damage coyotes can do
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If you think a pet-killing coyote is a problem, just wait for the public uproar after a few pets are accidently poisoned while targeting coyotes.
Of all the things that can endanger the life of a child, a coyote attack is waaaaay down the list. A domestic dog is a much larger threat to a child than a coyote.
Of all the things that can endanger the life of a child, a coyote attack is waaaaay down the list. A domestic dog is a much larger threat to a child than a coyote.
tgrif
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when I was growing up on a diary farm in KY, we didn't have yotes but did have packs of wild dogs. Myself, my brother and a neighbor up the road had horses that were trained to allow us to shoot off of. we would get down in the river bottoms on our horses and hunt the wild dogs. all we had for guns were a bolt action 16ga, a bolt action 410, and a double barrel 12 ga. we got pretty good at working the actions while riding full bore thru the woods and we killed a slew of them. those dogs were as bad if not worse than yotes when it came to killing calves, sheep, goats, pigs, chickens and anything else they could.
that was our after church relaxation /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
that was our after church relaxation /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I grew up and still spend large amounts of time on a ranch where seeing coyotes is almost a daily occurence. In all those years far more damage to livestock and property was done by free-ranging domestic dogs than coyotes. The neighbor girl had her 4-H sheep killed two years in a row by domestic dogs. Horses have been run through fences and in another case a little yapper killed 50 turkey chicks. This is all recent stuff.
I haven't reaserched this, but I'd be willing to bet that deer do far more damage to personal property than coyotes in the United States each year. It's hard to find a person who hasn't hit a deer with a vehicle or a farmer who doesn't have deer eating his crops. But when a "bloodthirsty" coyote nabs the yapping FeeFee in someone's backyard I get a laugh from the response of the "kill'em all and let God sort'em out" crowd.
I haven't reaserched this, but I'd be willing to bet that deer do far more damage to personal property than coyotes in the United States each year. It's hard to find a person who hasn't hit a deer with a vehicle or a farmer who doesn't have deer eating his crops. But when a "bloodthirsty" coyote nabs the yapping FeeFee in someone's backyard I get a laugh from the response of the "kill'em all and let God sort'em out" crowd.
rockinbbar
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I still say poison them. so what you get a few pet dogs and cats. better then them attacking a child playing in someones yard.
With action comes responsibility.
The above is not responsible in any way.
Poisoning of predators is highly regulated and done by qualified govt. employees that are trained to minimize the collateral damage and environmental impact.
To willfully cast poison out so that pets, or prhaps even kids can come into contact with it is not only illegal, it's reprehensible. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
With some poisons used in an illegal fashion, it not only kills the coyote, but it kills anything that touches it, and anything that eats what died of it, and anything that eats THAT animal as well. The impact of such activity stays in an area for a long time....
A bird affected by such poison may fly and die in someone's yard to be eaten by a pet, which ultimately suffers the same fate.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
We need to think things through before we suggest something....While coyotes may pose a danger to kids in certain situations, the effects of poisoning can be just as real, and perhaps even more dangerous.
Something to think about. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Barry
I still say poison them. so what you get a few pet dogs and cats. better then them attacking a child playing in someones yard.
With action comes responsibility.
The above is not responsible in any way.
Poisoning of predators is highly regulated and done by qualified govt. employees that are trained to minimize the collateral damage and environmental impact.
To willfully cast poison out so that pets, or prhaps even kids can come into contact with it is not only illegal, it's reprehensible. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
With some poisons used in an illegal fashion, it not only kills the coyote, but it kills anything that touches it, and anything that eats what died of it, and anything that eats THAT animal as well. The impact of such activity stays in an area for a long time....
A bird affected by such poison may fly and die in someone's yard to be eaten by a pet, which ultimately suffers the same fate.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
We need to think things through before we suggest something....While coyotes may pose a danger to kids in certain situations, the effects of poisoning can be just as real, and perhaps even more dangerous.
Something to think about. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Barry
Timberbeast7
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done by qualified govt. employees that are trained to minimize the collateral damage and environmental impact.
Don't want to hurt any egos....but this made me laugh. An oxymoron if I've ever seen one! (qualified govt. employee) The govt. has quite the track record in minimizing collateral damage and environmental impacts...
done by qualified govt. employees that are trained to minimize the collateral damage and environmental impact.
Don't want to hurt any egos....but this made me laugh. An oxymoron if I've ever seen one! (qualified govt. employee) The govt. has quite the track record in minimizing collateral damage and environmental impacts...
Chapped Lips
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not to dismiss anyone's opinion or story....this is just my opinion....coyotes are just doing what's in their genetics.....they're just being a wild critter....even a pet dog can revert back....i try to hunt coyotes pitting myself against their ability to survive....even if a landowner asks me to try to dispatch one thats doing damage, i hav no vendetta against the animal....i don't make it personal....i wud feel this way even if i lost a pet (honestly)....they're only doing what instinct drives'em to do.
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Chapped Lips
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bullwhip....you started this discussion on coyote damage....have you given any thought to the damage that indiscriminate poisoning wud do....maybe a thread entitled "damage by bullwhip" might get ya to thinkin.....no hackles raised here.
WyoYote
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Hmmm, here's a possible scenario:
- Bullwhip sets out poison
- Bullwhip accidently poisons chukar hunter's prized bird dog
- Bullwhip thinks "no big deal" so what if bird dog is poisoned...collateral damage, right?!...no biggie
- Bullwhip then gets severely bullwhipped by said owner of prized bird dog
- Bullwhip sets out poison
- Bullwhip accidently poisons chukar hunter's prized bird dog
- Bullwhip thinks "no big deal" so what if bird dog is poisoned...collateral damage, right?!...no biggie
- Bullwhip then gets severely bullwhipped by said owner of prized bird dog
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done by qualified govt. employees that are trained to minimize the collateral damage and environmental impact.
Don't want to hurt any egos....but this made me laugh. An oxymoron if I've ever seen one! (qualified govt. employee) The govt. has quite the track record in minimizing collateral damage and environmental impacts...
Qualified government employee-USDA Wildlife Services-
Firefighters--Police--US Armed Forces--Coast Guard-- numerous others that might take offense to your implications
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done by qualified govt. employees that are trained to minimize the collateral damage and environmental impact.
Don't want to hurt any egos....but this made me laugh. An oxymoron if I've ever seen one! (qualified govt. employee) The govt. has quite the track record in minimizing collateral damage and environmental impacts...
Qualified government employee-USDA Wildlife Services-
Firefighters--Police--US Armed Forces--Coast Guard-- numerous others that might take offense to your implications
Timberbeast7
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Qualified government employee-USDA Wildlife Services-
Firefighters--Police--US Armed Forces--Coast Guard-- numerous others that might take offense to your implications
Evidently you're a 'qualified govt. employee'. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Armed Forces personel, firefighters, and police are obviously not who I was talking about and don't even pertain to the subject or conversation, so I think you are just trying to make a stink. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif (although I have my doubts about a lot of police) As far as the USDA Wildlife services...give me a break. Yes, the great and wise Forest Service, Park Service, BLM, Fish and Wildlife...all responsible for inumerable management tragedies and clusters. So, if they take offense its because they know they deserve the criticism. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Qualified government employee-USDA Wildlife Services-
Firefighters--Police--US Armed Forces--Coast Guard-- numerous others that might take offense to your implications
Evidently you're a 'qualified govt. employee'. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Armed Forces personel, firefighters, and police are obviously not who I was talking about and don't even pertain to the subject or conversation, so I think you are just trying to make a stink. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif (although I have my doubts about a lot of police) As far as the USDA Wildlife services...give me a break. Yes, the great and wise Forest Service, Park Service, BLM, Fish and Wildlife...all responsible for inumerable management tragedies and clusters. So, if they take offense its because they know they deserve the criticism. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
I don't think I did make the point that I intended to. The people on the ground that do the tasks required(wildlife services)are trained to effectivly and safely use different methods of control. They have to assess the need, the environment, the location, and the social implications per each individual case. Most of these people that I have been around are truly good at their job.
The dissapointments for me is the political protocols they also have to respect.
Personally, I have been self employed my adult life.
The dissapointments for me is the political protocols they also have to respect.
Personally, I have been self employed my adult life.
Below, coyote vs coon. This is the 4th dead coon I've seen killed by a coyote or coyotes. This coon was caught by the end of a road culvert tube. A short fight took place in the ditch, coon lost. A lone coyote did this. I reckon the coyote was abit hungry as well.
The other dead coons I've seen. Were caught in an open field, by a pr of coyotes each occurance. They didn't eat any of them. But, crunched the coons completely[legs & tail as well]. Coons looked like they went through an old wringer washer. Apparently, they don't like them in their area.
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc78/moreammo/April709coonfood.jpg?t=1247167567
The other dead coons I've seen. Were caught in an open field, by a pr of coyotes each occurance. They didn't eat any of them. But, crunched the coons completely[legs & tail as well]. Coons looked like they went through an old wringer washer. Apparently, they don't like them in their area.
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc78/moreammo/April709coonfood.jpg?t=1247167567
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The worst act of 'predation' we ever had happen was when the neighbors Border-collie cross dog got in our duck pen and killed about 40 of my mom's 2 month old butcher ducks. Ripped the heads off and left them lay.
It died of a a severe allergic reaction to a 150 gr. '06 bullet administered by my dad.
Did you take all 41 bodies to the neighbor's house and dump them?
The worst act of 'predation' we ever had happen was when the neighbors Border-collie cross dog got in our duck pen and killed about 40 of my mom's 2 month old butcher ducks. Ripped the heads off and left them lay.
It died of a a severe allergic reaction to a 150 gr. '06 bullet administered by my dad.
Did you take all 41 bodies to the neighbor's house and dump them?
timb
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The worst act of 'predation' we ever had happen was when the neighbors Border-collie cross dog got in our duck pen and killed about 40 of my mom's 2 month old butcher ducks. Ripped the heads off and left them lay.
It died of a a severe allergic reaction to a 150 gr. '06 bullet administered by my dad.
Did you take all 41 bodies to the neighbor's house and dump them?
Nope--took about another 2 months before he made a fatal mistake and dad dropped the hammer on him....we told the neighbor what he did and he told my dad to shoot him if he saw him...he did.
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The worst act of 'predation' we ever had happen was when the neighbors Border-collie cross dog got in our duck pen and killed about 40 of my mom's 2 month old butcher ducks. Ripped the heads off and left them lay.
It died of a a severe allergic reaction to a 150 gr. '06 bullet administered by my dad.
Did you take all 41 bodies to the neighbor's house and dump them?
Nope--took about another 2 months before he made a fatal mistake and dad dropped the hammer on him....we told the neighbor what he did and he told my dad to shoot him if he saw him...he did.
Aaron_Proffitt
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done by qualified govt. employees that are trained to minimize the collateral damage and environmental impact.
Don't want to hurt any egos....but this made me laugh. An oxymoron if I've ever seen one! (qualified govt. employee) The govt. has quite the track record in minimizing collateral damage and environmental impacts...
The employees are square ... it's the bureuacracy that's a mess.
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done by qualified govt. employees that are trained to minimize the collateral damage and environmental impact.
Don't want to hurt any egos....but this made me laugh. An oxymoron if I've ever seen one! (qualified govt. employee) The govt. has quite the track record in minimizing collateral damage and environmental impacts...
The employees are square ... it's the bureuacracy that's a mess.
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done by qualified govt. employees that are trained to minimize the collateral damage and environmental impact.
Don't want to hurt any egos....but this made me laugh. An oxymoron if I've ever seen one! (qualified govt. employee) The govt. has quite the track record in minimizing collateral damage and environmental impacts...
The employees are square ... it's the bureuacracy that's a mess.
Most of my family are government employees. It's not the people, it's the system. Had a friend on a government contact. He was fresh out of college, and the rules and standards he had to abide to were ridiculous so he said. I am thinking about going government too. Thankfully 5 years in Japan Public School system has taught me all about bureaucracy.
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done by qualified govt. employees that are trained to minimize the collateral damage and environmental impact.
Don't want to hurt any egos....but this made me laugh. An oxymoron if I've ever seen one! (qualified govt. employee) The govt. has quite the track record in minimizing collateral damage and environmental impacts...
The employees are square ... it's the bureuacracy that's a mess.
Most of my family are government employees. It's not the people, it's the system. Had a friend on a government contact. He was fresh out of college, and the rules and standards he had to abide to were ridiculous so he said. I am thinking about going government too. Thankfully 5 years in Japan Public School system has taught me all about bureaucracy.