to come to the call but not as close to them as they used to. Hanging up outside a lot further than when they started calling years ago.
 
rivervalley said:
My friends that run thermals are also telling me that they are getting coyotes to come to the call but not as close to them as they used to. Hanging up outside a lot further than when they started calling years ago.
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Interesting you mention that. This has happened to me twice this season. The only difference in my set up is I run my X24 on a small tri-pod now. I just assumed they just saw something they didn't like :unsure:
 
wolverines said:
The only difference in my set up is I run my X24 on a small tri-pod now. I just assumed they just saw something they didn't like :unsure:
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I do the same with mine too! And somewhere here saw a pic from someone that wrapped theirs with faux fur! I just bought some off Amazon and will clad it in that in an effort to avoid what you are finding with yours.
 
bohunr said:
what we need is a hollow foldable coyote decoy, like the old turkey decoys. make it in a sitting position and put the call inside.

that way when a coyoe comes in and sees the decoy and hears a coyote, it should come right in. a little coyote urine might help.
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I’ve never had much faith in a coyote decoy being very effective, because I don’t think they’re even picking it up—let alone recognizing it as another coyote—from any distance that makes it worthwhile. Coyotes don’t scan for shapes like we do, they key in on motion first. That’s why a hunter can sit dead still on a stool and have coyotes come in close without spooking. Little motion decoys get their attention for one reason: movement. A motionless “coyote” out there is usually just another lump in the landscape.
 
Rhett Steele said:
When I first got a thermal scope, I was the only one around. It was awesome, I was seeing coyotes and killing them. I too had permission on multiple farms, sole permission.

Now, multiple thermal guys out there, hunting the same properties I hunt. Hunting places with the wrong wind.

It sucks. Lucky to see a coyote now.
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I have had some land owners that have told me that they have been getting people asking to hunt. I told them to tell them that they already have a hunter that actively hunts and kills coyotes weekly, and then see how they reply. I then told them that if they are a real preditor hunter they will say that they don’t want to hunt behind someone else. If that’s what they say I told them to give them my number and I would at least talk to them. If they still want to hunt, they can piss off.

Lots of people still want to hunt… and I don’t understand why. Go find your own spot with coyotes that haven’t been called.
 
I’m a firm believer that you can “bounce” coyotes when trapping, especially this time of year. Catch one or two and it’s like the rest disappear. I can leave a property and within 3-4 weeks they’re back on cameras. That’s one of the reasons I got into thermal hunting. I can go back to that property when conditions are perfect and call them in and kill them.
 
Infidel 762 said:
I’ve never had much faith in a coyote decoy being very effective, because I don’t think they’re even picking it up—let alone recognizing it as another coyote—from any distance that makes it worthwhile. Coyotes don’t scan for shapes like we do, they key in on motion first. That’s why a hunter can sit dead still on a stool and have coyotes come in close without spooking. Little motion decoys get their attention for one reason: movement. A motionless “coyote” out there is usually just another lump in the landscape.
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I've watched alot of Randy Anderson videos with him using a life size mount decoy and the coyotes definitely are keying in on the decoy coyote .
 
I've used a cloth montana coyote decoy with a spinner laying down in big winter wheat fields in eastern WA. It worked, but was a pain to set up and found lying the decoy across the caller work nearly or as well and much faster to set up.. I think it is still funny lded up here n a box somewhere..
 
YBPS said:
I have had some land owners that have told me that they have been getting people asking to hunt. I told them to tell them that they already have a hunter that actively hunts and kills coyotes weekly, and then see how they reply. I then told them that if they are a real preditor hunter they will say that they don’t want to hunt behind someone else. If that’s what they say I told them to give them my number and I would at least talk to them. If they still want to hunt, they can piss off.

Lots of people still want to hunt… and I don’t understand why. Go find your own spot with coyotes that haven’t been called.
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I always tell my landowners the same thing when I get access (or places I have had access to for years before it became much more popular). I dont like hunting behind someone else or near someone else, especially with the amount of people out there just winging it because they dont want to spend time learning or spend money on gear. I've had a lot more instances this year where I come to a "new" property only to find out that someone has hit it hard recently with little to no success. I had one this year where they had someone calling for 3 hours in the evening before sunset, twice in under a week and shot one with a pistol while the other got away. Took 45 minutes to pull a young mouthy pup from the tree line that was howling back at my call the whole time. Where I am, night time is the best time to get after them just due to the pressure from people in the area, they seem to move mostly at night to avoid the humans because there are not a lot of big farms here, but I have called and killed some in the daytime.

I've tried my best to teach people that are genuinely interested how to do it the right way, but some just refuse to learn. I used to hunt with a guy that admitted he just wanted to "pull the trigger" and refused to call coyotes because it was more difficult than calling in a fox, which are like rats here. He would pick up new properties and hit them every week and refused to understand why I wouldnt go out to call coyotes there with all the pressure, but he couldn't stay off them to let them cool off a bit.

The other issue I've had here are some of the legacy tournament guys that still have permission on properties, but no longer hunt them and wont give them up. Tournaments here are illegal and stopped years ago. Meanwhile we are starting to have more issues with coyotes killing livestock or pressuring the deer and nothing can be done about them because of access issues. We also have a ton of horse farms that are anti hunting, at least until something happens and they have to learn to accept it as necessary.
 
PanhandlePredators44 said:
I wanted to throw this idea or thought out there and see if anyone is experiencing or seeing coyotes behavior change with night hunting. Maybe im crazy but it sure does seem like every tom dick and Harry is getting a thermal and calling coyotes at night . Its not for me but I understand why people like it alot. Anyway has anyone noticed if coyotes are starting to hunt more during day light hours cause of the influx of pressure on them . Just curious 🤔
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Out where I hunt in Nevada i never see anyone. I have yet to ever run into another coyote hunter
 
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