claimbuster
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Got a LCP about a month ago. Have about 400 rds. through it now and it is fantastic. It has become my warm weather carry gun.
Decent .40 pocket pistol?
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In the real world with modern ammo I don't see much difference in stopping bad guys between the nine and forty.
When my department switched to forty I thought great more power, however over time I wasn't impressed. First thing I noticed beside the increased muzzel flip was a drop in scores at the range. The forty slowed you down on double taps and timed firing. You have a short time to get off your shots and reload and finish shooting. Also I was carring fewer rounds, not a problem for SD but in a urban area thats a real problem. Your up against gangs and multiple targets and a nine just works faster. The other issue was no real difference in street perfomance. The first time we a shooting bad guy hit muliple time in arms and legs was able to run away. Another bad guy hit twice in the leg but was able to drive away. Third time bad guy advancing on officer took several center mass hits kept advancing till he got hit in spine. The point is about the same performance as are old nines. I think if you really want to move up in performance skip the forty and get a forty five. However in a pocket pistol stick with a nine.
Jeepdude1987
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http://www.ruger.com/products/superRedhawk/index.html You'd need a pretty good sized pocket, but it is a "40 cal" you wouldn't have to worry about stopping power!
Really though, I would get a Ruger LCP or LC9. In fact the LC9 is probably going to be my default pocket pistol after I am out of college! At 6'4" they fit my hands better than any small auto-pistol I have handled thus far. I am not really a fan of .380 or any caliber if I can find a similar sized pistol in a larger caliber so that is why I would chose the LC9. I would also look at a small frame revolver since I believe the LC9 is 6+1 or 7+1. I have had difficulties finding a snubby revolver that fits my hand well, or anything else that is small and fits my meat hooks, but I think some aftermarket grips might remedy that problem.
Really though, I would get a Ruger LCP or LC9. In fact the LC9 is probably going to be my default pocket pistol after I am out of college! At 6'4" they fit my hands better than any small auto-pistol I have handled thus far. I am not really a fan of .380 or any caliber if I can find a similar sized pistol in a larger caliber so that is why I would chose the LC9. I would also look at a small frame revolver since I believe the LC9 is 6+1 or 7+1. I have had difficulties finding a snubby revolver that fits my hand well, or anything else that is small and fits my meat hooks, but I think some aftermarket grips might remedy that problem.
NdIndy
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Originally Posted By: The DukeOriginally Posted By: NdIndyI know keltec discontinued the .40 I had because of issues like mine.
I was not even aware they made a .40
P40, it was pretty short lived in production because of the numbers of returns and complaints. The 9mm version did well though.
I was not even aware they made a .40
P40, it was pretty short lived in production because of the numbers of returns and complaints. The 9mm version did well though.
Squeeze
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I have a two tone LCP, that has had about 350 rounds through
it. It runs good, and for an itty bitty pistol, it hits center
mass well at 7 yards. I even practice head shots with it, given
the 380s rep for limited penetration. It is my pocket pistol,
when the Glock 27 can't be hidden.
I have looked at the pocket 9s, and given 17 oz. loaded,
versus 12 oz. loaded for the LCP, I will pocket the LCP.
Besides the LC9, falls off my list because of that silly
safety. I don't WANT no stinking safety on my personal
defense pistol. Just sayin'
Squeeze
Jeepdude1987
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Originally Posted By: Squeeze
Besides the LC9, falls off my list because of that silly
safety. I don't WANT no stinking safety on my personal
defense pistol. Just sayin'Squeeze
I know more than a few folks that would say just the opposite, and most of them are firearms instructors. They would also say that at 350rnds you just started training with your defense pistol. And that muscle memory is what training is for, and a safety on your pistol is something muscle memory will over come.
I can see their point, but I would be more inclined on the whole intense training if I didn't plan on trying to avoid any instance that I needed to use a weapon for defense.
I can also see where you'd not want the saftey as to keep you from drawing with the intent to fire and not hearing the BANG!
I like safeties on weapons because I frequently take inexperienced people to the range to shoot. So, in my experiences they are a good thing to have.
Besides the LC9, falls off my list because of that silly
safety. I don't WANT no stinking safety on my personal
defense pistol. Just sayin'Squeeze
I know more than a few folks that would say just the opposite, and most of them are firearms instructors. They would also say that at 350rnds you just started training with your defense pistol. And that muscle memory is what training is for, and a safety on your pistol is something muscle memory will over come.
I can see their point, but I would be more inclined on the whole intense training if I didn't plan on trying to avoid any instance that I needed to use a weapon for defense.
I can also see where you'd not want the saftey as to keep you from drawing with the intent to fire and not hearing the BANG!
I like safeties on weapons because I frequently take inexperienced people to the range to shoot. So, in my experiences they are a good thing to have.
claimbuster
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Yes, the safety on the LC9 is redundant and was probably engineered that way to make it CA complaint. However, I don't have any problem because I don't use it and it is stiff enough to where I can't accidentally bump it on.
I've been carrying mine everyday for almost six weeks now and have 500 +/- rds. through it. Fantastic carry gun.
Took the LC9, the new EMP and an old friend out to the range today. I had forgotten what a pleasure the old friend is. Haven't had her out in five years or more.
S&W M39-2, 9mm, single stack.
I've been carrying mine everyday for almost six weeks now and have 500 +/- rds. through it. Fantastic carry gun.
Took the LC9, the new EMP and an old friend out to the range today. I had forgotten what a pleasure the old friend is. Haven't had her out in five years or more.
S&W M39-2, 9mm, single stack.
Jeepdude1987
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Not using a safety is a good way to keep from worrying about having one.
OldTurtle
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Quote:The forty slowed you down on double taps and timed firing. You have a short time to get off your shots and reload and finish shooting... I've found the same thing when shooting competition in the GSSF matches where speed on multiple shots is as important as the accuracy factor.. The same holds true at my retired LEO yearly certifications...My overall scores will drop from 97%+ to the lower 90%s, when using a .40, vs 9mm.. The difference is more noticeable as the distance increases and time requirements remains the same..
I'm a big fan of the 10mm (and .40) but there are many times that I will carry a 9mm, or smaller caliber, due to mode of dress and location I will be frequenting...especially if I will be in a reasonably crowded environment..
Selection of a personal carry weapon has to be just that...very personal...One that you leave at home, for any reason, is worthless if needed when you are out in public, even a .25acp is better than nothing if it is dependable and you will train with it, as well as carry it with you..
I'm a big fan of the 10mm (and .40) but there are many times that I will carry a 9mm, or smaller caliber, due to mode of dress and location I will be frequenting...especially if I will be in a reasonably crowded environment..
Selection of a personal carry weapon has to be just that...very personal...One that you leave at home, for any reason, is worthless if needed when you are out in public, even a .25acp is better than nothing if it is dependable and you will train with it, as well as carry it with you..
Jeepdude1987
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OT I hear that .22lr is a better perpetrator than the .25acp. But, I agree with your concept that any pistol is better than none. And, as far as defensive options go a pistol is just about always going to be preferred over a knife or anything that isn't a firearm. I guess a bow could stop someone better than a micro pistol, assuming you hit in the first shot, but try concealing a Mathews or PSE in your pocket right!
OldTurtle
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Quote:I hear that .22lr is a better perpetrator than the .25acp...That's why my comment placed the .25acp at the bottom of the pile for desirability....I've seen too may 'walk aways' from being shot with the .25...even when it was literally stuck right up against the head...
Squeeze
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Originally Posted By: Jeepdude1987Originally Posted By: Squeeze
Besides the LC9, falls off my list because of that silly
safety. I don't WANT no stinking safety on my personal
defense pistol. Just sayin'Squeeze
I know more than a few folks that would say just the opposite, and most of them are firearms instructors. They would also say that at 350rnds you just started training with your defense pistol. And that muscle memory is what training is for, and a safety on your pistol is something muscle memory will over come.
Jeepdude,
I am a firearms instructor. I am an NRA certified Pistol
Instructor, and a WI state certified Firearms Safety
instructor. And most of the firearms instructors I
work with DO NOT feel a safety is a necessary part of
a Personal Protection pistol. Most actually teach exactly
what I suggested. Safeties are problematic when one's
fine motor skills go south at the moment of attack. In
a simulated panic I see numerous students fail to draw,
before the threat is on them. Fumbling for a safety is
another way to fail to fire before the threat is on you.
We have a great course where we start the shooters out
at 20' from a high speed moving target...It is moving AT
you. The drill is to draw, shout "Stop or I'll Shoot",
and fire while safely backing up, all the while the target
picture of a thug with a gun is flying at you. Numerous
students would get smacked in the face by the target, if the
instructor didn't intercede.
Oh that whole muscle memory thing, is highly over rated
under pressure. I shot a GSSF match this last weekend,
and I thought I had great muscle memory in my trigger finger.
Just under the pressure of the match firing line, my trigger
finger went stupid, and forgot most of what I thought it knew.
I stand by my original statement, "I don't WANT no stinking
safety on my personal defense pistol".
Squeeze
Besides the LC9, falls off my list because of that silly
safety. I don't WANT no stinking safety on my personal
defense pistol. Just sayin'Squeeze
I know more than a few folks that would say just the opposite, and most of them are firearms instructors. They would also say that at 350rnds you just started training with your defense pistol. And that muscle memory is what training is for, and a safety on your pistol is something muscle memory will over come.
Jeepdude,
I am a firearms instructor. I am an NRA certified Pistol
Instructor, and a WI state certified Firearms Safety
instructor. And most of the firearms instructors I
work with DO NOT feel a safety is a necessary part of
a Personal Protection pistol. Most actually teach exactly
what I suggested. Safeties are problematic when one's
fine motor skills go south at the moment of attack. In
a simulated panic I see numerous students fail to draw,
before the threat is on them. Fumbling for a safety is
another way to fail to fire before the threat is on you.
We have a great course where we start the shooters out
at 20' from a high speed moving target...It is moving AT
you. The drill is to draw, shout "Stop or I'll Shoot",
and fire while safely backing up, all the while the target
picture of a thug with a gun is flying at you. Numerous
students would get smacked in the face by the target, if the
instructor didn't intercede.
Oh that whole muscle memory thing, is highly over rated
under pressure. I shot a GSSF match this last weekend,
and I thought I had great muscle memory in my trigger finger.
Just under the pressure of the match firing line, my trigger
finger went stupid, and forgot most of what I thought it knew.
I stand by my original statement, "I don't WANT no stinking
safety on my personal defense pistol".
Squeeze
Squeeze
New member
Originally Posted By: OldTurtleI've found the same thing when shooting competition in the GSSF matches where speed on multiple shots is as important as the accuracy factor.. The same holds true at my retired LEO yearly certifications...My overall scores will drop from 97%+ to the lower 90%s, when using a .40, vs 9mm.. The difference is more noticeable as the distance increases and time requirements remains the same..
OT,
I am re-thinking my choices for CC, as well after shooting
this last GSSF match. I shot four categories with my G30 SF.
I was losing 1-2 seconds to 9mm shooters with the 45 Auto.
It probably would have been worst with a 40 Auto.
I have a G27 for my primary CC gun, and now I am thinking
it should have been a G26. And for GSSF, other than
MajorSub(HvyMetal) category, I am now shopping for a G17, or
maybe a G19, for Civilian, and Competition, categories. I
will probably shoot the G27 for the Subcompact category, and
load soft ammo that just cycles reliably. As for CC, I think
I am going to get a 9mm conversion barrel for the G27, and
see just how much time I am loosing with SD ammo in a timed
SD situation. I wanted a 9mm barrel for the G27 anyway,
to use for a ladies demo pistol in PP classes.
The only kick against the 9mm is on the poppers, on the M
course. Solid 9mm hits just left a black mark, with the
popper still standing...No such problem for the 45.
Squeeze
OT,
I am re-thinking my choices for CC, as well after shooting
this last GSSF match. I shot four categories with my G30 SF.
I was losing 1-2 seconds to 9mm shooters with the 45 Auto.
It probably would have been worst with a 40 Auto.
I have a G27 for my primary CC gun, and now I am thinking
it should have been a G26. And for GSSF, other than
MajorSub(HvyMetal) category, I am now shopping for a G17, or
maybe a G19, for Civilian, and Competition, categories. I
will probably shoot the G27 for the Subcompact category, and
load soft ammo that just cycles reliably. As for CC, I think
I am going to get a 9mm conversion barrel for the G27, and
see just how much time I am loosing with SD ammo in a timed
SD situation. I wanted a 9mm barrel for the G27 anyway,
to use for a ladies demo pistol in PP classes.
The only kick against the 9mm is on the poppers, on the M
course. Solid 9mm hits just left a black mark, with the
popper still standing...No such problem for the 45.
Squeeze
crowpopper
New member
i have a Ruger SR9 full size and LOVE it my buddy has the SR9C and I love that too for compact carry
I would really look at the SR40C it is EASY to break down and Clean and very reliable
I have run a few thousand through my SR9 and It has not failed yet only missfired only once due to cheap wolf ammo
its accurate fun and nice to carry so an all day carry of the Compact has to be even nicer
I would really look at the SR40C it is EASY to break down and Clean and very reliable
I have run a few thousand through my SR9 and It has not failed yet only missfired only once due to cheap wolf ammo
its accurate fun and nice to carry so an all day carry of the Compact has to be even nicer
OldTurtle
Moderator - Deceased
Quote:The only kick against the 9mm is on the poppers, on the M course. Solid 9mm hits just left a black mark, with the
popper still standing...No such problem for the 45...All I can say to that is the sponsoring match range personnel had the poppers on the M course adjusted wrong...
When I worked as a RO at the FL state IPSIC competitions, we had to have all poppers set where a round from a Beretta 92 9mm would take them down with authority...The same standard, but with a G-17, was the practice at the GSSF matches...
I used to shoot Major Sub courses with my G-29 and of course, there was a big difference in the reaction to those rounds, but my time was slower, as well...
popper still standing...No such problem for the 45...All I can say to that is the sponsoring match range personnel had the poppers on the M course adjusted wrong...
When I worked as a RO at the FL state IPSIC competitions, we had to have all poppers set where a round from a Beretta 92 9mm would take them down with authority...The same standard, but with a G-17, was the practice at the GSSF matches...
I used to shoot Major Sub courses with my G-29 and of course, there was a big difference in the reaction to those rounds, but my time was slower, as well...