Diaphragm or Open Reed?

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Open reeds freeze up all the time. Even in the summer. Never had a diaphragm freeze in my mouth. And if it freezes in its little case a few seconds in your mouth and it's good to go. I use open reeds from time to time but they will never be comparable to a diaphragm in realism. That's why they are pretty much extinct at calling competitions.
 
I never have an open reed freeze and i call in -20 plus a wind chill. I have had closed reeds freeze, never an open reed.

But I agree when the diaphram freezes, you can put the frozen call n your mouth to thaw, but I'd rather have the call work when I want it to, not when it finally thaws out. The sound it makes when you check to see if it's thawed isn't great for calling.

As far as being used in a contest, that's a whole other situation. It's hardly ever below freezing in the places they have the contests. They are inside and only need one call at a time. Wait ten or twenty minutes for everyone to get done and then switch calls. Not the same as real hunting/calling.

I have no problem with anyone who wants to use a diaphram call. I just don't like them. I want something that works every time.
 
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Lol, BS! I have dropped mine in the snow, the river, the mud, etc. still used them. Never use a horn while I'm hunting. I use it when I want to, not because I need to. So you in or what?
 
That's exactly what I'm talking about. why would I waste time cleaning snow and mud and cowpie etc. off the call, when I can just have it on a lanyard working for me when I need it.

Like I said, if someone wants to spend their time dinkng around with a diaphram, have at it. I choose not to.

Am I in what?
 
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. why would I waste time cleaning snow and mud and cowpie etc. off the call, when I can just have it on a lanyard working for me when I need it.

Like I said, if someone wants to spend their time dinkng around with a diaphram, have at it. I choose not to.

This is a joke right?? You don't like diaphragm calls because hands down in every way they are more realistic, dependable, and better sounding on stage and in the woods....which is exactly why a certain company can't advertise or post on here....because there is NOBODY on this WHOLE sight that can compete.....PERIOD
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Anyone that says or implies that a diaphragm freezes up just told the rest of us that they either have no idea how they're used or they're full of it and at the same time claim that the open reed swinging from a string around arond their neck, exposed to the elements doesn't. That's ridiculous, how can a diaphragm freeze when it's completely contained in your mouth or in your pocket. Your body heat alone would keep it from freezing. Yet another advantage of using diaphragms. Combine that with their superior realistic sounds & compact size & they are clearly a better choice than any other type of call. That said there will always be a place for the open reeds & their kazoo type sounds for the people that aren't skilled enough or refuse to take the time to learn to use a diaphragm. Those same guys will be the ones who promote the use of open reeds. Those same guys will also claim they can run a diaphragm but I call BS on that. Back up what you say RedFrog & lets hear a sound clip of you running both. Why would anyone opt for an open reed when blown at its best still only sounds like a guy trying to mimic a coyote with a party horn. A diaphragm on the other hand is the only call on the market that doesn't sound like a call. It sounds like the real thing!! Don't dink around trying to learn how to use a diaphragm though. Instead waste your time tooting your little horn.
 
Originally Posted By: bearmanric[beeep] this it gets old

It only gets old to the hand call makers because you/they don't want people to hear the truth when it comes to what's best but the original poster asked just that. The hand call guys don't like getting called out & challenged either because they know they can't back up their claims against the diaphragms. A mediocre diaphragm caller beats the best open reed guy everytime with room to spare. To say how realistic a call sounds only matters to a judges ear on stage & not to a coyotes ears in a hunting situation is ludicrous & a poor attempt by the open reed guys to promote their calls. By that logic the open reed guys are saying that sounding like crap is what's best for hunting. Hahaha!! Why not just admit open reeds don't sound as good but you run one anyway because you can't run a diaphragm instead of trying to justify using an open reed with all the ridiculous BS.
 
I quit posting my calls here . Just tired of you guys talking so much [beeep] about us here. [beeep] you. I will never ever go to the world predator expo as long as you guys are there. I don't push my calls . Rick

You guys are a disgrace to the calling world the way you treat us. Rick
 
And if anyone wants to walk around with a necklace of a half dozen calls banging together around their neck go right ahead. I choose not to. Might as well add a cowbell to that lanyard too. It won't weigh or make anymore noise than the 6 non-freezing cow horns.
 
My goodness Ben Jimmy. Why so tense? Use what ever you want. No need to insult anyone. Why so defensive.

I never said that diaphragm call would freeze in someone's mouth, but it will darn sure freeze up here when you take it out to dig through your pockets to find the case to put it in. and it will freeze in the case as well.
I've never had to keep my open reed calls in the refrigerator to keep them from going moldy, but that seems to be the recommended treatment for diaphragms.

As I've said before in this thread, without insulting anyone. If you like the diaphragm calls and they work for you, great.
I don't like them. Running on about them and challenging me to make a recording won't change my mind. I use what works for me, you use what works for you.
I really don't get why what I use hurts your feelings so bad.
 
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6 open reeds on a lanyard is a lot of extra noise to deal with? And why would one carry 6? One open reed will do the same as another for the most part.Never had a reed stick? Or damaged when it's exposed all the time?
 
When a person uses a call to hunt predators, it is based on personal choice...

Whether it is a diaphragm, a $1200 custom, gold inlayed, ivory, reed call, or a FoxPro Fury, it is how you hunt, and how you use what you are calling with that matters.

If what a person calls with and wants use, or if they want to use all three, that is the hunter's right to choose the tools of his preference.
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Will all three call and enable you to kill predators? You betcha! Without a doubt.

Why is it that what people choose to call predators with has become such a hotbed of controversy? Why is that if someone doesn't use this, or use that, they are ridiculed in open discussion about what they want to call coyotes with? Why is what YOU have the BEST, and not what your neighbor called and killed as many coyotes as you did, not considered "up to par"?

Who chooses what sounds "more realistic"? The hunter? Someone bashing you because what you use is different than what they use? A panel of judges? A coyote or bobcat within earshot?

This 'bashing' and open ridicule, as well as ill informed statements prejudiced by personal preference gets old. HeII, it was old 30 minutes after someone started the first .17 Remington -vs- .223 thread....
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Yet, the clamor to belittle someone for what they shoot, or call with continues. Some of you REALLY need to grow the heII up. Ridicule of someone for what they use to enjoy a common sport just shows how small, an immature some people really are.

As the director of the World Predator Calling Competition, I strive to insure that everyone is treated fairly, and that the competition is held to exemplary standards. Callers from all over the U.S. will compete for the honors, and this year, there will be two classes of callers in the competition. The new class will be those that choose to use only hand blown calls. While they still compete for the overall championship title, both classes of callers will recognized. The competition that started it all, over 50 years ago, is the guiding spirit with which the contest has been reborn with what it is today. I think a bunch of predator hunters and callers can benefit from reading something like this: http://www.rhinocalls.com/Books__Videos_and_Hats.html

The spirit with which the contest is continued today, with no consideration given by judges on WHAT you call with, or what brand of call you use, is the way it will be done. And, if I remember correctly...Last year, and unknown caller handed everyone their azzes by not blowing a call at all, and only using his natural voice... Even the judges didn't know he wasn't blowing a call of any sort.

To expand on the World Predator and Wild Hog Expo's reason for even having the show and competitions is very simple. The Expo strives to insure everyone has a great, time! This is a family oriented event, and even includes a fun, exciting Kid's Calling Competition this year. Keeping the family oriented fun in mind, it has always been the policy of the Expo since it's creation, years ago that the good will and family fun as well as education and displays and booths about firearms, calls, hunting, products, methods, and of course the various competitions, will be the ONLY goal the Expo has. And any disturbance of any sort, caused by anyone on the facility the Expo is held, or at any location connected with events of the Expo, or directed at any individual, group, booth, competitor, or Expo Staff will result in the immediate expulsion of the individual, or individuals responsible, with no refund of fees paid for booth space or entry fees of any sort, as well as removal of any award or title awarded to those individuals found to be responsible for such a disturbance. The Expo remains neutral on any controversy, politics, or pizzing matches.

Leave all that at home, and come relax and enjoy the camaraderie, events, competitions, and food and local flavor the area has to offer!
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So, whether you hunt, or call competitively, call with what you want to call with, and have fun and enjoy yourself while doing it. That is what it's all about.
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~Barry
 
I figured the divided classes was coming. I agree whatever someone uses is their business. We all know this whole thread got directed at one call company.
On another note and this is meant with zero disrespect to anyone as I seen the natural voice calling video and thought it was pretty good. But how can one not place in distress or vocals and win the all around? Or as so eloquently put hand everyone their azzes?
 
Originally Posted By: cawilson82I figured the divided classes was coming. I agree whatever someone uses is their business. We all know this whole thread got directed at one call company.
On another note and this is meant with zero disrespect to anyone as I seen the natural voice calling video and thought it was pretty good. But how can one not place in distress or vocals and win the all around? Or as so eloquently put hand everyone their azzes?

The top callers from combined scores in both the distress and vocalizations were the very ones that competed for the championship. Those that scored below the top callers were eliminated for the finals. How else could they get there to compete for the championship?
 
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On another note and this is meant with zero disrespect to anyone as I seen the natural voice calling video and thought it was pretty good. But how can one not place in distress or vocals and win the all around? Or as so eloquently put hand everyone their azzes?

I think that's what everyone was else was thinking too, cawilson82!!! Hard to say EVERYONE got their azzes handed to them, when the guys Barry is disrespectfully and unprofessionally talking sh*t about on an open forum(while being the contest director with the contest coming up in a few weeks) won all almost every trophy there. Hard to believe a contest coordinator would sit there and bad-mouth a couple guys that aren't even on this site to defend themselves, very unprofessional IMO!! Especially showing such bias, only weeks before the contest. Yeah, that seems real fair! LOL

Heck, if you want to take the contest back to 50 years ago, why don't you just change the name of it to the World Predator Calling Historical Reenactment??? Everyone can get up there in buckskins and cowboy hats, with their lever-action 30-30's and have a historical reenactment! That sounds like where it's heading. Things change, just like guns. You don't see people out there hunting coyotes with muzzleloaders anymore do you??? No, they evolved with the times and are shooting decked out $2000 AR's with thermal scopes and using $600 electronic calls. Just because the mouth/hand call side FINALLY evolved and a better call came out, you got the lazy people who can't or don't won't to take the time to use them using the excuse of "sticking with tradition". That's a bunch of BS and every one of you know it!!

To keep with history, you might as well have a class for blowing on a blade of grass to call in predators like the indians did!! That's how they used to do it and we need to keep up with tradition! LOL

It's sad to see the competition turn into a dang joke! When you run the best caller's off to give a mediocre caller a sense of achievement that they didn't earn, it's a joke! I wish I was skilled enough to be able to call with some of those guys, but I'm not and that's why I practice everyday to get better, if I won it, I wouldn't want it handed to me out of sympathy!

You talk about how the only thing the competition is about is "having fun". To call companies it's more than that. They spend lot's of money developing, testing, and manufacturing calls. Calling competitions, especially ones that hold a WORLD TITLE, are a way for call companies and callers to prove what sounds the best. If it's just for fun, why even keep score. You can do a it like 4 year old tee-ball game and not even keep score and give everyone a "Participation" trophy. You say politics aren't involved, but we can all see what side of the party you're on!
 
I'm not trying to stir anything just curious. The guy that won the world wasn't even in the top three in either division so how does he advance to the championship? Like I said no disrespect to Matt at all I thought he sounded pretty good. That would be like someone who didn't qualify in the top 15 in any event winning the all around cowboy title. I've never been to a calling competition so I don't know how they are ran but I think in the past the world champion had at least placed in both divisions. Just wonder how that's all tallied.
 
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