Do coyotes really kill calves? HONESTLY?

if you look at a stupid sheep just right they will fall over dead. about the dumbest animals on the earth. they are much like a liberal democrat. no wonder coyotes like them. to bad coyotes have not got a good taste of liberal.
 
no love lost from me over sheep in fact I often hope the coyotes snack on them. I can't tell you how many times they ruin big game hunting for me. Never fails for some reason the sheep herder picks the exact area I am trying to hunt to run his sheep on. doesn't matter that there are easier areas for them to graze with alot more feed in other areas near by. Deer and elk HATE SHEEP, we call them mountain maggots. in any event don't plan on hunting any area near sheep everything is blown out of there.

the sheep herders drive the most decrepit old vehicles and look like they haven't bathed in months potentially years. I can't imagine the profession being very profitable. The guys running the sheep on the mountain often don't bring any feed for the sheep dogs and they wonder into our camp tearing into stuff. Don't get me started on sheep. the only good sheep is one thats been eaten by a coyote.
 
I'm not sure I've ever been bitten by a spider. Maybe, but I've never actually seen one bite me. I don't believe most spiders in ny home do any harm, in fact they gotta eat bugs so they're probably beneficial. But I still squish every single spider I find in my house because I just don't want spiders in my house.

Most ranchers I've talked to feel the same way about coyotes- they want every single one of them dead.
 
once had a rancher tell me i could kill all the prairie dogs i wanted to on his place. he said he would not want me killing the coyotes around his place. said they dont bother anything on his place and they kill the prairie dogs for him too.
 
I know several farmers that that have a personal do not kill list. For some it is no coyotes, badgers or squirrels.
Some say we don't kill what we don't eat.
Their neighbors always know when they go on vacation.
 
Originally Posted By: CaliCoyoteCallerOriginally Posted By: steve garrettI think a lot gets blamed on coyotes. The fact is many of these animals die of natural causes. Then the coyotes feed on the dead body. The carcus looks all tore up from coyotes but the damage occurred after it was dead.

I AGREE 100%. I think the coyote gets blamed for a lot of things he didnt do....maybe he is there cleaning up a dead calf and somebody sees him, and says, "Coyotes killed that calf."

Yes, large calves do get killed by coyotes, but it is not everyday that coyotes kill 500lb steers in the pasture.

Sheep are a different story. Personal experience shows sheep get hammered harder by yotes than cattle do.

Most all Ranchers know that coyotes rarely or don't kill 500lb steers, or heifers either, for that matter. Most of the time they are already paired out to pasture and some of your only worries are Pasteurella and grass tetany. We are concerned with newborns, when they are vulnerable, when the predator will and does take advantage of the helpless.

Sure Coyotes get blamed for a lot of things, some of which they don't do, but most of which each is capable of. Therefor when one or two are killers, we tend not to sort through the local coyote population trying to pick that or those coyotes out, we find them at the end of the week under the pile of fur we've pounded. The resilience of the animal allows us to cull over 70% without damaging the population.
 
I agree 100% Skinney. Too hard to try and sort them out, no need to even try. And don't I don't wait for the problem to start happening either. I know every January I need to start hitting them hard around several certain sets of calving pens, because they become problematic every year.
 
Originally Posted By: steve garrettno love lost from me over sheep in fact I often hope the coyotes snack on them. I can't tell you how many times they ruin big game hunting for me. Never fails for some reason the sheep herder picks the exact area I am trying to hunt to run his sheep on. doesn't matter that there are easier areas for them to graze with alot more feed in other areas near by. Deer and elk HATE SHEEP, we call them mountain maggots. in any event don't plan on hunting any area near sheep everything is blown out of there.

the sheep herders drive the most decrepit old vehicles and look like they haven't bathed in months potentially years. I can't imagine the profession being very profitable. The guys running the sheep on the mountain often don't bring any feed for the sheep dogs and they wonder into our camp tearing into stuff. Don't get me started on sheep. the only good sheep is one thats been eaten by a coyote.

Really????
 
Originally Posted By: steve garrett

the sheep herders drive the most decrepit old vehicles and look like they haven't bathed in months potentially years. I can't imagine the profession being very profitable. The guys running the sheep on the mountain often don't bring any feed for the sheep dogs and they wonder into our camp tearing into stuff. Don't get me started on sheep. the only good sheep is one thats been eaten by a coyote.

This is a very stereotypical mindset. I've actually grew up with Sheep growers, and over the past year, had the pleasure of working with the SD Sheep growers president, and I can assure you, from what I've seen and been around, they are not in any way, shape or form like the description above.
 
Originally Posted By: skinneyOriginally Posted By: steve garrett

the sheep herders drive the most decrepit old vehicles and look like they haven't bathed in months potentially years. I can't imagine the profession being very profitable. The guys running the sheep on the mountain often don't bring any feed for the sheep dogs and they wonder into our camp tearing into stuff. Don't get me started on sheep. the only good sheep is one thats been eaten by a coyote.

This is a very stereotypical mindset. I've actually grew up with Sheep growers, and over the past year, had the pleasure of working with the SD Sheep growers president, and I can assure you, from what I've seen and been around, they are not in any way, shape or form like the description above.

My experience with Ranchers who run sheep has also indicated that the description above is false.
 
Originally Posted By: DoubleCKOriginally Posted By: skinneyOriginally Posted By: steve garrett

the sheep herders drive the most decrepit old vehicles and look like they haven't bathed in months potentially years. I can't imagine the profession being very profitable. The guys running the sheep on the mountain often don't bring any feed for the sheep dogs and they wonder into our camp tearing into stuff. Don't get me started on sheep. the only good sheep is one thats been eaten by a coyote.

This is a very stereotypical mindset. I've actually grew up with Sheep growers, and over the past year, had the pleasure of working with the SD Sheep growers president, and I can assure you, from what I've seen and been around, they are not in any way, shape or form like the description above.

My experience with Ranchers who run sheep has also indicated that the description above is false.

he is not talking about the ranchers or owners of the sheep. he is talking about the herders that go up and actually live with the sheep in the mountains during the summer months. most of the time these areas in the mountains are fairly remote and miles and miles from any modern facilities.

i have come across these herders up in the mountains and have talked to them when they can speak and understand English. which most can not. they are for the most part as steve garret described.
 
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
he is not talking about the ranchers or owners of the sheep. he is talking about the herders that go up and actually live with the sheep in the mountains during the summer months. most of the time these areas in the mountains are fairly remote and miles and miles from any modern facilities.

i have come across these herders up in the mountains and have talked to them when they can speak and understand English. which most can not. they are for the most part as steve garret described.

If that is the case, I stand corrected, as I have never come in contact nor am I familiar with such "herders"
 
One of my highschool buddies whose lands I hunt called last night and said a sick calf had gotten out into a pond and he couldn't get it, so he went to get some stuff. Said when he returned it had been drug out and six coyotes were feeding on it. I've killed two on that farm but its been awhile. Always nice to have a sense of purpose albeit for the wrong reasons.
 
Originally Posted By: jf1073One of my highschool buddies whose lands I hunt called last night and said a sick calf had gotten out into a pond and he couldn't get it, so he went to get some stuff. Said when he returned it had been drug out and six coyotes were feeding on it. I've killed two on that farm but its been awhile. Always nice to have a sense of purpose albeit for the wrong reasons.

Sounds like you better get out there...you got work to do!
 
Having worked with a bunch of cattle and sheep ranchers the comments I hear from the cattlemen is that the coyotes were often looking for the "afterbirth" but none had knowingly lost a calf to a coyote due to mama always nearby, although I suppose if mama is injured or for reason the two get separated then the calf could be in jeopardy. Now the sheep ranchers did complain of killed animals but those with some good guard dogs living out with sheep have either driven off the coyotes or outright killed them as usually more than one dog would attack the coyote.
 
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We run roughly 80 head of cattle and to my knowledge we haven't lost a calf due to a coyote attack. Usually we lose them to sickness, but that is a rare occasion. I have heard of a cow stomping its calf to death fending off a coyote/dog. Our neighbor has lost cattle to wild dogs that people abandon. He says that a wild dog is a lot more aggressive then a coyote when they go after cattle.

That's just my 10 cents.
 
Originally Posted By: ArizonahunterHaving worked with a bunch of cattle and sheep ranchers the comments I hear from the cattlemen is that the coyotes were often looking for the "afterbirth" but none had knowingly lost a calf to a coyote due to mama always nearby, although I suppose if mama is injured or for reason the two get separated then the calf could be in jeopardy. Now the sheep ranchers did complain of killed animals but those with some good guard dogs living out with sheep have either driven off the coyotes or outright killed them as usually more than one dog would attack the coyote. Up in Utah where I spend my summers to escape the Vegas heat, I run into quite a bit of sheep herders, I have never owned a trained "hunt" dog, but I do have a 4 yr old Weimaraner which weighs a bout 85 lbs. but he's pretty much dumb as a door knob! (Don't get me wrong, love him to death) And have been "doggin" a few times with buddies who raise, train and run their dogs, and It's great to see how these dogs work...but seeing the sheep dogs work, well that's just amazing how they work together to keep the sheep in order. Spoke once with a herder and he told me that his sheep dogs would do just about anything to protect the herd. (Including killing any predators that came in looking for easy pickins)....
 
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