I live in North Georgia, and hunt poultry farms and cattle farms. This year,, so far,,, 7 calves on one farm in 2 months. Youngest around 3 weeks,, oldest around 5. These were not new born. Another farm had 2 eaten this drop, and we think 2 more eaten at another farm. Don't know that they were not born dead. Yes,,,, coyotes eat cattle and calves. (4 coyotes shot)
Do coyotes really kill calves? HONESTLY?
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CaliCoyoteCaller
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I spoke with 2 ranchers today that run several thousand acres...both of which told me the same thing, "We dont really have any trouble with the coyotes, but we will keep your number in case we do. Thanks."............
Two things.....
1) Its VERY HARD to gain permission on private ground in Cali
2) Some guys have trouble with yotes and some dont...no doubt yotes kill calves, but not everybody hates them.
Two things.....
1) Its VERY HARD to gain permission on private ground in Cali
2) Some guys have trouble with yotes and some dont...no doubt yotes kill calves, but not everybody hates them.
Yes. I ranched both sheep and cattle in Wyoming and grew up on my father's sheep and cattle ranch.
In areas not snow bound, coyotes will attack a cow giving birth, usually when they are having a hard, prolonged birth and eat the calf before it is fully born or as soon as it drops. They are especially bad for first time calvers as they scare the heifer away from the new born calf as it hasn't learned to protect their calf yet. They will also attack cows with prolapsed uterus.
In county where the cow get snow bound, they will attack a cow when it is stuck in the snow. Not common but I saw several cases in Wyoming where this happened.
Sheep...now that is another story. They are much smaller and easier for coyotes to kill. Lambs in the spring are especially vulnerable.
In areas not snow bound, coyotes will attack a cow giving birth, usually when they are having a hard, prolonged birth and eat the calf before it is fully born or as soon as it drops. They are especially bad for first time calvers as they scare the heifer away from the new born calf as it hasn't learned to protect their calf yet. They will also attack cows with prolapsed uterus.
In county where the cow get snow bound, they will attack a cow when it is stuck in the snow. Not common but I saw several cases in Wyoming where this happened.
Sheep...now that is another story. They are much smaller and easier for coyotes to kill. Lambs in the spring are especially vulnerable.
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Powerfisher
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Stop feeding the troll.....
Dropadoglv
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Originally Posted By: JeepyjerOriginally Posted By: PowerfisherStop feeding the troll.....
Who is the troll ??
I was thinking the same....hope it's not me??.....lol
Who is the troll ??
I was thinking the same....hope it's not me??.....lol
Had a farmer I got permission from to hunt he has lost 4 this year and the farmer across the road said he lost 2 last year. Went out that night and eliminated one at least. Have killed 8 in the last 4 months in one area. 7 from about 70 yds. behind an individuals farm house and buildings that is not far from this area.
FairChase93
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I have ranching blood on both sides of my family and grew up around it. I can tell you the it is a 100% fact that coyotes kill calves all the time. I would say probably 90% of the time its actually momma that kills the calf trying to protect it but still the coyote is the cause. Now is that a needed justification? No, but it is the way things work.
FairChase93
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Originally Posted By: CaliCoyoteCallerI spoke with 2 ranchers today that run several thousand acres...both of which told me the same thing, "We dont really have any trouble with the coyotes, but we will keep your number in case we do. Thanks."............
Two things.....
1) Its VERY HARD to gain permission on private ground in Cali
2) Some guys have trouble with yotes and some dont...no doubt yotes kill calves, but not everybody hates them.
In other words that was their way of politely telling you no, you cant hunt here.
Two things.....
1) Its VERY HARD to gain permission on private ground in Cali
2) Some guys have trouble with yotes and some dont...no doubt yotes kill calves, but not everybody hates them.
In other words that was their way of politely telling you no, you cant hunt here.
In AZ. we helped gather cows, our pastor is a shore nuff cowboy. If we had not got the cows and calves up by the third week of Feb, between the lions and coyotes, 40% of the calf crop was lost.
I had riding mules. Some of these cows would get up in the roughest, rockiest terrain you can imagine to protect their calf. The cowboys did not want to use their very best quarter horses up in those rough rocks.
Later on, we got invited back with dogs to hunt the lions, then later deer hunt....as long as I had my mules along for them to ride.
A good friend that has been trapping for nearly 50 years explained to me that coyotes teach each other, and also some coyotes will specialize in different kinds of hunting. Some are great at mousing, others catching rabbits. When one gets good at catching deer fawns or calves, a ranch or farm can be in trouble. Not all coyotes like to hunt everything, just like humans have different talents, so does the coyote.
Around my neck of the woods, they are really rough on goats, turkeys, and take out a huge portion of the deer fawn crop every year. The wild life dept put a camera by a coyote den and 22 fawns were brought to the den in one year. Deer herds are way down here, which really makes the insurance company very happy, and money they are slipping in the back pockets of legislators is paying off in how they protect the coyotes here in this state.
Here in this state, if some were loosing calves due to coyotes, then they still would not let you hunt because of a lack of trust in wondering what you might be up to by having access to their property.
I had riding mules. Some of these cows would get up in the roughest, rockiest terrain you can imagine to protect their calf. The cowboys did not want to use their very best quarter horses up in those rough rocks.
Later on, we got invited back with dogs to hunt the lions, then later deer hunt....as long as I had my mules along for them to ride.
A good friend that has been trapping for nearly 50 years explained to me that coyotes teach each other, and also some coyotes will specialize in different kinds of hunting. Some are great at mousing, others catching rabbits. When one gets good at catching deer fawns or calves, a ranch or farm can be in trouble. Not all coyotes like to hunt everything, just like humans have different talents, so does the coyote.
Around my neck of the woods, they are really rough on goats, turkeys, and take out a huge portion of the deer fawn crop every year. The wild life dept put a camera by a coyote den and 22 fawns were brought to the den in one year. Deer herds are way down here, which really makes the insurance company very happy, and money they are slipping in the back pockets of legislators is paying off in how they protect the coyotes here in this state.
Here in this state, if some were loosing calves due to coyotes, then they still would not let you hunt because of a lack of trust in wondering what you might be up to by having access to their property.
Phil Boyles
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A lot of good info here. We are struggling with mountain lions here in Missouri. They have been seen and photographed, calves are missing.
skinney
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Originally Posted By: ackleyman
Here in this state, if some were loosing calves due to coyotes, then they still would not let you hunt because of a lack of trust in wondering what you might be up to by having access to their property.
I know a lot of guys like this. Landowners consider their land, like most do their backyard, and most don't just let anyone in their backyard.
When you own, care for, pay taxes, up keep, develop, etc. the land you own, and have 1000's if not hundreds of thousands invested in it, why would you let someone you don't know on it. Not to mention the liability issue in this day and age.
Build a relationship, go put in a few miles of fence in exchange for some hunting rights, drive the grain cart for a few thousand bushels, help work a few hundred head of cattle, it'll help.
Here in this state, if some were loosing calves due to coyotes, then they still would not let you hunt because of a lack of trust in wondering what you might be up to by having access to their property.
I know a lot of guys like this. Landowners consider their land, like most do their backyard, and most don't just let anyone in their backyard.
When you own, care for, pay taxes, up keep, develop, etc. the land you own, and have 1000's if not hundreds of thousands invested in it, why would you let someone you don't know on it. Not to mention the liability issue in this day and age.
Build a relationship, go put in a few miles of fence in exchange for some hunting rights, drive the grain cart for a few thousand bushels, help work a few hundred head of cattle, it'll help.
SlickerThanSnot
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Originally Posted By: skinneyNot to mention the liability issue in this day and age.
Build a relationship, go put in a few miles of fence in exchange for some hunting rights, drive the grain cart for a few thousand bushels, help work a few hundred head of cattle, it'll help.
that all sounds good, but if we are talking liability issues, there is liability issues doing any of those things also. probably more so than any hunting situation.
if a guy does not want you hunting his land, he probably dam sure does not want you operating his expensive equipment or being in the way when they are working cattle.
Build a relationship, go put in a few miles of fence in exchange for some hunting rights, drive the grain cart for a few thousand bushels, help work a few hundred head of cattle, it'll help.
that all sounds good, but if we are talking liability issues, there is liability issues doing any of those things also. probably more so than any hunting situation.
if a guy does not want you hunting his land, he probably dam sure does not want you operating his expensive equipment or being in the way when they are working cattle.
skinney
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Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotOriginally Posted By: skinneyNot to mention the liability issue in this day and age.
Build a relationship, go put in a few miles of fence in exchange for some hunting rights, drive the grain cart for a few thousand bushels, help work a few hundred head of cattle, it'll help.
that all sounds good, but if we are talking liability issues, there is liability issues doing any of those things also. probably more so than any hunting situation.
if a guy does not want you hunting his land, he probably dam sure does not want you operating his expensive equipment or being in the way when they are working cattle.
Not necessarily... Post hole diggers are only about 50.00, running a hot shot aka cattle prod is about the same price, not a whole lot of labor or being in the way while keeping them going down the alley way. Tractors are different I admit, but your missing the point, build a relationship aka "trust". Everyone wants, wants, wants, now, now, now, especially when it comes to hunting...
Start early, maybe you'll be able to leave late.
Build a relationship, go put in a few miles of fence in exchange for some hunting rights, drive the grain cart for a few thousand bushels, help work a few hundred head of cattle, it'll help.
that all sounds good, but if we are talking liability issues, there is liability issues doing any of those things also. probably more so than any hunting situation.
if a guy does not want you hunting his land, he probably dam sure does not want you operating his expensive equipment or being in the way when they are working cattle.
Not necessarily... Post hole diggers are only about 50.00, running a hot shot aka cattle prod is about the same price, not a whole lot of labor or being in the way while keeping them going down the alley way. Tractors are different I admit, but your missing the point, build a relationship aka "trust". Everyone wants, wants, wants, now, now, now, especially when it comes to hunting...
Start early, maybe you'll be able to leave late.
FairChase93
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The liability issue is a big one, I know of one individual who had a hunter twist his ankle stepping in a hole. The hunter wanted the land owner to pay the medical bills because you know it was "the lands fault", a few meetings with lawyers later he did in fact pay the bills and will never again let someone hunt his place. Now say the same guy was out helping him fix fence his general liability very well may cover his [beeep].
Jeepyjer
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I have been working on a old D-6 cat 9u for a rancher. The cat was parked in the hills for 15 years me and a buddy got the pony started then managed to start the motor to my surprise !! It sill took months to get it going and serviced up and running smooth.
I text the owner and asked if I could do some coyote hunting he said sure.He then thanked me for getting the d-6 going.....I said No! thank you...
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So you guys don't think I am full of crap here is a picture lol
I text the owner and asked if I could do some coyote hunting he said sure.He then thanked me for getting the d-6 going.....I said No! thank you...
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So you guys don't think I am full of crap here is a picture lol
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Originally Posted By: CknightWe run roughly 80 head of cattle and to my knowledge we haven't lost a calf due to a coyote attack. Usually we lose them to sickness, but that is a rare occasion. I have heard of a cow stomping its calf to death fending off a coyote/dog. Our neighbor has lost cattle to wild dogs that people abandon. He says that a wild dog is a lot more aggressive then a coyote when they go after cattle.
That's just my 10 cents.
What happens when mom has to go in and get a drink. Generally a day or two old calf is left bedded. If a coyote comes by, that calf WILL be in trouble. We arent talking about several well old calves being eaten here. It will generally happen during the birthing process to a couple of days old.
That's just my 10 cents.
What happens when mom has to go in and get a drink. Generally a day or two old calf is left bedded. If a coyote comes by, that calf WILL be in trouble. We arent talking about several well old calves being eaten here. It will generally happen during the birthing process to a couple of days old.
CaliCoyoteCaller
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My buddy was out on one of his ranches calling coyotes...he came over a hill, and saw a cow standing over the top of her calf, and 2 coyotes circling trying to get the new born calf.....he could not shoot cause there was cows all around so he drove his quad down there and scared them off....the little buggers wanted that new calf meat and were pretty bold.